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Sanders quickly makes changes when challenged b y BLM. Clinton wags her finger. Who's out of step? [View all] Armstead Aug 2015 OP

Oh her performance was masterful doncha know... ibegurpard Aug 2015 #1

To say nothing of that tea bag plant they sprung on Bernie forest444 Aug 2015 #60

Even if she was an agent provocateur U of M Dem Aug 2015 #112

frankly I think it backfired: FB and Twitter were immediately *deluged* with CSPAN videos on YouTube MisterP Aug 2015 #121

You're absolutely right. forest444 Aug 2015 #140

dunno, there's not that big a favorability gap race-wise: it's more that there's a separate MisterP Aug 2015 #141

This smear attempt was just that... An attempt. U of M Dem Aug 2015 #162

maybe it was targeted at Whites? MisterP Aug 2015 #170

The message was still important, though. And he responded to it. n/t eridani Aug 2015 #204

You just don't get it whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #2

Head scratchingly weird Armstead Aug 2015 #3

Oh but ... staggerleem Aug 2015 #237

Well it's true! LondonReign2 Aug 2015 #9

Yep it's like that whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #12

Not delusion, IMO LondonReign2 Aug 2015 #15

I see your point whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #26

The most extreme who do it are radiating hatred, not objective (or deliberately false) criticism passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #68

After enough abuse, you learn to be careful about trusting "strangers." senz Aug 2015 #24

+1 whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #40

Well, if he's just an unkown white guy, somone forgot to tell those huge masses of rally attendees Bubzer Aug 2015 #53

The MSM ignore him. We know about him from online, lefty media, and word of mouth. senz Aug 2015 #64

I've noticed when members of AA communities discover Bernie's history in marching next to MLK jr... Bubzer Aug 2015 #91

You are probably correct but Bill and Hillary are also well known for the jwirr Aug 2015 #61

Not everyone is a political junkie. Most people work off "impressions." senz Aug 2015 #71

But we are talking about black people and other people of color. They jwirr Aug 2015 #187

Bernie voted for some of those same laws... None of these guys can throw a stone uponit7771 Aug 2015 #226

I don't think Bernie is our best bet... Other than say a bunch of stuff that should be obvious he's uponit7771 Aug 2015 #225

She has the same problem with the Rs. Of course she would just triangulate jwirr Aug 2015 #228

HRC was being real with what she can do. BS is saying what they wish he could accomplish. kelliekat44 Aug 2015 #36

Clinton/Sanders would be the ultimate whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #39

Exactly. People need to understand president/vice-president senz Aug 2015 #54

Yup whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #55

Not really. Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #41

I think Bernie needs to avoid Third Way running mate if nominated... cascadiance Aug 2015 #49

Isn't it insane that you talk about assassination and I nod my head in agreement. This Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #52

Well, some of us remember JFK, RFK, MLK ... senz Aug 2015 #90

Yes we do don't we... zeemike Aug 2015 #108

Yep. It was tumultous but still "America." Then Reaganomics happened. senz Aug 2015 #118

telling them that they must tell her what policies are needed hardly qualifies as magical thyme Aug 2015 #58

this this this^^^^^ wendylaroux Aug 2015 #86

+1000 senz Aug 2015 #133

You inspired me to go to the site and make a better image. HappyPlace Aug 2015 #164

You should make that into an op. Their list is very detailed. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #169

well done! great job, thank you! magical thyme Aug 2015 #180

I'm pro Bernie, but I'd have to admit a certain ammount of curiosity at a Sanders/Clinton ticket. Bubzer Aug 2015 #77

Are you trying to offend? kenfrequed Aug 2015 #83

Right!!! Sanders isn't saying how he's going to get past the Republican congress uponit7771 Aug 2015 #227

If Hillary wins I do not want Bernie as her vp. We need his voice in the jwirr Aug 2015 #229

As Rumsfeld said, they MAKE the news to be reported by their 'noise-machine', Joe Chi Minh Aug 2015 #42

I wouldn't call 40+ years of human rights work a problem. Bubzer Aug 2015 #51

Like Obama with LGBT in 2008. ieoeja Aug 2015 #117

Yep...that's pretty much it. noiretextatique Aug 2015 #190

No, Bernie continued to speak over the BLM and left the stage, he did not Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #4

No maybe Bernie can be grouchy when yelled at Armstead Aug 2015 #6

So you think it is ok for Bernie to be grouchy, it is not healing his problem. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #7

Yes it's okay. Not what I would recommend but I'd do the ame thing Armstead Aug 2015 #8

Then perhaps your opinion of Hillary meeting with BLM wasn't handled badly, it might be better to Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #14

Hillary's little, polite, private get together was a hoot. No shouting at her onstage! jalan48 Aug 2015 #25

All you seem to want to do is spin kenfrequed Aug 2015 #95

Since I did not start the op perhaps addressing someone else would be better, the spin would Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #104

You noticed that too eh? MoveIt Aug 2015 #217

MY OP was in response to seeing contiinued claims and innuendo along those lines Armstead Aug 2015 #126

Bernie is not "grouchy." Another false meme. senz Aug 2015 #34

I expect they'll call him a 'sore winner man' next. Joe Chi Minh Aug 2015 #43

Winner of what? Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #127

The nomination .... TheFarS1de Aug 2015 #148

The DNC nominee will be a Democrat. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #174

Yes, all being above board, it seems he has a very fair chance of Joe Chi Minh Aug 2015 #215

I would not count on Bernie winning the nomination,he lacks in some serious matters. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #216

Appealingly grouchy.... Armstead Aug 2015 #128

Well, grouchy sounds ill-tempered & a bit hostile. Bernie's not like that. senz Aug 2015 #136

Well since we bsically both want him to win i won't quibble Armstead Aug 2015 #139

The man is running for President of the United States. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #198

I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer Armstead Aug 2015 #200

You just did. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #201

If you wish to take my non answer as an answer, be my guest Armstead Aug 2015 #203

Absolute bullshit whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #11

Opinions have already been made in this matter, keeping it in the spot light is not soothing to a Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #18

It's put back in the spotlight by Hillary supporters 24/7 whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #22

Provide the links Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #62

Seriously? whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #69

They were asshats! End of story. pocoloco Aug 2015 #38

Bernie is the best on "this point." The best. And you know it. senz Aug 2015 #76

He stepped back from the mic. He did not leave the stage. senz Aug 2015 #73

Thinkingabout whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #82

Yeah, excuse me for talking while you're interrupting. yodermon Aug 2015 #17

His problem remains. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #20

No. Yours does. I watched his speech in whitesville NH today. In that bastion of albino, he spoke Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #45

+1 LiberalLovinLug Aug 2015 #84

I do not have a problem, if he wants to correct the issues with minorities then he will work on it Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #103

perhaps we should send Secretary Clinton ibegurpard Aug 2015 #23

UNTRUE. Bernie remained on stage, with his wife, and bowed his head senz Aug 2015 #28

He appointed a BLM activist as his press secretary noiretextatique Aug 2015 #191

After Seattle, he missed opportunity after NN, O'Malley met with them after NN. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #192

bullshit eom noiretextatique Sep 2015 #261

Yes it is bullshit, he mussed an opportunity. Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #262

I was wondering about this too..... beerandjesus Aug 2015 #5

Hillary sat down with BLM for a discussion. Bernie walks off the stage. leftofcool Aug 2015 #10

Hillary got her ring kissed. whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #13

Because if there's one thing you do around someone under Secret Service protection NuclearDem Aug 2015 #27

Convenient excuse whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #48

And cancelled his meeting with BLM. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #16

If you have any proof at all of what you're claiming, please provide a link. Old Crow Aug 2015 #46

That's from July 19 nothing about a meeting with #BLM just Neotroots azurnoir Aug 2015 #65

Specify... SoapBox Aug 2015 #96

Bernie did NOT walk off the stage. senz Aug 2015 #32

He stayed on stage for 20 minutes. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #80

It's pretty clear that some will attack Sanders jfern Aug 2015 #195

He left because he had a fundraiser to get to before the big night rally eridani Aug 2015 #205

What crap... SoapBox Aug 2015 #33

Sat down? Ino Aug 2015 #35

yes he did after the person in charge of the social security rally closed down the event azurnoir Aug 2015 #47

Hillary did not sit down with BLM for a discussion.. frylock Aug 2015 #92

Hillary didn't allow BLM to speak to her supporters Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #154

This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Aug 2015 #158

i don't think they really care about being polite JI7 Aug 2015 #19

Sanders of course cali Aug 2015 #21

Bernie purposed legislation that he knows has no chance of passing too. moobu2 Aug 2015 #29

Another stupid assed meme Armstead Aug 2015 #130

+1 beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #135

oh no JackInGreen Sep 2015 #263

presumably the white fragility and Democrats' resistance to outside styles of activism MisterP Aug 2015 #30

I love the way the B.L.M. matter has managed to move the discussion away from LiberalArkie Aug 2015 #31

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Aug 2015 #85

School Uniforms and V-Chips in TVs were the solution to everything as I recall Armstead Aug 2015 #131

THey? So BLM is really a rightwing group undercover? randys1 Aug 2015 #151

No one said that, they were referring to the Clintons. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #157

THEY do it every time is what the person said. randys1 Aug 2015 #159

Why not ask them instead of trying to get their post hidden? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #161

a. didnt try to get it hidden b. why are YOU responding not them? randys1 Aug 2015 #163

No one is attacking blm. The only one attacking is you. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #165

ATtacking is EXACTLY what it is randys1 Aug 2015 #166

Repeating it won't make it true. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #167

As one of "them" I was referring to the Clintons Armstead Aug 2015 #236

you folks allege BLM is knowingly or not being used to harm Bernie's campaign randys1 Aug 2015 #238

B.... Armstead Aug 2015 #242

Every time you respond, everything you say when you do this, just makes it worse randys1 Aug 2015 #247

wasn't...how's that. Armstead Aug 2015 #250

They - you know the other people, the news media, the opposing forces LiberalArkie Aug 2015 #184

Once again, the answer to the OP Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #172

Thank YOU randys1 Aug 2015 #224

Some of the reaction was an ugly response to ugly accusations Armstead Aug 2015 #243

This post tells me you didn't even bother Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #246

I did read it Armstead Aug 2015 #252

Nailed it. Vattel Aug 2015 #37

It baffles me that after weeks of outrage here on DU over azurnoir Aug 2015 #44

She didn't "wag her finger" - did you see the two of them and their hand gestures? George II Aug 2015 #49

I saw that! She was awesome. Laser102 Aug 2015 #59

"wag her finger" was polite. did you even watch the video? magical thyme Aug 2015 #75

She came across overbearing, condescending, interrupting, unfriendly & just a tad defensive. senz Aug 2015 #107

"I will grant you this, she came across as very decisive in avoiding giving any real answer." Utopian Leftist Aug 2015 #138

Hillary gave a very real answer: She said get a plan: She said what do you want done? lewebley3 Aug 2015 #231

they asked her for *her* plan, how *she* intended to address violence against POC magical thyme Aug 2015 #234

Hillary, did address the violence she said it was bad: Like very one thinks: She is not in office! lewebley3 Aug 2015 #254

saying violence is bad is how she plans to address it if/when she is in office? seriously? magical thyme Aug 2015 #258

Larry Wilmore wasn't very impressed with her "presidential" performance: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #116

I'm glad I clicked on that. immoderate Aug 2015 #188

I often wake up the dogs and cats lol when I watch the Nightly Show. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #189

The difference is she has the credibility with them Gman Aug 2015 #56

I do not see what gives her credibility. She supported tough on crime laws jwirr Aug 2015 #63

Didn't sanders vote for those same laws? Yeah, yeah he did uponit7771 Aug 2015 #89

No. No he did not. Bernie's voting record on crime: senz Aug 2015 #115

So did Sanders! But the Clintons are responsible for it, Sanders gets a pass. George II Aug 2015 #168

Becaust the 2007 candidate of "hardworking people, white people" really gets-- eridani Aug 2015 #209

Omg, that second article... beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #212

At Netroots Bernie threatened to leave, and then gave his standard stump speech, pnwmom Aug 2015 #57

Who are you going to believe...me or your lying eyes? ibegurpard Aug 2015 #67

Apparently you missed the Netroots and Westlake center videos. n/t pnwmom Aug 2015 #70

nope I saw the westlake video ibegurpard Aug 2015 #72

And then he deserted all the supporters who had come to hear him talk. pnwmom Aug 2015 #81

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #101

That's unfair... cascadiance Aug 2015 #74

At Westlake Center in Seattle, the organizer of the event SHUT IT DOWN. frylock Aug 2015 #98

He shut it down because the keynoter decided to leave. pnwmom Aug 2015 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #102

It is a fact that Bernie was the keynoter. It is a fact that he left before giving his address. pnwmom Aug 2015 #105

The keynoter was running a tight schedule and didn't have all day to stand there.. frylock Aug 2015 #110

He gave them plenty of time. He would have been justified to then have them ejected. pnwmom Aug 2015 #114

ho-leee shit! had them ejected?! frylock Aug 2015 #120

Why...that's simply not true, pnwmom. I'm surprised you didn't know that. senz Aug 2015 #153

What isn't true? Bernie was the keynoter and they ended it because he left. nt pnwmom Aug 2015 #207

You're part of the Socical Security Works Coalition, so you know he was the keynoter eridani Aug 2015 #206

I know he was the keynoter because he was advertised, in advance, as the keynoter. pnwmom Aug 2015 #208

And how did you miss the two hours that the event had already been going on before he got there? n/ eridani Aug 2015 #210

I don't know how the schedule was supposed to run, but he WAS the keynoter. pnwmom Aug 2015 #211

Sanders wasn't allowed to speak. Those 3 gals played "keep the mic away from him" for 20 minutes. Major Hogwash Aug 2015 #214

Another useless post by a BS supporter GitRDun Aug 2015 #66

Another useless response to a BS supporter. L0oniX Aug 2015 #79

Very nice! GitRDun Aug 2015 #142

You know there is video nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #87

Lol, the finger was very active. If I had been one of the BLM guys, I would have backed up some Vattel Aug 2015 #94

You're correct about the word "wagging." It was inaccurate. Old Crow Aug 2015 #97

No GitRDun Aug 2015 #145

The amazing thing I see on here, your post included... Old Crow Aug 2015 #149

Well said, Old Crow. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #150

A typical BS supporter response GitRDun Aug 2015 #155

I always read what people say before responding. Old Crow Aug 2015 #175

Sorry, no Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #173

I honestly have no idea what your post is supposed to mean. Old Crow Aug 2015 #176

It's plain enough. Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #177

I'm trying to communicate here. Old Crow Aug 2015 #178

Again Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #179

Ahhhh. Okay, my apologies. Now I get it. Old Crow Aug 2015 #182

Of course that is how it went . TheFarS1de Aug 2015 #160

^^^THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #171

I'd love for a Hillary supporter to address Wilmore's take. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #185

Me too! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #186

We won't ever see it happen JackInGreen Sep 2015 #264

This whole subject is useless Armstead Aug 2015 #257

Sanders' supposed "problem" with people of color Maedhros Aug 2015 #78

You know many people of color don't even know Sanders to have a problem with him uponit7771 Aug 2015 #93

Are you calling PoC stupid? Uninformed? cui bono Aug 2015 #194

Red herring... Not the slightest intimation in my post of such. FACT many PoC don't know who Bernie uponit7771 Aug 2015 #223

I COMPLETELY agree with you. I said that because that's the accusation made to anyone who points cui bono Aug 2015 #259

Or ... frazzled Aug 2015 #88

The protestors asked her Armstead Aug 2015 #106

You know video exists of these events, right? jeff47 Aug 2015 #109

I've watched the videos of both events frazzled Aug 2015 #119

Sure you have. jeff47 Aug 2015 #122

I'll repeat this just for you, frazzled. senz Aug 2015 #156

No, it DOESN'T depend on your perspective. Old Crow Aug 2015 #113

who's not whose fbc Aug 2015 #100

First, they ignore you, then they try to assassinate your character... MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #111

Yeah but it's like a game of Whac-A-Mole. Lies keep poppin' up outta nowhwere. senz Aug 2015 #124

Bernie did listen and expand his message, I suspect it will grow even more, Hillary is waiting Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #123

I thought she did well. She was candid, and didn't pander. DanTex Aug 2015 #125

But it was her "defining performance" according to one supporter. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #129

It just makes you look foolish when you post such a subject line. riversedge Aug 2015 #132

And why is that? Bcause I am referring to hyperbolie with hyrbolie? Armstead Aug 2015 #134

Really? As foolish as calling that Hillary's defining moment? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #137

It's bogus & it's all they got. All they got is boooguus! :-D senz Aug 2015 #146

Lol! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #147

- L0oniX Aug 2015 #143

Bernie ON STAGE after Seattle BLM protesters take the mic (photo) senz Aug 2015 #144

Clinton reply similar to Sanders reply HassleCat Aug 2015 #152

The problem was not Bernie's response BainsBane Aug 2015 #181

Emotions got high, as they always do Armstead Aug 2015 #183

No, she should not have defended Sanders against the strawman created by his supporters BainsBane Aug 2015 #193

You have created a very tight little fantasy, but a bit inconsistent. Bonobo Aug 2015 #197

You have a very complex set if determinations of what is acceptable Armstead Aug 2015 #202

Agree with this completely Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #218

ummmmmm Armstead Aug 2015 #235

Yeah Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #244

I was pissed and I'm not going to apologize for being pissed. Armstead Aug 2015 #245

Well then... Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #248

whatever....if you EVER want to have a reasonable discussion... Armstead Aug 2015 #251

Yup, we know already. It was his supporters, gotcha. Who gives a rat's ass about the candidates? nt Bonobo Aug 2015 #196

She didn't "wag her finger". delrem Aug 2015 #199

Everything you said is the stone cold truth. nt Bonobo Aug 2015 #213

Why are we continuing to throw logs on this fire? blackspade Aug 2015 #219

Because others keep throwing logs on it Armstead Aug 2015 #220

I would prefer that as well, thus the basis of my question. blackspade Aug 2015 #221

Unless another epidemic of this breaks out, I'm done with it Armstead Aug 2015 #230

Excuse me while I pick up my Volvo. Nt mwooldri Aug 2015 #222

Sanders folded like a deck of cards: When confronted by BL: He screamed and ran away lewebley3 Aug 2015 #232

I missed the screaming and running. Gee, must have been happening in the Twilight Zone Armstead Aug 2015 #233

It was at the Netroots: Check the video: Sanders does eveything but scream bet off my lawn lewebley3 Aug 2015 #255

If you were there.... Armstead Aug 2015 #256

She didn't need to make changes MaggieD Aug 2015 #239

You mean long before Sanders was at the March on Washington? Armstead Aug 2015 #240

Really? Explain this then: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #241

Hillary herself has admitted she was wrong on criminal justice cali Aug 2015 #249

If you're talking about the Omnibus Crime bill she supported d_legendary1 Aug 2015 #253

K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2015 #260