2016 Postmortem

frylock

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190. Sanders is scorning nobody aside from those that put party over principle..

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 12:48 PM

Aug 2015

and he is not going to get any endorsements from establishment Dems. That's what Clinton's little come to Jesus meeting was all about. I don't think it's really going to have much influence on first-time voters, indies, or disenchanted republicans in the least. If you're suggesting that jilted Dems are going to go full-blown PUMA after Sanders wins the nom, that's another topic entirely.

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Can Bernie Sanders Win the Love of a Party He Scorns? [View all] sheshe2 Aug 2015 OP

apparently he can virtualobserver Aug 2015 #1

I'm not so sure how he'll accomplish that in New Hampshire. BlueCaliDem Aug 2015 #176

that will not be a problem virtualobserver Aug 2015 #178

He has to win the votes in order to get the delegates, not sure if he can get enough. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #2

Well, he's already won the love of John Poet Aug 2015 #3

no. he has not. he has gained SOME dems, repugs, teabaggers, independents and libertarians. seabeyond Aug 2015 #14

Nope. Fearless Aug 2015 #68

lol. well, i disagree with your nope. meh.... we would need stats on the crowd and party seabeyond Aug 2015 #112

The fact is that the things Bernie talks about are American issues not liberal or conservative ones Fearless Aug 2015 #132

all the repugs know one woman and cares for one woman, and women are still being fucked by them. seabeyond Aug 2015 #133

You agree with his positions but not his methods? Fearless Aug 2015 #135

i agree mostly. but then i do not have issues with clinton and omalley so i can also recognize seabeyond Aug 2015 #136

Bernie actually didn't say anything you're claiming he did. Fearless Aug 2015 #137

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #84

Welcome to Du, why do you keep accusing posters of "wanting" him to run as an independent? uppityperson Aug 2015 #106

someone has been following me around while i was at the dentist. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #134

Scorns? He caucuses with the Democrats, sheshe2. Scuba Aug 2015 #4

yes but it makes for a great rhetorical flourish. Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #6

yes. in 1990 to win, he made a deal with dems for his vote. a deal is a deal, right? seabeyond Aug 2015 #15

Please explain how voters have suffered as a result of this "deal". winter is coming Aug 2015 #51

first... ha ha ha. second. i do approve of sanders, as a senator. not a fan as a president. seabeyond Aug 2015 #54

You dismiss the most important point with fake laughter? winter is coming Aug 2015 #60

the funny you do not get is the hypocrisy of the sander supporter that i did not want to get into seabeyond Aug 2015 #62

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #91

This is wonky info, but it helps to explain the relationship. MADem Aug 2015 #167

answered by evidence: yes. Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #5

Then why are you on this website? Indydem Aug 2015 #79

Just yell socialist. Please provide example Bernie is not in line with democratic party daybranch Aug 2015 #87

Oh please. Indydem Aug 2015 #90

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #95

This is Democratic Underground -a good assumption is that we are all Democrats.Are you a republican? NRaleighLiberal Aug 2015 #97

No. I just don't want him to run. Indydem Aug 2015 #100

I love the argument that if Sanders beats, arguably, the strongest candidate.. frylock Aug 2015 #125

He won't win unless he can take a sizeable chunk of Black and Latino BlueCaliDem Aug 2015 #184

We are all supporters of the Party. We are the UNDERGROUND of the party. Alittleliberal Aug 2015 #98

So naive. Indydem Aug 2015 #101

The country is not in the center on the issues. Issue poll after issue poll shows that. Alittleliberal Aug 2015 #103

I didn't realize I was attacking you personally. I'm very sorry you are so upset. Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #139

How is that possible??? Indydem Aug 2015 #145

Hell, I say something nasty about the Democratic party and the sell outs running it nearly every day dflprincess Aug 2015 #154

^^^ so much this ^^^ Hiraeth Aug 2015 #215

Does anyone read the friggin' "About" page? SMC22307 Aug 2015 #148

Oh. I didn't know that's all it took. Indydem Aug 2015 #170

Even Skinner has acknowledged that the fact that Sanders is a Democrat davidpdx Aug 2015 #175

Charlie Crist magically became a D, and many on DU supported him. SMC22307 Aug 2015 #201

Here we go again w the lame team sports mentality. DemByDefault Aug 2015 #7

yep again! daybranch Aug 2015 #89

Who knows? sibelian Aug 2015 #8

Scorns? Haven't seen that. TwilightGardener Aug 2015 #9

Like a jilted lover! frylock Aug 2015 #127

Hell hath no fury! SMC22307 Aug 2015 #147

I like to read the responses before I artislife Aug 2015 #10

Perhaps many in the Democratic Party iemitsu Aug 2015 #11

The vast majority of Blacks, Latinos, and Asians disagree with you. BlueCaliDem Aug 2015 #187

he wouldn't be allied with democrats in senate if he scorned the party JI7 Aug 2015 #12

1990, he kept losing as independent, he made a deal with dem party. no viable opponent for his vote. seabeyond Aug 2015 #13

Agree. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #16

Had a friend of mine who told me to 'dig deep' into his record ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #18

right out of the gate i was there with the man. the supporters on du, had me seabeyond Aug 2015 #21

Dem causes? DemByDefault Aug 2015 #46

i have not put in the time, nor would i, with this attack on iraq vote. i think seabeyond Aug 2015 #47

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #107

this Vermonter has long been impressed with his record. so are the vast majority cali Aug 2015 #25

And again! ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #29

His "purity" MuseRider Aug 2015 #31

i love you. thank you. the purity is in the presentation he cannot be bought seabeyond Aug 2015 #33

So he is a politician and human MuseRider Aug 2015 #71

Are you trying to tell us that a sitting senator and former congressman and mayor is a POLITICIAN?! Qutzupalotl Aug 2015 #99

Commenting to link back here when I here more "Bernie is not a politician" posts. nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #104

Waste of a perfectly good sarcasm smilie. Qutzupalotl Aug 2015 #105

Purity tests suck. Period. anacodainfl Aug 2015 #34

i am not hunting it down, and ya... i hear it used from supporters. not my reality or expectation. seabeyond Aug 2015 #37

Sometimes a compromise is needed. anacodainfl Aug 2015 #40

and that would be the consistent pragmatic person i am. so when i hear people rant about compromise seabeyond Aug 2015 #43

Thanks for holding down the fort sheshe2 Aug 2015 #146

What did the Democratic Party of Vermont get out of this "deal"? virtualobserver Aug 2015 #52

he didnt split the vote and vermont elect a repug seabeyond Aug 2015 #56

what did Bernie "do" other than run for office? virtualobserver Aug 2015 #66

i am clueless what answer you want me to give or what you are talking about. seabeyond Aug 2015 #110

you said that Bernie "made a deal" with the Vermont Democratic Party virtualobserver Aug 2015 #120

dems agreed to not put up a viable candidate and he agreed to vote with dems. just giving you seabeyond Aug 2015 #124

he agreed to vote the way he would anyway virtualobserver Aug 2015 #126

of course not. seabeyond Aug 2015 #129

In 1990, he had alread won the Mayoral election as an Independent 4 times. Each time Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #94

yes. he lost many running for the socialist party. and lost the first run for congress seabeyond Aug 2015 #117

I don't know ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #17

he is running as independent under dems as he ran in vermont. he is merely using the dems for votes seabeyond Aug 2015 #19

Actually he is trying not to split the vote MuseRider Aug 2015 #72

there are many things i respect about sanders. this is one of them. along with his consistent seabeyond Aug 2015 #111

Sanders isn't looking for congressional Democrats to vote for him.. frylock Aug 2015 #20

so we throw all the congressional democrats under the bus, the prez, clinton and all her supporters. seabeyond Aug 2015 #22

Those congressional Democrats have constituents he needs to win in those States. BlueCaliDem Aug 2015 #188

Sanders is scorning nobody aside from those that put party over principle.. frylock Aug 2015 #190

Yes. You've already said that. BlueCaliDem Aug 2015 #192

Sanders doesn't risk losing the support of establishment Dems.. frylock Aug 2015 #195

True. He doesn't risk losing any support because he never had any to begin with. BlueCaliDem Aug 2015 #203

we need to start local, and get in thru out our states, then.... we can start having more say seabeyond Aug 2015 #205

Absolutely. Change starts from the bottom-up, not the top-down. BlueCaliDem Aug 2015 #207

i read your discussion on endorsements elsewhere. i thought very interesting. just another piece seabeyond Aug 2015 #208

Why should we care? And, this isn't a game. Dawgs Aug 2015 #23

That is a very good answer. MuseRider Aug 2015 #74

Well, sheshe2 Aug 2015 #150

LOL welcome home! MuseRider Aug 2015 #151

Thanks for the welcome home,MuseRider. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #197

Great post. n/t ms liberty Aug 2015 #144

I never said it was a game. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #149

All of those items you've mentioned requires support in the Senate and in Congress as a whole. BlueCaliDem Aug 2015 #179

we never hear about this one, i really want the answer. seabeyond Aug 2015 #181

I've received an answer ONCE... BlueCaliDem Aug 2015 #182

true, we havent really talked about this, but the other day, that is the answer i got. REVOLUTION seabeyond Aug 2015 #183

The revolution Senator Sanders needs is impossible to achieve. BlueCaliDem Aug 2015 #185

it isnt possible. sanders is hitting one group. white middle and working class. he is dependent on seabeyond Aug 2015 #186

And he and his supporters will realize, too late, that Repubs, Indies, and BlueCaliDem Aug 2015 #189

here in texas, one would have to change party and vote in just one primary. i do not know seabeyond Aug 2015 #191

They're not going to vote for him. They're just propping him up to make it appear as if BlueCaliDem Aug 2015 #193

i dont know the reason, intent, motive.... but i bottom line agree with you. seabeyond Aug 2015 #194

When it comes to power, people tend to do the craziest things. BlueCaliDem Aug 2015 #202

First off, you don't register with ANY party in Vermont. phleshdef Aug 2015 #24

I have brought this up before and here is my issue with it... Peacetrain Aug 2015 #26

i have thought about this, also. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #28

And that's an excellent point ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #30

Thanks for your comments here, ism. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #153

Here's how you answer that question Jim Lane Aug 2015 #61

Thank you for your response Peacetrain. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #152

Bernie is going to save the democratic party jeepers Aug 2015 #27

That's an interesting way of looking at it ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #32

A four-way race would have been interesting John Poet Aug 2015 #36

THIS. bunnies Aug 2015 #38

he already has, so..............'yes' nt HFRN Aug 2015 #35

amazing that people would choose truth and representation, over obedience to a party HFRN Aug 2015 #39

Loyalty, admirable but blind. jeepers Aug 2015 #42

when you create snaders as a savior, as you very well did in a post above, one might challenge seabeyond Aug 2015 #50

No one called Bernie a "savior"-just a decent, honest progressive. Ken Burch Aug 2015 #93

27. Bernie is going to save the democratic party seabeyond Aug 2015 #113

Not really. Ken Burch Aug 2015 #118

Sanders is saving dem party from the outside = savior. Don't throw it on me seabeyond Aug 2015 #122

No it isn't. Please stop acting as if there is something unhealthy about Bernie's campaign. Ken Burch Aug 2015 #128

firstly, huh? unhealthy? ok. secondly, savior, why did you turn it to messiah. save = savior seabeyond Aug 2015 #130

Save does not equal "savior". Ken Burch Aug 2015 #138

personally i think it is atrocious that a party i have been a part of forever need this "save" seabeyond Aug 2015 #140

It's no comment on you as a person. Ken Burch Aug 2015 #141

i didnt say it was about me as a person. a party i am proud of and have participated for a lifetime seabeyond Aug 2015 #142

Thanks to democrats like the Clintons the party sucks now whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #41

The history of the DNC jeepers Aug 2015 #45

Highly doubtful. He's also the only candidate running on sufrommich Aug 2015 #44

Ouch ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #48

Good try! Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #55

It is a fact~ sheshe2 Aug 2015 #155

Is there a river in Egypt that's overflowing its banks? cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #49

The republicans are arguing that azmom Aug 2015 #53

ya. and yet sanders himself says he is not a democrat or liberal and his supporters argue seabeyond Aug 2015 #58

He says he is a democratic socialist azmom Aug 2015 #65

ok, so? he is a socialist. a democratic leaning socialist. he is an independent. your point? seabeyond Aug 2015 #109

+ 1000! sheshe2 Aug 2015 #156

When you consider the people fredamae Aug 2015 #57

+1. Lots of people have told me that they didn't leave the party; the party left them. winter is coming Aug 2015 #75

Mine too MuseRider Aug 2015 #78

Yep-I agree with you both fredamae Aug 2015 #88

Have contempt for the Democratic party is not a good way to win the nomination Gothmog Aug 2015 #59

If he scorned the Democratic party he would run as an independent. Jappleseed Aug 2015 #63

Party identification is Sanders's Benghazi Jim Lane Aug 2015 #64

politico is making up fake news now? Fearless Aug 2015 #67

the people he loves; the establishment and the structure he doesn't MisterP Aug 2015 #69

So eliminating the "Nader" possibility is good as long as it isn't Bernie doing it? Fearless Aug 2015 #70

Well, the man is right. Maedhros Aug 2015 #73

He doesn't want to win the party. He wants to win the people. The human people, not valerief Aug 2015 #76

Ummm sheshe2 Aug 2015 #158

Bernie wanting to win the "love of a party he scorns" is pretty strange. nt valerief Aug 2015 #198

I don't love the Democratic Party, myself. It seems to have taken a hard right turn. djean111 Aug 2015 #77

I agree with Bernie on every point in the OP and will vote for him. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #80

Depends.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #81

Well Jeeeez People . . FairWinds Aug 2015 #82

Hate the comparison...the the reason Bernie and Trump are doing so well... libdem4life Aug 2015 #83

Well, I'm a zentrum Aug 2015 #85

+1 deutsey Aug 2015 #102

Excellent article. Thanks for posting. Koinos Aug 2015 #86

Bill Clinton spent his whole post-1980 career scorning nearly everything this party stands for- Ken Burch Aug 2015 #92

Bill Clinton moved our party forward and away from the constant losses ericson00 Aug 2015 #213

Uh, because that would require we be a Republican. libdem4life Aug 2015 #96

Not with the highest national polling sitting at 30% that dropped from 33" FloridaBlues Aug 2015 #108

You and Politocrap are confused about the difference between the Democratic Party and Democrats. Agony Aug 2015 #114

How does he scorn the democratic party? He caucuses with the democratic party. Autumn Aug 2015 #115

He Can Win the Love of Those Scorned by the Party demwing Aug 2015 #116

He will also ... TheFarS1de Aug 2015 #123

He already has PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #119

Our nominee will have to do some party building. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #121

Justin. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #159

Good to see you She. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #160

I have missed you too, sweetie. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #162

I have the same avatar. What they did to Bravenak is a sin. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #163

Sorry. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #164

Coordinated attempt to silence criticism. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #165

Yes, justin. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #166

Just sad but expected. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #168

here's a better question elana i am Aug 2015 #131

I felt a bit like Bernie back in late 90's.. DCBob Aug 2015 #143

You mean a party that he has jfern Aug 2015 #157

But he declined the Democratic nomination in those Senate runs. You neglected to mention that. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #161

First off, he should join the party officially if he desires the nomination. Dawson Leery Aug 2015 #169

Not from me MaggieD Aug 2015 #171

By "diss" you mean "caucus with" and "support the party's platform." Yes, morningfog Aug 2015 #173

The political parties are a bug not a feature for self governance and power centered on the people. TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #172

If he gets the nomination..... Adrahil Aug 2015 #174

Another preachy OP by Sheshe davidpdx Aug 2015 #177

"preachy, screeching and liar". and you are talking about another duers posts? seabeyond Aug 2015 #180

That was a great read, sheshe KMOD Aug 2015 #196

Hey KMOD, thanks. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #199

He'll be the next President madokie Aug 2015 #200

Sure he can. It's not like Bernie is morally depraved or anything like that. Autumn Aug 2015 #204

or petty. sanders certainly is not petty. seabeyond Aug 2015 #206

No he is not, not in the least. He takes the high road and does things right Autumn Aug 2015 #209

i LOVED what he said to reporters yesterday about attacking clinton. my FAV seabeyond Aug 2015 #210

Bernie is no more his supporters than HIllary is her supporters Autumn Aug 2015 #212

you and i absolutely do not see this the same. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #214

No we do not. n/t Autumn Aug 2015 #216

yawn Hiraeth Aug 2015 #211