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39. Go team!

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Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:00 PM

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I'm a progressive and I support Hillary. It's pretty simple. [View all] DanTex Aug 2015 OP

Yea, but Bernie wants a revolution. leftofcool Aug 2015 #1

Hillary loves wallstreet and will change nothing! Nt Logical Aug 2015 #3

Someday they will legalize marriage between banks and Clintons. Agschmid Aug 2015 #6

So let's just sleepwalk through another 8 years and fiddle as Rome continues to burn Armstead Aug 2015 #56

So you dont mind a less progressive candidate, i understand now, carry on. Nt Logical Aug 2015 #2

That's correct. There are multiple factors, and also diminishing returns to progressiveness. DanTex Aug 2015 #5

Your stance is clear, settle. Nt Logical Aug 2015 #7

A little more complicated than that, but I guess that's as far as you can understand. DanTex Aug 2015 #8

No, that is what you said, you will settle for a less progressive candidate because... Logical Aug 2015 #13

That's a sensible philosophy brooklynite Aug 2015 #24

You lost me at "mainstream" nt Logical Aug 2015 #29

More like 10 to 20 percent Armstead Aug 2015 #58

A pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-environment, pro-immigration, anti-Bush Tax Cuts Democrat? brooklynite Aug 2015 #60

An enabler of the mindset that the economy and policy only needs a few tweaks.... Armstead Aug 2015 #62

As I've said before, show me a compelling argument as to how Sanders wins a national election... brooklynite Aug 2015 #65

I look forward to your eventual support n/t hootinholler Aug 2015 #77

In 2008, I switched from Clinton to Obama when I became convinced he had a path to victory... brooklynite Aug 2015 #79

Thankfully so hootinholler Aug 2015 #86

It's a gamble with any candidate Armstead Aug 2015 #93

It is possible to push in that direction in steps.... Armstead Aug 2015 #57

I'm a liberal, not a socialist MaggieD Aug 2015 #36

Everyone's a socialist. Garrett78 Aug 2015 #63

Yes you are, but maybe you work on wall street which i would understand. Nt Logical Aug 2015 #74

Everyone decides for him or herself. Don't let anyone tell you MineralMan Aug 2015 #4

She is a regressive ibegurpard Aug 2015 #9

That's crazy. DanTex Aug 2015 #10

the ACA ibegurpard Aug 2015 #16

The ACA is a historic piece of social legislation. DanTex Aug 2015 #19

The ACA funnels PUBLIC money to PRIVATE insurance companies ibegurpard Aug 2015 #23

Who cares, given the dramatic results it's having? DanTex Aug 2015 #25

it has not lowered healthcare costs ibegurpard Aug 2015 #27

It has reduced the growth rate of healthcare costs. Which is what it was designed to do. DanTex Aug 2015 #28

your analogy is garbage ibegurpard Aug 2015 #31

Yes, ACA subsidies buy health insurance. Which is a great thing to have. DanTex Aug 2015 #33

your analogy was garbage ibegurpard Aug 2015 #37

No it wasn't. It was a good one. The government gives subsidies to lower income people DanTex Aug 2015 #46

having people pay directly for healthcare IS a bad idea ibegurpard Aug 2015 #47

Yes, that's why people need health insurance. DanTex Aug 2015 #49

we have nothing now ibegurpard Aug 2015 #52

What are you talking about? DanTex Aug 2015 #54

insurance coverage is not healthcare. ibegurpard Aug 2015 #59

These costs cant go down until you revise the system from the bottom up. randys1 Aug 2015 #30

you never get support for that ibegurpard Aug 2015 #32

ACA improved the system, period. Long ways to go, but if you cant see that then randys1 Aug 2015 #35

it will never happen ibegurpard Aug 2015 #38

Negotiations? You misunderstand, there would be NO health insurance companies. randys1 Aug 2015 #43

It adds unnecessary layers of complexity, does not stop rates from rising.... Armstead Aug 2015 #61

we already have an existing solution in place ibegurpard Aug 2015 #64

I totally agree Armstead Aug 2015 #66

You're right, mostly. It does add an extra layer in there. DanTex Aug 2015 #80

Personally I'm fine with a hybrid Armstead Aug 2015 #87

Obama didn't have the votes for a public option MaggieD Aug 2015 #40

And that in a nuthell is the problem Armstead Aug 2015 #67

That's right.. Pres Obama did not have the votes. BS said so himself. They couldn't even get single Cha Aug 2015 #89

Great sub-thread on the "all or nothing" issue. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #85

Her campaign has Wall Street watchdogs, and Nobel liberal economists. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #12

her campaign has Wall Street insiders ibegurpard Aug 2015 #17

No, she has actual Wall Street watchdogs on her campaign: SonderWoman Aug 2015 #41

Blinder ' s the one who undercut her "tough talk" ibegurpard Aug 2015 #50

... and a vampire with a cape :rolleyes: uponit7771 Aug 2015 #92

I'm a liberal and I support the DNC nominee. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #11

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #14

I wouldn't call Hillary a progressive Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #15

It's hard to call her anything but progressive based on her stances on issues. DanTex Aug 2015 #20

I guess we differ so we shall see when the time comes Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #88

Of course she is a progressive MaggieD Aug 2015 #42

You forgot your astrological sign whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #18

"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #21

I am so glad you have finally decided artislife Aug 2015 #22

Yeah no shit ibegurpard Aug 2015 #26

That's exactly how I see Bernie supporters MaggieD Aug 2015 #44

Jury results Blue_Adept Aug 2015 #76

I always loved Hillary. Glad to be 100 percent behind her campaign to be our next president. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #34

Go team! ibegurpard Aug 2015 #39

Ditto MaggieD Aug 2015 #45

+1 leftofcool Aug 2015 #90

K&R mcar Aug 2015 #48

I am a progressive and I support Hillary Clinton Gothmog Aug 2015 #51

Maybe but I doubt it HassleCat Aug 2015 #53

Everyone can call themselves a progressive. sadoldgirl Aug 2015 #55

FDR and Lincoln not progressives dsc Aug 2015 #72

I would posit that voting in the primary for the candidate that conventional wisdom says "can win" Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #68

Every strength is attacked, no matter the candidate Blue_Adept Aug 2015 #75

Obviouly based on the reaction it's not quite that simple n/t Armstead Aug 2015 #69

I do not think HRC is our strongest candidate Recursion Aug 2015 #70

I like O'Malley a lot, and he's more electable than Bernie. DanTex Aug 2015 #81

Any D candidate gets hit with "raising taxes" out of the gate Recursion Aug 2015 #83

That is true. And I agree, I'd be happy to vote for any of them. DanTex Aug 2015 #84

K N' R ericson00 Aug 2015 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Aug 2015 #73

You're entitled to your opinions. lovemydog Aug 2015 #78

I understand. I supported Hillary early on for the same reasons. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #82

Trash false thread. n/t PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #91

Sanders beat Trump 59-38 in that CNN poll jfern Aug 2015 #94

"the outcome of a Hillary presidency... will be minimal." YUP. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #95