2016 Postmortem

Uncle Joe

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60. I'm not making my decision on this and this alone, I support Bernie Sanders

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 12:11 PM

Aug 2015

on a wide range of issues.

Having said that trust is critically important as is judgment and on both criteria, I feel that Bernie is second to no one.

As for different results, two points.

1. Today's reality is different than 2008 as Isis has spread across the region and the Republicans are screaming for war with Iran.

2. Some here have stated that Bernie wouldn't come close to Hillary Clinton's vote totals, so 1% less or more would be considered a victory by many, of course I prefer for Bernie to win.

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Hillary Clinton vs Bernie Sanders on Whether to Invade Iraq - 2002 [View all] Uncle Joe Aug 2015 OP

the democratic vote was to divert war and bring in the united nations and diplomacy BlueStateLib Aug 2015 #1

Yes some of them did take "George W Bush at this word." Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #3

Yes - the best way to push for diplomacy Maedhros Aug 2015 #4

Not approving the IWR wouldn't have stopped the war because there was an incoming Rethug congress pnwmom Aug 2015 #17

You're being WAY to logical...... George II Aug 2015 #23

Oh Yes! bvar22 Aug 2015 #64

Do you think Hillary Clinton really believed Bush/Cheney would act in good faith regarding Iraq? Martin Eden Aug 2015 #15

One would be naive to think ozone_man Aug 2015 #20

Yeah, years later "one would be naive to think" George II Aug 2015 #24

Some are so naive that they never learn. They just double-down. leveymg Aug 2015 #34

It is funny to me, the view you are taking PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #37

Who might that be? George II Aug 2015 #40

King George the 3rd. LOL John Poet Aug 2015 #47

No, not years later, in 2002, ozone_man Aug 2015 #45

... how weird. You know, that kind of *sounds* like a criticism... sibelian Aug 2015 #59

bullfuckingshit. as Leahy told her, it's giving Bush a blank check to go to war. cali Aug 2015 #63

Do you really think it mattered whether Bush got the conditional IWR that fall pnwmom Aug 2015 #27

There was not a rethug congress when the IWR vote was taken in October 2002 Martin Eden Aug 2015 #31

You're forgetting the atmosphere of those post 9/11 days. The "law and order" party was a shoe-in pnwmom Aug 2015 #46

WTF does "law and order" have to do with invading Iraq? Martin Eden Aug 2015 #51

Terrorism. The Rethugs had convinced the majority of voters that Iraq was a terrorist threat, pnwmom Aug 2015 #52

Should no effort have be made to dispell the lies or to prevent a disaster? Martin Eden Aug 2015 #53

They tried to prevent the disaster by making going into the war CONDITIONAL pnwmom Aug 2015 #61

If Hillary believed GW would abide the UN, she's an idiot Martin Eden Aug 2015 #66

+100 Duppers Aug 2015 #48

Great! Link me the massive Democratic revolt when Bush "double-crossed" them. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2015 #16

bullfuckingshit. they should have listened to their wiser peers cali Aug 2015 #62

More "Hillary-hating"? 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #2

Oh, come on now! Maedhros Aug 2015 #6

Yep. George II Aug 2015 #25

Bernie was so right in his predictions back then. What a horrific tragedy it has all been sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #5

I agree, sabrina, Bernie was most prescient and Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #8

So then why is "your" candidate running for President after rebuffing "your" party for decades? George II Aug 2015 #26

No party is above it's actions, George. sibelian Aug 2015 #56

Thank you for this. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #7

Congresswoman Barbara Lee. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #11

A powerful contrast of judgement n/t whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #9

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Aug 2015 #10

Sanders' standard was the right one. He demanded an imminent threat Vattel Aug 2015 #12

Yes but who could've predicted that Bush and Cheney would abuse their power and lie? Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #13

Uh, everyone who was paying attention. PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #38

And this is especially true for those in power. n/t Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #39

I don't know -- dflprincess Aug 2015 #42

A most astute observation, dflprincess. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #43

And to you dflprincess Aug 2015 #44

I was at an event in early 2000, where Barbara Kingsolver was speaking. Zorra Aug 2015 #14

^^^^^^^^^^^^ n/t slipslidingaway Aug 2015 #19

Excellent logic - I'm voting for Clinton. George II Aug 2015 #28

Tricked is actually what poorer excuse than just being wrong in my eyes. TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #50

I agree, TheKentuckian the story was never reasonably plausible and this Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #54

Thanks. You make some good points. Unfortunately, the alternatives to Zorra Aug 2015 #58

This is one reason why Kenjie Aug 2015 #18

Hillary was pants on fire lying about Saddam Al Qaeda connection jfern Aug 2015 #21

WMD Lies Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #29

WHY is the bush recount video included in a post about Clinton and Sanders in 2002? George II Aug 2015 #22

It's a testament to the Bush cabal's lack of integrity, an early warning and the same MO was used Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #30

amen punguin54 Aug 2015 #33

Almost starts out as a Sanders vs Clinton debate punguin54 Aug 2015 #32

K&R to the max. n/t PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #35

"I cast it with conviction". Well my conviction is that you're unfit Hillary Catherina Aug 2015 #36

You're most welcome, Catherina. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #41

Great post, Uncle Joe. Duppers Aug 2015 #49

Thanks, Duppers. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #65

And your point in bringing this up? brooklynite Aug 2015 #55

I don't see how her vote count in 2008 ameliorates her position? sibelian Aug 2015 #57

I'm not making my decision on this and this alone, I support Bernie Sanders Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #60

Wow! DUers supporting the IWR now. UN fucking believable. morningfog Aug 2015 #67