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SonderWoman

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1. "We should transfer the money we as a nation now spend on health care and education into one big pot

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Fri Aug 21, 2015, 04:04 PM

Aug 2015

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How will Bernie pay for his plans for example, for single payer insurance and free college for [View all] JDPriestly Aug 2015 OP

"We should transfer the money we as a nation now spend on health care and education into one big pot SonderWoman Aug 2015 #1

Not just the money paid by the federal government, but the money paid by the private sector. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #3

It's why I moved to Cali when I was eighteen passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #52

Yes. Back when I went to school, it was possible to work, live in a co-op dorm (don't know JDPriestly Aug 2015 #54

Did you hear Bernie's answer to that tonight... YvonneCa Aug 2015 #65

That was how he was supposed to pay for infrastructure. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #83

My husband thinks that a penny or two on the speed-trading or fast trading that is done JDPriestly Aug 2015 #86

He always said this is how he would pay for college education. Where did he say he would use sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #105

Who gets to go to Berkeley, and who gets to go to San Jose City College? LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #77

Same process as now. Who gets to go to Yale, Harvard, MIT, CalTech, etc. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #87

Slight Error NWProf Aug 2015 #43

Thanks for explaining this. Great post. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #88

A big chunk of the Department of Justice is the Drug War. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #49

By getting the Mexicans to pay for it instead of Trump's wall! jberryhill Aug 2015 #2

I can't speak to the accuracy of the numbers here, Maedhros Aug 2015 #4

won't they have to pay hill2016 Aug 2015 #5

Yes, but you can "back-load" taxes. jeff47 Aug 2015 #9

so why not hill2016 Aug 2015 #13

Because just loading all student tuition costs into the tax burden is simpler. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #21

Sign me up...... daleanime Aug 2015 #33

A Progressive Income Tax like we had in the 60s would fix that. bvar22 Aug 2015 #10

That's how I went to college and it worked. My baby born in 1988 is working Autumn Aug 2015 #23

OH GASP! NOT HIGHER TAXES!!! Maedhros Aug 2015 #17

Amen..... daleanime Aug 2015 #35

Thanks. We foot the bill in Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Pakistan so that multi-national JDPriestly Aug 2015 #7

We went into debt to pay for the useless wars, we did not pay for the wars. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #15

Yes. That is my point pretty much. We are already paying most of the health costs. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #24

Well...we did it when the Boomers were kids. jeff47 Aug 2015 #12

I paid tuition, but it was not comparable to the tuition charged today. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #25

"We already PAY for Single Payer. bvar22 Aug 2015 #6

Precisely! JDPriestly Aug 2015 #8

Not just that, but Medicare/Medicaid pay less per patient than private insurance. jeff47 Aug 2015 #11

There it is folks, JEB Aug 2015 #16

And think of all the savings from having one insurance for all. Curmudgeoness Aug 2015 #22

Wih the mergers in the health insurance industry we'll have single payer Armstead Aug 2015 #34

We could pay for everything with the$ 23 trillion that is unaccounted for at the Pentagon emsimon33 Aug 2015 #14

Yes salimbag Aug 2015 #19

We save with Medicare for All this way MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #18

Thanks. You explain it so well. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #40

I've been sort of an insider for years... MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #85

Yes and I love your cats! Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #78

Thanks� and unlike Medicare for all... MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #84

Thank you for this post! kenfrequed Aug 2015 #20

Yes. The disparity of wealth makes all of these measures appropriate. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #28

K&R turbinetree Aug 2015 #26

People act like higher taxes would be a bad thing Curmudgeoness Aug 2015 #27

Thanks. Plus you would not have people who really don't know what they are doing buying JDPriestly Aug 2015 #30

That penny per fast trade is incredible. Curmudgeoness Aug 2015 #41

I came up with a quick plan. It can be improved and tuned, but it is a decent start. 4lbs Aug 2015 #29

There's a lot more not being collected in taxes to use Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #80

Correct. Also, by increasing taxes on the wealthy, eliminating the cap on SS taxes, and closing 4lbs Aug 2015 #100

The simplest answer when people wonder, "How will you pay for it?" Stevepol Aug 2015 #31

Thanks. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #42

Sounds almost like Cheney when he said the Iraq war would pay for itself, or.... George II Aug 2015 #32

All other developed countries and some that are not so developed have single payer insurance. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #50

Excellent post and discussion! ms liberty Aug 2015 #36

I have run into people who have bought the lie that the rich are not "that" rich. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #37

The biggest problem is being stuck on stupid and greed. TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #38

Vermont failed--and you want the rest of the nation to fail, too? It has been tried and they can't MADem Aug 2015 #39

They tried to do too much too fast, and in a small state Armstead Aug 2015 #45

Excellent points. Thank you. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #51

Step One--control costs. Step Two--REDUCE costs. Step Three-Reduce expensive interactions; MADem Aug 2015 #59

Agreed. Nurse practitioners can do so much. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #90

A single small state faces many obstacles, the prime one being that the Federal Government PoliticAverse Aug 2015 #76

I guess I need to do more research on the VT plan, Curmudgeoness Aug 2015 #46

This article details some of the stumbling blocks--it was a plan with a four year roll-out. MADem Aug 2015 #58

Does anyone expect to have universal health care without higher taxes? Curmudgeoness Aug 2015 #66

I don't think anyone--especially poor and middle class people--expect their taxes to be nearly MADem Aug 2015 #72

We have had a trial run since 1966. Curmudgeoness Aug 2015 #75

Don't read the links, then. It doesn't matter to me. I rather doubt that the Democratic governor MADem Aug 2015 #82

Obamacare is much better than what we had before. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #92

Well, we know who to blame for that--and it's not Democrats. nt MADem Aug 2015 #99

For sure. I was happy to see that Bernie drew a couple of good crowds in South Carolina. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #101

So now we're going to Steve Forbes' little magazine for insight and wisdom Armstead Aug 2015 #68

Here, try this if you don't like that source. MADem Aug 2015 #70

In Europe, we paid relatively high taxes, but we did not mind because we got so much of our tax JDPriestly Aug 2015 #91

It's not a hive mind mentality over there, either. Some feel that NHS is letting down the side. MADem Aug 2015 #93

Actually, hospitals that serve a lot of indigent people want to cut costs. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #110

Medicare does it well. I don't think an individual state can do it well. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #47

VT was supposed to be the test platform, just as MA was the test platform for RomneyCare. MADem Aug 2015 #56

I also lived in the UK pre-Thatcher. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #94

We're seeing shitty values over there, too, along with gaps in funding. The rich get richer, the MADem Aug 2015 #97

3 ideas about cutting costs. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #111

No, VT gave in to cowardice after the 2014 election. jeff47 Aug 2015 #62

No. They knew that nearly tripling taxes was suicide. If you call that "cowardice" you've got MADem Aug 2015 #63

It was entirely coincidental that they suddenly did the math after the 2014 election. jeff47 Aug 2015 #64

That's just uninformed excuse-making. They started trying to make it work five years ago. MADem Aug 2015 #69

Oregon has seriously decreased the number of its residents who are not insured. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #109

cut the military budget and tax the rich - next problem? lame54 Aug 2015 #44

And you expect Lockheed Martin (creator of the F-35, cough) to stand by and say nothing? MADem Aug 2015 #61

The idea is to remove the grip they have. How do you do that? Armstead Aug 2015 #67

You'd do better to work to take back the House, then. MADem Aug 2015 #73

You agree with Sanders Armstead Aug 2015 #106

All industries in the US are on a glide path to become smaller than they were before WWII. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #95

Colleges should stop forcing freshmen who live 28 miles from the school to live on campus MADem Aug 2015 #98

I agree about students being required to live on campus during the first year. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #103

They did through sequestration and everyone had a fit yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #81

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #48

K&R! n/t Catherina Aug 2015 #53

We could move the extra cost of medical coverage insurance Delmette Aug 2015 #55

Precisely. With universal single payer insurance, the injuries that cause long-term health-care JDPriestly Aug 2015 #112

K&R abelenkpe Aug 2015 #57

Great post! nt Zorra Aug 2015 #60

Not my problem to figure it out--I just want them jcboon Aug 2015 #71

Its not the money madokie Aug 2015 #74

How do we pay for endless wars and nation building in other countries? Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #79

I share your concern and hopes for this nation postatomic Aug 2015 #89

Good question. I looked on his website and did not find one but if I do, I will post it. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #96

heres a summary Armstead Aug 2015 #102

Thank you postatomic Aug 2015 #108

Exactly. Kucinich had a great oneliner about paying for universal health care eridani Aug 2015 #104

We already pay three times as much for healthcare as any other country, per capita Doctor_J Aug 2015 #107