2016 Postmortem

restorefreedom

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55. every effort by every candidate helps

Sun Aug 16, 2015, 01:45 PM

Aug 2015

but as this primary goes forward, we each have to decide which candidate is likely to do the most good for the people who need the most help.

imo that person is bernie.

doesn't have to take away from the progress others have made.

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Hillary good for white Feminism, bad for racial Justice [View all] azmom Aug 2015 OP

Are you kidding? We saw the treatment of BLM by Bernie in Seattle, he talked over them in NN. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #1

The issues are what are important to me. azmom Aug 2015 #2

The treatment? TM99 Aug 2015 #5

+1. nt restorefreedom Aug 2015 #25

Hillary's first job was working for poor black Children: She could have been very rich lewebley3 Aug 2015 #76

Uh... Hillary IS very rich. 1monster Aug 2015 #82

LOL jfern Aug 2015 #118

"If I hear ONE MORE TIME that Hillary helped poor black children... SMC22307 Aug 2015 #93

Sorry, but its the the truth: Inconvient truth one for you: but the Truth! lewebley3 Aug 2015 #133

All unemployment was down to single digits... SMC22307 Aug 2015 #134

The Clinton's didn't put any one jail: People were convicted of crimes! lewebley3 Aug 2015 #138

Yes, she did work for TM99 Aug 2015 #114

flat out false, but what does that have to do with the points made in the article? cali Aug 2015 #8

Bernie didn't talk over BLM at NN? DanTex Aug 2015 #14

he was the invited speaker restorefreedom Aug 2015 #27

Yes, he was. And he also talked over them. DanTex Aug 2015 #38

how can the invited speaker restorefreedom Aug 2015 #62

It's not a question of being accused. It's a simple fact. He spoke over them. DanTex Aug 2015 #68

he was the speaker. they interrupted him restorefreedom Aug 2015 #84

Here is Bill Clinton, candidate in 1992 being interrupted by AIDS activists. Compare with Bernie at Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #122

Weird AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #63

No he did not. Picking Dem Aug 2015 #83

Not true. tblue Aug 2015 #9

Where do you come up with this sturff? Live and Learn Aug 2015 #20

Here: Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #41

Wow, you found one other person that agrees with you in an editorial. Live and Learn Aug 2015 #45

Here's more Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #52

So your premise is that he attempted to speak over those that spoke over him when it was Live and Learn Aug 2015 #61

Okay, that was Netroots. Unknown Beatle Aug 2015 #99

Not even a decent try. He didn't "treat" them in Seattle. It wasn't his "rally". rhett o rick Aug 2015 #23

It's on video. Specifically, please explain how Bernie treat BLM in Seattle. Zorra Aug 2015 #33

Yes, Bernie was such a meanie. What a joke. Vattel Aug 2015 #66

I must have watched an alternate reality version of what happened at NN. valerief Aug 2015 #77

See post #52 Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #81

Which shows that Bernie did not shout over them or speak over them Picking Dem Aug 2015 #85

Duh.... asshats tried to talk over him! pocoloco Aug 2015 #80

Hillary partisans just won't move on jfern Aug 2015 #117

No he didn't. Autumn Aug 2015 #137

Another Latina here supports Bernie and O'Malley second. Cleita Aug 2015 #3

What's missing from this article is: SonderWoman Aug 2015 #4

She voted to freedom-bomb women in Iraq. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #43

And Bernie voted for 32,000 gun deaths a year. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #44

She's pro cluster-bombing civilians. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #47

Yeah okay. That's like saying she's pro-abortion. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #79

.... ? Er WHUT? sibelian Aug 2015 #116

sanders voted to freedom-bomb kosovo women. there is a difference? seabeyond Aug 2015 #56

He's not a dove jfern Aug 2015 #119

no. he is not a dove. so we can stop pretending. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #123

She made a decision about the use of military force. cheapdate Aug 2015 #58

To kill the people raping and murdering women and children. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #89

More innocent women and children died as a result Unknown Beatle Aug 2015 #103

as happens in any war. as happened with the wars and conflict sanders supported. seabeyond Aug 2015 #112

Untrue Picking Dem Aug 2015 #87

You mean the 3 places where woman are being raped and murdered? SonderWoman Aug 2015 #88

Sure, let's add all of Asia to that.. Picking Dem Aug 2015 #91

ha. this is interesting. talk about divide and conquer. make it a battle between POC and women, seabeyond Aug 2015 #6

so ALL white men are like that? cali Aug 2015 #11

so... where do you see ALL? seabeyond Aug 2015 #15

It's about understanding that POC women have azmom Aug 2015 #22

true. yes. absolutely. as i said. i will have to read, but i do not have time. seabeyond Aug 2015 #28

Which Steinam has always understood: sufrommich Aug 2015 #29

Nice. Sounds like she understands. azmom Aug 2015 #39

That was not the argument made by Steinam for why she sufrommich Aug 2015 #7

you mean not only do i get to dissect this subject, it was presented falsely, too. that adds another seabeyond Aug 2015 #13

Thank you for that. I'm not as well acquainted with her work azmom Aug 2015 #26

She is awesome. nt sufrommich Aug 2015 #30

My daughter was accepted to Wellesley and azmom Aug 2015 #37

Wow,congratulations! sufrommich Aug 2015 #42

So very proud. She and her friends azmom Aug 2015 #48

So-YET ANOTHER OP that misrepresents the substance of an issue. Good grief, this is getting absurd! MADem Aug 2015 #70

leave it to steinem to make everything about sexism restorefreedom Aug 2015 #10

hush steinem, it is not about you!. really? seabeyond Aug 2015 #17

That's exactly right. As a latina, I can appreciate azmom Aug 2015 #21

and for many of us white people, restorefreedom Aug 2015 #24

As do I, all of us are getting screwed by azmom Aug 2015 #32

i think that is why we are seeing restorefreedom Aug 2015 #57

And they are hoping both sides get azmom Aug 2015 #60

pragmatic in quotes restorefreedom Aug 2015 #86

and it certianly helps when a white woman listens for four decades, around the world. bottonline seabeyond Aug 2015 #35

every effort by every candidate helps restorefreedom Aug 2015 #55

i agree totally with your post especially this... seabeyond Aug 2015 #95

agreed on all restorefreedom Aug 2015 #101

we can high five here. sigh... that always works for me. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #102

yup or restorefreedom Aug 2015 #104

or.... seabeyond Aug 2015 #106

very nice. restorefreedom Aug 2015 #108

As a Latina, I'm very aware and appreciate Hillary's deep history with Latinos lunamagica Aug 2015 #49

Yes, she does. But, we are going to give it azmom Aug 2015 #50

We? Who is we? lunamagica Aug 2015 #51

Me and everyone else that azmom Aug 2015 #53

I'd rather not share my personal history here. I'll just say that for personal reasons immigration lunamagica Aug 2015 #64

I understand. If she wins the primary, I will azmom Aug 2015 #65

Same here with Bernie lunamagica Aug 2015 #75

You beat me to this...here in Florida, Hillary is appreciated with immigrants and minorities! Sancho Aug 2015 #74

Steinem's reasoning is termed "misery poker": not only does each group end up reducing MisterP Aug 2015 #31

never heard that term before restorefreedom Aug 2015 #59

Me too artislife Aug 2015 #12

i never did meet the pumas. i was supporting obama, and really didnt have the time or desire. seabeyond Aug 2015 #18

I supported Obama enthusiastically artislife Aug 2015 #36

are you talking du in 2008? because it shows you just registered Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:17 PM seabeyond Aug 2015 #46

No, I didn't post here artislife Aug 2015 #67

oh... nothing stats clinton at center right. nothing. and clinton is not my candidate seabeyond Aug 2015 #100

They're long gone artislife Aug 2015 #107

Ahhh. Bummer. And thanks... Nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #109

my problem with her is her lack of consistency on issue after issue. cali Aug 2015 #16

i have not seen this lack of consistency any more than i bought into the kerry flip floppin' seabeyond Aug 2015 #19

voted for the IWR, supported the war and her vote for many years. was strongly cali Aug 2015 #34

you certainly paint it all in the most extreme. but no. i hold no one to making decisions seabeyond Aug 2015 #40

Has she shifted her views on the azmom Aug 2015 #54

i am not sure. i probably know more about sanders, seeing as i was gonna support him so had to do seabeyond Aug 2015 #94

Hillary 2016----Because you don't want things to change artislife Aug 2015 #69

more like: bernie- because he supports what's right regardless of whether it's politically cali Aug 2015 #71

YES!!! artislife Aug 2015 #72

Oh dear ibegurpard Aug 2015 #73

Millions of women, girls around the world whose lives have been destroyed by US bombs Catherina Aug 2015 #78

Great read, thank you azmom Aug 2015 #110

same for race--are the Garifuna not black? are actual Africans fleeing to Lampedusa not black? MisterP Aug 2015 #113

This is why I don't understand BLM sparing Hillary daredtowork Aug 2015 #90

Short answer: no.[n/t] Maedhros Aug 2015 #92

corporate-themed white feminism Truprogressive85 Aug 2015 #96

Hillary knows she is absolutely unable to take AA votes for granted ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #97

she listens. that is her greatest strength and has proven over the years. she listens. seabeyond Aug 2015 #105

She listens to Wall Street, the Multinationals, and the MIC, any one else gets an audience TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #132

eye sight differs.... seabeyond Aug 2015 #135

Let the truth be told:posts #49 #74 and # 78. oasis Aug 2015 #98

This is a bad sign for the party RandySF Aug 2015 #111

Consider the source.. it's means nothing for our party. We're not dividing anyone. Cha Aug 2015 #120

Hillary is the choice of feminists that reject intersectionality as an intrinsic primary concern. Chan790 Aug 2015 #115

Excellent post. I think this is it, exactly. nt Romulox Aug 2015 #121

clinton has stood up for, advocated for, protected women and girls around the world of all color seabeyond Aug 2015 #124

You misunderstand. Chan790 Aug 2015 #125

supporting Clinton says something about her mainstream non-intersectional feminist supporters. seabeyond Aug 2015 #126

how about if a feminist or woman, supports clinton because of credential and not as a woman or seabeyond Aug 2015 #127

Hillary seems to be more worried about the 1% of women who are frozen out of the CEO's office Maedhros Aug 2015 #128

Well said. nt Zorra Aug 2015 #130

How is finding "common ground" on abortion, "good for white Feminism"? ieoeja Aug 2015 #129

Using the gender issue, it's election time, so we can expect that. Still waiting to see them DO sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #131

"And as for Steinem, I never 'got' her at all." lmAo, i am so sure, explains lots. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #136