2016 Postmortem

hootinholler

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165. That's ok

Mon Aug 17, 2015, 06:23 AM

Aug 2015

Bernie is like science, you don't have to believe it for it to work.

Don't lecture me on the REAL grassroots. What you describe is machine politics and your true scotsman attitude is part of the problem.

The times they are a changing.

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So what happens when president Sanders [View all] Andy823 Aug 2015 OP

I wouldn't want to be here when... SonderWoman Aug 2015 #1

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2015 #90

Republicans will do this to every candidate. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2015 #2

Great point. 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #7

Johnson got some shit done, pocoloco Aug 2015 #119

I'm hoping some of that accent comes with JackInGreen Aug 2015 #145

Once they'd assassinated the POTUS that was going to dismantle the CIA 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #163

He had a democratic house. It is easier if you have the house yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #168

Yes they will do it to whoever wins Andy823 Aug 2015 #9

In other words, it's a lame-ass attempt at playing "Gotcha" n/t arcane1 Aug 2015 #12

it is reality. most of us are pragmatic that we get it is reality and we will not be devestated seabeyond Aug 2015 #18

No, this is a "Won't some of you DUers look stupid when this happens" post. arcane1 Aug 2015 #41

i do not think so. again, we did that with obama. sanders is setting himself up more. seabeyond Aug 2015 #47

no it is an excellent gotcha treestar Aug 2015 #194

I'll play. tazkcmo Aug 2015 #43

The people who elect the current House dsc Aug 2015 #48

ah, the revolution. i see. this is interesting. thanks for spelling it out. seabeyond Aug 2015 #51

'revolution' enid602 Aug 2015 #83

i was told by administration when we came over on du3 to have faith in my fellow duers. lol seabeyond Aug 2015 #87

I don't know what Hillary will do Andy823 Aug 2015 #62

they reality is, these repugs are still getting elected so there is no threat to them. they have seabeyond Aug 2015 #63

I've answered the question. tazkcmo Aug 2015 #79

Because I don't know Andy823 Aug 2015 #129

BINGO swilton Aug 2015 #123

Educate them all you want Andy823 Aug 2015 #130

Obama said much the same thing and was zinged by the right and left for it. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2015 #153

+1 nt Live and Learn Aug 2015 #156

true. so sanders an independent, not a liberal. is he going to help congress ride his skirt into seabeyond Aug 2015 #17

he intends to win the House and Senate virtualobserver Aug 2015 #3

+10 - I think it's called 'Coat-tails' last I checked nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #4

the DNC has conceded the House until 2022 virtualobserver Aug 2015 #8

Wasserman Schultz and the DNC - pffft! Divernan Aug 2015 #103

pffft... sheshe2 Aug 2015 #124

Or like Talib Kweli, who refuses to vote in any years. SMC22307 Aug 2015 #146

He has actually changed on that a bit Senator Tankerbell Aug 2015 #159

Perhaps someone should update it. (n/t) SMC22307 Aug 2015 #162

Well, once Debbie Downer is gone Spirochete Aug 2015 #183

No way do we take back the House Andy823 Aug 2015 #11

more Democrats vote during Presidential elections...... virtualobserver Aug 2015 #16

I bet you $10,000 that President Sanders does not start negotating with with the GOP's last offer. Vincardog Aug 2015 #118

That's the first thing that came to mind -- negotiation starting point. SMC22307 Aug 2015 #148

Another winner! swilton Aug 2015 #126

really? lol. kinda like he promises 15 and hour nationally and free college and single payer???? seabeyond Aug 2015 #19

yes, exactly like that virtualobserver Aug 2015 #22

o.k. seabeyond Aug 2015 #30

Has he promised ponies yet? I WILL drop Hillary IF every American gets a pony. Metric System Aug 2015 #77

NO pony for me thank you. i do not want to spend on the feed nor clean up after. see.... here is seabeyond Aug 2015 #88

But these are special unicorn winged ponies LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #114

well. that.... i do want one of those. they fly, right? cause i want to fly, too. seabeyond Aug 2015 #116

Ah, man ... Cosmocat Aug 2015 #188

not really, it is kind of all or nothing virtualobserver Aug 2015 #189

I don't agree Cosmocat Aug 2015 #196

We will have to agree to disagree virtualobserver Aug 2015 #198

He has no power over that. treestar Aug 2015 #192

you only get coattails if you ask for them virtualobserver Aug 2015 #200

He is going to be lucky Cosmocat Aug 2015 #197

That's why I support Governor O'Malley, Andy; elleng Aug 2015 #5

What compromises are there to be had with this congress? ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2015 #13

So how does Bernie, or any other candidate Andy823 Aug 2015 #31

omalley absolutely. this is where i think both omalley and clinton will excel and omalley seabeyond Aug 2015 #21

I definitely think 'more so,' seabeyond! elleng Aug 2015 #40

she has her in's. but he has the character and experience that gives him seabeyond Aug 2015 #53

I absolutely agree, seabeyond. elleng Aug 2015 #57

We've compromised our way into this mess..... JeffHead Aug 2015 #25

just yelling go bernie go isnt going to do it. so what do you have to offer. anything? seabeyond Aug 2015 #33

2 words expressing my support for a candidate is all you're focused on? JeffHead Aug 2015 #85

So closing down the government Andy823 Aug 2015 #64

Not for me, it doesn't. cheapdate Aug 2015 #84

Sure does. JeffHead Aug 2015 #105

This is the problem Andy823 Aug 2015 #127

It worked for Clinton in the 1990's. TM99 Aug 2015 #128

that's not the way it works treestar Aug 2015 #193

Exactly! Andy823 Aug 2015 #32

Thanks for being here, Andy!!! elleng Aug 2015 #35

Same thing as would happen with President Clinton or President O'Malley. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #6

I agree Andy823 Aug 2015 #23

Why do so many in this thread mention O'Malley? Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #120

Exactly... TheProgressive Aug 2015 #59

I agree that Sanders will handle it better and do a better job of taking his case to the people. dflprincess Aug 2015 #108

Bernie has already said -- he will take it to the people. immoderate Aug 2015 #152

I don't think the meme is that Sanders per se will be the only one with this problem Recursion Aug 2015 #186

Manufactured, artificial flame-bait. arcane1 Aug 2015 #10

why? it is a political question. i was talking to my second year university niece today asking her seabeyond Aug 2015 #15

I like Bernie also Andy823 Aug 2015 #28

one of my concerns about sanders, watching over time, is he tends to dig heels in the sand seabeyond Aug 2015 #37

Not really. Andy823 Aug 2015 #20

Sorry, I'm not in high school, so I don't play these games. I just call them out n/t arcane1 Aug 2015 #42

or the rpug party stands up day after the swearing in and states they will oppose EVERYTHING sanders seabeyond Aug 2015 #14

Then we organize jeepers Aug 2015 #46

now i really like the idea of going after the states. but i see both clinton and omalley being more seabeyond Aug 2015 #55

He has something Obama did not... zappaman Aug 2015 #24

They may, but the tide is shifting and if we have a President Sanders, libdem4life Aug 2015 #26

Do you really think Andy823 Aug 2015 #36

Not necesarily, but they do care about getting re-elected. They also do polls. libdem4life Aug 2015 #44

One problem Andy823 Aug 2015 #67

You make a good point, but the Primary Mayhem, if it happens, may force libdem4life Aug 2015 #76

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2015 #91

obama supposedly had that too. repug party stood up day after election and stated they would not seabeyond Aug 2015 #38

A few things...He's been around Washington and knows all the players. libdem4life Aug 2015 #50

unfortunately i do agree seabeyond Aug 2015 #58

Sanders will have his own learning curve, to be sure. But the Rs will be libdem4life Aug 2015 #65

thank you for approaching it as a discussion whether one agrees or not. seabeyond Aug 2015 #73

Back Atcha !! libdem4life Aug 2015 #94

None of that will make conservatives care more about America than their ideals. My issue with uponit7771 Aug 2015 #92

Well, of course we don't know, but only have his rather lengthy background libdem4life Aug 2015 #101

Obama was voted in with a "mandate", and southern wingers wont even consider Sanders.... uponit7771 Aug 2015 #106

I'm not sure what a "winger" is. There are lots of interests and it's never easy libdem4life Aug 2015 #111

right "winger", they're ideologues and don't care about the rest. The locals on the GOP side don't uponit7771 Aug 2015 #113

Sanders is not black mikehiggins Aug 2015 #154

Happy 70 sept 2! seabeyond Aug 2015 #157

Thanks for the birthday wishes mikehiggins Aug 2015 #161

It IS Cosmocat Aug 2015 #199

He mobilizes the movement hootinholler Aug 2015 #27

Really? Andy823 Aug 2015 #75

The last guy didn't mobilize the movement? tia uponit7771 Aug 2015 #96

No he didn't n/t hootinholler Aug 2015 #166

I disagree uponit7771 Aug 2015 #173

Mobilizing the grassroots? Marching? murielm99 Aug 2015 #149

That's ok hootinholler Aug 2015 #165

Machine politics? LOL. murielm99 Aug 2015 #174

Sanders has compromised his entire political career. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #29

he hasnt really accomplished much, right? i mean, he made a deal with the dems to not run seabeyond Aug 2015 #45

Regarding the 2 post offices? that is true. And that's it. n/t lunamagica Aug 2015 #140

so that really is it? and yet, he will accomplish 15 an hour, single payer, free college. ok. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #142

I agree Andy823 Aug 2015 #78

He's compromised with people willing to spend 24 billion in shutting down the government or uponit7771 Aug 2015 #110

He surrounds himself Newest Reality Aug 2015 #34

Yes. Nothing overnight to be sure, but some new realities that most of the libdem4life Aug 2015 #56

Except that Andy823 Aug 2015 #71

Oh, there must be compromise. Like on another thread mentioned, it's different libdem4life Aug 2015 #80

Or does he go to the people and say "You elected me to do such and such and the Republicans .... Scuba Aug 2015 #39

you mean what Obama should have done Doctor_J Aug 2015 #49

Bingo! Scuba Aug 2015 #52

And how do you do that Andy823 Aug 2015 #81

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2015 #97

He issues an executive order making the Medicare eligibility age 60, immediately Doctor_J Aug 2015 #54

And that would be legal? Andy823 Aug 2015 #86

He starts his bargaining over to the left instead of in the middle? Fawke Em Aug 2015 #60

This ^^^^ libdem4life Aug 2015 #70

and that doesn't become more of a waste of time because? Were have people been the last 6 yrs?! uponit7771 Aug 2015 #98

He'll be called a "corporatist, shill for the 1%, POS used car salesman," and worse. Hoyt Aug 2015 #61

Yeap uponit7771 Aug 2015 #99

IDK what he'd do. Jamaal510 Aug 2015 #66

Exactly Andy823 Aug 2015 #131

Take your pic: An obstinate congress, or one that initiates monthly investigations into Clinton's cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #68

either way nothing gets done, there's nothing new uponit7771 Aug 2015 #100

Bernie has already addressed this when he stated that he can't make snagglepuss Aug 2015 #69

Obama said exact same thing and still became hated by Berniacs et al uponit7771 Aug 2015 #109

You are so very correct! sheshe2 Aug 2015 #132

I hope we find out what happens when President Sanders takes on the machine. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #72

He will offer them a Grand Bargain and Hang up his comfy walking shoes. bahrbearian Aug 2015 #74

Republicans will Kenjie Aug 2015 #82

Agree wholeheartedly. libdem4life Aug 2015 #104

Sanders will "bern" them and they'll do what he wants them to do uponit7771 Aug 2015 #89

This BainsBane Aug 2015 #93

Yeap, of the 20,000 issues that the left ascribes to Sanders bet not compromise on one of them or... uponit7771 Aug 2015 #107

why single out sanders? restorefreedom Aug 2015 #95

Because of the expectations he has set himself, he'll never be a POSUCS because of the 20,000 uponit7771 Aug 2015 #102

and you think the others restorefreedom Aug 2015 #138

Not just Sanders Andy823 Aug 2015 #170

agreed but there are different levels of compromise restorefreedom Aug 2015 #172

The GOP has been opposed to progress since just after the CIVIL WAR. What do you think is Vincardog Aug 2015 #112

Yep...that's the definition of Conservative...dwelling in the past, fear of anything libdem4life Aug 2015 #117

Actually that was the Ds during the Civil War. nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #136

Notice I said AFTER the Civil War. Nodding to that factoid of US History Vincardog Aug 2015 #137

Sanders's run was CAUSED by Obama lying down and blaming obstruction or compromise MisterP Aug 2015 #115

Can't disagree. He can claim some measure of a learning curve, but I believe libdem4life Aug 2015 #122

He was a U.S. senator for three years. SMC22307 Aug 2015 #150

Yes, but 3 years in Washington as a freshman Senator isn't a lot of time. libdem4life Aug 2015 #171

Bull! nt Andy823 Aug 2015 #134

Every candidate faces this obstacle. LWolf Aug 2015 #121

I agree Andy823 Aug 2015 #125

It's instructive to take a look LWolf Aug 2015 #176

so now we are good with compromise and working with repugs and all above thread they are seabeyond Aug 2015 #144

It is a bit confusing, isn't it? LWolf Aug 2015 #175

interesting lwolf. i do not know the answer. i want more done. i do not want certain things seabeyond Aug 2015 #179

You're welcome, of course. LWolf Aug 2015 #185

That's why we need to work to elect Democrats, too emsimon33 Aug 2015 #133

What happens when (insert president here from the D side of the Houe) nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #135

I have a thought, but will post it later. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #139

Given his track record at getting legislation passed? jberryhill Aug 2015 #141

He Will Put Public Pressure On Obstructionists colsohlibgal Aug 2015 #143

But he's got really big crowds though. moobu2 Aug 2015 #147

Imagine a President who champions traditional democratic bread and butter issues CentralMass Aug 2015 #151

They don't compromise AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #155

I can't afford any more compromises. mmonk Aug 2015 #158

Massive protests on Capitol Hill Senator Tankerbell Aug 2015 #160

President Sanders will tell the truth to the American people about the obstructionists senz Aug 2015 #164

Bernie will also face a majority of Democrats in Congress who won't support him. Sancho Aug 2015 #167

Compromise was never the problem with Obama. Dawgs Aug 2015 #169

So, what happens when YOU get off your keester Trajan Aug 2015 #177

How do you define LIBERAL PROGRESSIVES? Andy823 Aug 2015 #182

As the Democratic nominee INdemo Aug 2015 #178

And they lived happily ever after... Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #180

Well it's all about real change INdemo Aug 2015 #181

Hmm... kenfrequed Aug 2015 #184

He's not going to be president MaggieD Aug 2015 #187

Bernard Chazelle said, "America has lefties but no left." Garrett78 Aug 2015 #190

Yes they will treestar Aug 2015 #191

Compromise what to get what? TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #195

. LWolf Aug 2015 #201

might seem off topic jeepers Aug 2015 #202

This is what will happen: ecstatic Aug 2015 #203