2016 Postmortem

last1standing

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99. Then you should listen to those of us with real, valid concerns about Hillary's advocacy.

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 04:54 PM

Aug 2015

I'm not saying you should change your support, but you need to understand that not all of us forget being told we weren't as good as "normal" people to Hillary - a view that didn't change until 2013. Some of us don't trust her with our rights because she wasn't there for us when we actually needed her.

I don't trust Hillary's sudden conversion. Would you trust Santorum to fight for women's rights if he suddenly came out and supported them?

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If Hillary "evolved" on gay rights shortly after majority opinion did... [View all] last1standing Aug 2015 OP

Another post suggesting Hillary is just an extension of her husband. leftofcool Aug 2015 #1

Another response evading an answer. last1standing Aug 2015 #3

Sexist hogwash is not worth answering. leftofcool Aug 2015 #6

LOL! In that case, homophobic responses aren't worth taking seriously. last1standing Aug 2015 #10

Right or wrong, I don't see what it has to do with her husband or sexism. pangaia Aug 2015 #115

I don't see "sexist". 840high Aug 2015 #144

Another rediculous OP. Agschmid Aug 2015 #146

how is the op suggesting she's an extension of Bill? cali Aug 2015 #13

Well, since Hillary was still touting the 'sanctity of marriage' as a defense against supporting sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #23

I suggest that Bill was always an extension of Hillary. Old Union Guy Aug 2015 #94

I don't Duckhunter935 Aug 2015 #2

She can only 'evolve' within the bounds of her benefactors largesse. eom NorthCarolina Aug 2015 #4

I don't think that's fair. It's true that not only did she show no leadership cali Aug 2015 #5

I think we can. last1standing Aug 2015 #7

When did she say God thought less of gay people? OKNancy Aug 2015 #9

When she said that marriage was between a man and a woman. last1standing Aug 2015 #11

I actually posted an article in my other post in this thread OKNancy Aug 2015 #16

If it wasn't for religious reasons, what other reason would she oppose marriage equality? last1standing Aug 2015 #17

Yes, you are right, Hillary is religious as is Obama OKNancy Aug 2015 #37

No offense, but it hit a little closer to home for me. last1standing Aug 2015 #45

Clearly Obama was terrible on LGBT issues... Agschmid Aug 2015 #148

The problem with this OP is that you are not looking at politics as it actually functions. Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #74

The fact is, we have a candidate who opposed marriage equality two years ago. last1standing Aug 2015 #78

That depends on why she evolved so late, since 2013 when she was still using the sanctity of marriag sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #30

Hillary changed her opinion as did the mass of the American people OKNancy Aug 2015 #8

And some of us were arguing that position was codifying inferiority then as well. last1standing Aug 2015 #14

she changed her mind after the majority of Americans did. cali Aug 2015 #18

of course you leave out dsc Aug 2015 #136

Yup. Agschmid Aug 2015 #150

Your attempt to spam this thread took it over 150 and back to the top of the lastest page. last1standing Aug 2015 #155

Spam... Agschmid Aug 2015 #159

Lol. Thanks again. last1standing Aug 2015 #160

Well it would be nice... Agschmid Aug 2015 #161

We finally agree on something. last1standing Aug 2015 #162

We agree on a lot actually... Agschmid Aug 2015 #164

Then you're a fan of ridiculous OPs as well? last1standing Aug 2015 #165

Ha that's one of the things we DON'T have in common. Agschmid Aug 2015 #166

Oh well, no one's perfect. last1standing Aug 2015 #167

I hope that doesn't happen. Agschmid Aug 2015 #168

Primaries are rough. last1standing Aug 2015 #169

Primaries are rough, I wasn't here. Agschmid Aug 2015 #171

I was a Dean supporter being told I was a hippie dreamer in 2004... last1standing Aug 2015 #175

I loved Dean. Agschmid Aug 2015 #178

Too far ahead of his time. last1standing Aug 2015 #182

Lol! We did hit 175! last1standing Aug 2015 #180

Glad we worked our shit out too... Agschmid Aug 2015 #181

Lol. Just between you and me... last1standing Aug 2015 #184

If nobody ever changed their minds there would still be no gay marriage. Xipe Totec Aug 2015 #12

I expect our leaders to be in the front of civil rights issues. last1standing Aug 2015 #20

I look forward to your candidacy. nt Xipe Totec Aug 2015 #22

I look forward to yours since you seem to believe we can't discuss issues without running for office last1standing Aug 2015 #51

I'm no leader, and I don't pretend to be one. nt Xipe Totec Aug 2015 #52

Then why do I have to run for office to have an opinion when you don't? last1standing Aug 2015 #58

And if everyone waited until AFTER courageous people stood up against the opposition to it, sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #36

I admire your enthusiasm. nt Xipe Totec Aug 2015 #48

Irrelevant for the people to be enthusiastic about an important issue if their leaders sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #53

Are you trying to bore me into submission? nt Xipe Totec Aug 2015 #56

If you are bored by a discussion of Civil Rights I can't help that. I find it a fascinating and most sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #59

LGBT rights bore you? last1standing Aug 2015 #60

I can't predict Hillary's actions or judge her sincerity. However, I know many people Arkansas Granny Aug 2015 #15

And that's the problem. We SHOULD be able to judge the sincerity on major issues of those we choose sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #38

sad to hear you didn't vote for obama as he "evolved" at the same time as hillary nt msongs Aug 2015 #19

wrong. he came out in support before she did. cali Aug 2015 #21

You're ignoring her work at the State Dept. on equal rights for employees. Metric System Aug 2015 #25

I'm not ignoring them. I'm stating some hard facts. last1standing Aug 2015 #31

no, it's just not germane as to when she came out for marriage equality. cali Aug 2015 #33

I don't think any national Democratic figures showed leadership on it. I'm sure we all remember Metric System Aug 2015 #40

But she didn't support marriage equality then. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #34

Yes, he did. And it was just as heinous. last1standing Aug 2015 #27

Please stop with these divisive OPs. TheBlackAdder Aug 2015 #24

This is a political discussion forum. last1standing Aug 2015 #35

Then have a discussion and post it is an educational manner. Your excuse holds no water. TheBlackAdder Aug 2015 #41

Ok. You've expressed your demands on how I post. last1standing Aug 2015 #43

I'm sure you will, confusing the word 'demand.' Have an especially wonderful day! Loves and Hugs! nt TheBlackAdder Aug 2015 #46

Did you ask? last1standing Aug 2015 #57

Please post the exact 'demand' I had made. I do not see it. TheBlackAdder Aug 2015 #82

*sigh* "Then have a discussion and post it is an educational manner." last1standing Aug 2015 #83

No, that's not a demand. Nice obfuscation from the topic discussed. TheBlackAdder Aug 2015 #85

No obfuscation. You lectured, I responded. Then we went off on a nice little tangent. last1standing Aug 2015 #92

After they made a demand :P TheFarS1de Aug 2015 #126

It wasn't a demand! It was a negative request. last1standing Aug 2015 #140

We know what the deal is, as most here. nt TheBlackAdder Aug 2015 #142

This message was self-deleted by its author last1standing Aug 2015 #55

This. Agschmid Aug 2015 #153

Ask yourself if the Democratic Party would allow itself to go backwards. oasis Aug 2015 #26

It certainly has in economic issues. last1standing Aug 2015 #29

If America begins going back on social issues, heaven help us. oasis Aug 2015 #42

Exactly! I want someone in office who will stand up for what's right. last1standing Aug 2015 #47

the same way we trusted Obama even tho he evolved ericson00 Aug 2015 #28

it's about leadership, or rather her lack of it in the fight for marriage equality. cali Aug 2015 #39

"I just know John Kerry will invade Iran and bring back the draft." DU'er circa 2004 emulatorloo Aug 2015 #32

Evolution has no direction and is neither progressive or regressive. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #44

Like electricity, it takes the path of least resistance. last1standing Aug 2015 #49

Exactly. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #50

Well, I've said it before and I'll say it again... PatrickforO Aug 2015 #54

Yep. I'm hearing a lot of excuses for Hillary's poll driven stances... last1standing Aug 2015 #62

xactly 840high Aug 2015 #149

anyone that actually wants a serious conversation about this, a thread dsc explores with facts. seabeyond Aug 2015 #61

LOL! That wasn't fact, it was a poorly written opinion from a minor blog. last1standing Aug 2015 #63

there are plenty of facts thru out thread. i am not attacking sanders, clinton is not my candidate. seabeyond Aug 2015 #64

Now you think you're educated? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #65

no, really. the better way to argue is one insult after another. personally, i valued the seabeyond Aug 2015 #66

Like I said, if you had facts you'd post them. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #67

That's exactly what they did with Bernie's record on rights for people of color. last1standing Aug 2015 #70

Thank you for taking up the fight. I'm so tired of this. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #73

Oh, you mean when Bernie marched with MLK? leftofcool Aug 2015 #76

If I respond, are you going to call me a sexist again? last1standing Aug 2015 #77

wow, hon, now you're a spokesperson for BLM? cali Aug 2015 #84

You speak for BLM ? TheFarS1de Aug 2015 #132

Yes, they do and Hillary's failing according to this chart: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #170

+1 cali Aug 2015 #72

So please tell us what "facts" you learned from that "serious discussion." last1standing Aug 2015 #68

lol. I love irony. cali Aug 2015 #71

unbelievable that you'd support such shit.... oh, wait. it's you. cali Aug 2015 #69

i listen to lbgt. seabeyond Aug 2015 #89

You listen to specific LGBT people who affirm what you want to believe. last1standing Aug 2015 #93

well, here is the thing in the listening. lbgt is more aware of the history and path of our seabeyond Aug 2015 #95

Then you should listen to those of us with real, valid concerns about Hillary's advocacy. last1standing Aug 2015 #99

i do listen, and i do hear, and i do understand. that is the case with AA too, and campaign 2008. seabeyond Aug 2015 #105

This is the only post in which I'll veer from the OP. last1standing Aug 2015 #113

cool, your support of sanders. Omalley is probably ahead of everyone in all this and still seabeyond Aug 2015 #116

Another lie. He was not only campaigning on economic justice. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #114

just stop with the name calling and insults. seabeyond Aug 2015 #117

No one called you names or insulted you. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #119

whatever. accusing me of being a constant victim was purely about insult, but wtf, right? seabeyond Aug 2015 #122

Then prove your claims instead of changing the subject and complaining about how unfair it all is beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #128

Don't hold your breath. 840high Aug 2015 #152

I'm not short circuit Aug 2015 #174

No name calling or insults were done. short circuit Aug 2015 #172

8 eight days ago, I PMed her 3 videos of Bernie (starting ONE WEEK after his campaign announcement) where he Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #156

You don't say...isn't that interesting. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #157

Sure... Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #158

Thanks. Now we can all link back to this thread. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #163

yep, definitely bookmarkable short circuit Aug 2015 #176

And others too. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #177

You didn't finish your research. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #186

Only the ones who say what you want to hear about your candidate. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #96

slanderous!!!! i tell you. simply not true. i do look at the facts provided to me though. seabeyond Aug 2015 #97

You're not citing "facts". You're using smears to slander a champion of lgbt rights. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #101

the info isnt for you, i keep saying. others read, and they can decide seabeyond Aug 2015 #107

It isn't info any more than that fox news story you keep complaining about. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #109

and btw, the link is from a very fair poster who is a strong sander supporter. just as bravenak was seabeyond Aug 2015 #98

Stop bringing blm into this because you can't back up your bullshit about lgbt support. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #103

i wont do what you demand. you do not decide what i post or what i discuss. really? wow. seabeyond Aug 2015 #108

I'm calling you on your bullshit whether you like it or not. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #112

no. you demanded what i was allowed and not allowed to post seabeyond Aug 2015 #118

Keep posting false claims and you'll keep getting called on it. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #125

Read this. . short circuit Aug 2015 #179

I don't trust Hillary on any issue bigwillq Aug 2015 #75

I trust her to charge even more in speaking fees in the future. last1standing Aug 2015 #79

... 840high Aug 2015 #154

I'm gay, I support Bernie and I think you don't have a good grasp on history, Hillary or any of it. Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #80

I'm sorry that you're gay and don't think I have a good grasp on history, Hillary or any of it. last1standing Aug 2015 #81

You did not even bother to read what I wrote nor did you respond to it. That's rude. Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #86

It was far less rude than your either of your responses to me. last1standing Aug 2015 #87

Except that I have not said you are making anything up so why are you Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #88

I suggest we not continue this exchange. last1standing Aug 2015 #90

Welcome to the entire Bill Clinton administration jfern Aug 2015 #91

Proud to have marched with her in the Pride Parade and proud she evolved. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #100

You trust her because she walked in a parade? last1standing Aug 2015 #102

I trust that she sees me as a human being with rights. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #104

I'll ask again. Did you trust her when she was saying you didn't deserve marriage? last1standing Aug 2015 #106

No i am not a good advocate for HRC. I think I have said that before. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #110

Here is one of my many problems with that. last1standing Aug 2015 #120

Well we disagree. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #121

Yes, but I have laid out exactly why I disagree with you. last1standing Aug 2015 #124

I decline to. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #129

I think that renders your original post moot, but that's your call. last1standing Aug 2015 #131

Have to say I did enjoy the conversation between you and hrmjustin short circuit Aug 2015 #183

Thanks. last1standing Aug 2015 #185

Bwahahahahahahahha!!!!!! JoePhilly Aug 2015 #111

She didn't evolve. She never had a problem with gay marriage. Vattel Aug 2015 #123

I think you're absolutely correct. last1standing Aug 2015 #130

We all 'evolved', in our own way. What a 'change' from when President Obama first took office; Sunlei Aug 2015 #127

So how can we trust that she won't "evolve" again if the polls change? last1standing Aug 2015 #133

How do you trust President Obama won't 'evolve' again? Sunlei Aug 2015 #134

I don't. last1standing Aug 2015 #135

well thats a shame because without all the changes President Obama worked for, things would be Sunlei Aug 2015 #137

And those changes took place because the polls changed, not because Obama stood up for us. last1standing Aug 2015 #138

I don't agree with you at all. Sunlei Aug 2015 #139

Nothing wrong with disagreement. last1standing Aug 2015 #141

Good question. 840high Aug 2015 #143

Because Hillary was always more liberal than the voters treestar Aug 2015 #145

I have a suggestion... Agschmid Aug 2015 #147

During the primaries d_legendary1 Aug 2015 #173

No going back HassleCat Aug 2015 #151