2016 Postmortem

Renew Deal

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81. I am aware of the disatisfaction with other peoples congressmembers.

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 12:57 PM

Aug 2015

But it is irrelevant to this point.

One comparable "movement" to Sanders right now is Ron Paul. In congress it made no difference for him. McCain was the party nominee and got 50+ million votes. It made no difference for him. Another one that is more recent is Ted Cruz. It has made no difference for him.

Bernie can build all the movement he wants, but if the Senate doesn't embrace him it doesn't make a difference.

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If Bernie loses and Hillary wins the general election, [View all] cali Aug 2015 OP

That is true. still_one Aug 2015 #1

Really hope so. Those activists damn well better not pout. . . DinahMoeHum Aug 2015 #2

She's for GMO's & monsanto, more H1B visas... She's not anywhere near 'a thousand times' better peacebird Aug 2015 #10

+1, Establishment harun Aug 2015 #20

She would simply be status quo.. left-of-center2012 Aug 2015 #22

So you don't believe things can get worse?? staggerleem Aug 2015 #67

+1 DinahMoeHum Aug 2015 #74

What's worse than status quo? Going backwards. n/t Beartracks Aug 2015 #89

Yes. And that is exactly what we would be faced with, with a gop presidency. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #100

I wouldn't mind going backwards to the time when.. bvar22 Aug 2015 #110

You are actually talking about a pretty tight window, bvar. staggerleem Aug 2015 #112

It was a tight window, bvar22 Aug 2015 #129

There is still a sizeable segment of the Democratic Party ... staggerleem Aug 2015 #131

Good post. The Bernie phenomenon has to empower them. Maybe 2016 will grow them. Hortensis Aug 2015 #138

I would like to call your attention to two items. bvar22 Aug 2015 #130

OK, I'll grant you that FDR codified racial equality ... staggerleem Aug 2015 #132

"All of these rights spell security" -- and also, really, freedom. n/t Beartracks Aug 2015 #118

Because, as FDR ALSO siad ... staggerleem Aug 2015 #133

To the benefit of one group at the heads of others. Lancero Aug 2015 #134

Utter and complete nonsense... AOR Aug 2015 #136

It's not related to his platform. Lancero Aug 2015 #137

You seem to be missing the point Lancero... AOR Aug 2015 #139

Ok then, lets return to the 30's and 40s... Lancero Aug 2015 #140

You say --"But if you want to argue that the 30s and 40s are great for AA's and women" AOR Aug 2015 #141

Someone wants to see more of this... Lancero Aug 2015 #142

Well...like I said it's a different time... AOR Aug 2015 #143

NO. Supreme Court FTW. n/t yodermon Aug 2015 #111

She is a motivator, the problem is she motivates the wrong side. A Simple Game Aug 2015 #36

I agree - when I see what the Rs have to offer I am terrified. I will also jwirr Aug 2015 #80

+1000s DinahMoeHum Aug 2015 #86

I'll go a step farther ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #98

Oh jesus Robbins Aug 2015 #106

Yes susej ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #108

The way I see it, it's the responsibility of the Democratic Party to nominate someone that rhett o rick Aug 2015 #116

I would like to see a movement of 'Social Democrats' emerge from this ... Trajan Aug 2015 #3

..... merrily Aug 2015 #11

You get a gold star ORjohn Aug 2015 #144

For some of us he already was that person. Agschmid Aug 2015 #4

Agreed. nt onehandle Aug 2015 #5

Yes, that will be the silver-lining to a very dark cloud. Business as usual. leveymg Aug 2015 #6

That will be great. DanTex Aug 2015 #7

If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts... tularetom Aug 2015 #8

Interesting prophecy ORjohn Aug 2015 #145

I think you're right on this. GitRDun Aug 2015 #9

maybe, but Doctor_J Aug 2015 #12

Unfortunately, what doesn't kill the privateers probably does makes them stronger. HereSince1628 Aug 2015 #92

His endorsement of Hillary will be very valuable...nt SidDithers Aug 2015 #13

Heh, heh JohnnyLib2 Aug 2015 #14

yes it will be, and anyone who doesn't think he'll leverage that to the max cali Aug 2015 #17

I would not count on that at all. djean111 Aug 2015 #16

But you're just one person. Cali_Democrat Aug 2015 #18

Yes, I am only one person, and, as a result, insignificant. I got that. djean111 Aug 2015 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Aug 2015 #23

If that happens Robbins Aug 2015 #15

I'd rather head toward the precipice something short of full speed cali Aug 2015 #21

I've said for a long time that we are headed for a cliff and that the Republicans A Simple Game Aug 2015 #49

If they can't work with others, they will get nothing of what they want treestar Aug 2015 #124

If he loses, there is no point in keeping the plantation running. jtuck004 Aug 2015 #19

WOW Cali_Democrat Aug 2015 #29

We had a chance when Carter was President, but too many thought Reagan would be better. A Simple Game Aug 2015 #55

You saw what happened when Gore gave it up jeepers Aug 2015 #107

Foot? Fuddnik Aug 2015 #34

*snort* yeah, I thought about that, but I think this piggybank for the bank$ter/donors jtuck004 Aug 2015 #61

good grief it's not that bad treestar Aug 2015 #123

If That Happens... It Will Be Real Interesting To See Him Speak At The Convention... WillyT Aug 2015 #24

If Bernie loses the primary jeepers Aug 2015 #25

This is a really good post. Looks like you've been here for a bit, so this is a little late, but... Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #31

Which is why he should have run as a third party... Historic NY Aug 2015 #69

How many Senate endorsements does Bernie have? Renew Deal Aug 2015 #26

What was the favorability rating of Congress again? frylock Aug 2015 #28

And yet, We D. People keep putting them back in office ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #32

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different. frylock Aug 2015 #47

Terrible, and yet 90+% of them are re-elected. Renew Deal Aug 2015 #77

What options do people have? frylock Aug 2015 #84

Who will he have to work with if he's (cough cough) elected President? George II Aug 2015 #115

You think he won't get endorsements druidity33 Aug 2015 #120

For starters, they won't be investigating him about Benghazi and email-gate. djean111 Aug 2015 #125

Even his fellow New England INDEPENDENT colleague in the Senate, Angus King of Maine... George II Aug 2015 #126

Well, you are going to vote for Hillary, and you will not succeed in changing even one djean111 Aug 2015 #128

that makes no difference whatsoever. you are aware that congress is held in major cali Aug 2015 #35

Bernie Sanders has a Posse.. frylock Aug 2015 #46

I am aware of the disatisfaction with other peoples congressmembers. Renew Deal Aug 2015 #81

no, it's really not at all comparable. Paul is a libertarian in a party that has cali Aug 2015 #88

He has zero MaggieD Aug 2015 #40

Where did you come up with the "doesn't play well with others" idea? Renew Deal Aug 2015 #85

Oddly the Senate does not elect the President. Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #54

Those are all good examples other than JFK, RFK, Obama, and Ford. Renew Deal Aug 2015 #83

And right now, surprising things can happen. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #27

I agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #30

he undoubtedly will give that endorsement and will leverage the he'll out of it. cali Aug 2015 #43

He hasn't been for 25 years MaggieD Aug 2015 #37

lol. And there really aren't massive crowds going to his rallies and volunteering for cali Aug 2015 #42

These aren't the droids you're looking for.... frylock Aug 2015 #50

Crowds didn't elect Dean or Kerry - now did they? MaggieD Aug 2015 #57

it's complex. try to follow. cali Aug 2015 #64

Democrats have been fired up and passionate for change. jeepers Aug 2015 #109

Maggie really hates Bernie on a personal level Doctor_J Aug 2015 #95

Although it would be better..... daleanime Aug 2015 #38

Reading this thread, I see that Progressives are already being blamed for a possible Hillary loss. djean111 Aug 2015 #39

So Bernie supporters don't want any credit? MaggieD Aug 2015 #45

Calling any criticism of Hillary RW smear machine stuff is getting hilarious. djean111 Aug 2015 #51

I think it fits MaggieD Aug 2015 #53

of course you do. cali Aug 2015 #68

Gee. I must have somehow missed the Benghazi stuff. djean111 Aug 2015 #70

I feel sorry for you. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #87

You are right. zalinda Aug 2015 #104

They've been doing this since at least 2010 treestar Aug 2015 #121

It's so true. zentrum Aug 2015 #41

I think so, too. The movement Bernie has started will continue, even if he should Cal33 Aug 2015 #44

We can elect Dems to the senate but the house.... MaggieD Aug 2015 #52

If Bernie can't kick Republican ass as president, it won't be for lack of trying. Nobody Cal33 Aug 2015 #82

No question about it nevergiveup Aug 2015 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author PotatoChip Aug 2015 #56

I agree, Bernie's impact will be unmistakable and there won't be a second warning Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #58

sorry Robbins Aug 2015 #75

It depends on how close the race is, If it's within a very few percentage points Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #79

It all depends upon how the primaries go and how long he waits to concede to Clinton.... George II Aug 2015 #59

When are people going to get the fact that Vermont does not have party affiliations??? mak3cats Aug 2015 #63

Then how do you explain Patrick Leahy? Cali_Democrat Aug 2015 #72

When are people going to stop saying that Vermont doesn't have party affilliations? It's just... George II Aug 2015 #73

Will you please stop spreading facts all over DU? Cali_Democrat Aug 2015 #78

In voting, there is no party registration in Vermont... mak3cats Aug 2015 #91

Thanks for your frankness....I appreciate that. George II Aug 2015 #105

Bernie has two VERY good reason for running for POTUS as a Democrat. staggerleem Aug 2015 #113

I'm Still Trying to Figure Out . . . Gamecock Lefty Aug 2015 #60

See my reply to George II at #63. (eom) mak3cats Aug 2015 #65

this is simple and so basic a 7 year old could grasp it easily cali Aug 2015 #71

Is that why his fellow Senator (a Democrat), the current Governor (a Democrat), the current mayor... George II Aug 2015 #114

Empty platitudes are not going to be accepted any longer. arcane1 Aug 2015 #62

bernie's endorsements will matter. mopinko Aug 2015 #66

Agree Frances Aug 2015 #76

If Hillary wins the Democratic nomination? 90-percent Aug 2015 #90

Julian Castro, I think. He has been deliberately groomed for it. That is why tblue37 Aug 2015 #94

He and Warren can team up and do some real good! nt tblue37 Aug 2015 #93

I'll wet myself if that ever happens d_legendary1 Aug 2015 #96

No--I don't want Warren on the ticket. She can do much more as a tblue37 Aug 2015 #97

If he goes back to the senate d_legendary1 Aug 2015 #101

Bernie's talking about a political revolution... raindaddy Aug 2015 #99

i agree with you about sanders restorefreedom Aug 2015 #102

If H not B ORjohn Aug 2015 #103

Then the whole Senate will still be of this "oligarchy." treestar Aug 2015 #122

I wish we could end this false meme: Utopian Leftist Aug 2015 #117

Only if the ThirdWayDNC crowd gets the boot MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #119

I think we will see a a very big group of Bernie-like congressional candidates Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #127

No. It won't. But I will still be called an extremist. mmonk Aug 2015 #135