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LiberalLovinLug

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143. These are acts of desparation

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 03:26 PM

Aug 2015

Calling Cornel West "racist" is not only laughable but incredibly disrespectful. One of the greatest AA thinkers we have, whether one agrees with everything he says or not.

In fact, perhaps we will hear now how Martin Luther King was also a "racist". Did you know that that infamous racist Bernie Sanders marched with MLK? Shocking!!!

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Dr. Cornel West endorses Bernie Sanders [View all] NorthCarolina Aug 2015 OP

I like that endorsement post , the part about tRump cracked me up Autumn Aug 2015 #1

West Hates Obama too... hates Obama with a passion, a cartoonish passion. uponit7771 Aug 2015 #2

I have heard West state a lot of things TheFarS1de Aug 2015 #3

He disagrees with Obama on several key issues AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #7

If you call all West racist slurs toward Obama 'disagreement' then well uponit7771 Aug 2015 #9

It's hate... Well known hate... Calling Obama racist names kinda hate. Cartoonish uponit7771 Aug 2015 #8

Wow, you know it would be AMAZING if you could back it up with actual quotes, in context, y'know! Bonobo Aug 2015 #10

If you REALLY want to know a simple Google would do... It's between all over Google for years uponit7771 Aug 2015 #11

Hahahahaha. OMG.... Bonobo Aug 2015 #12

When 'Google' is their link AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #13

When you google "Cornel hates Obama" what the hell else are you gonna find? LOL. nt Bonobo Aug 2015 #14

Cornel West used the n-word to describe President Obama..... msanthrope Aug 2015 #15

I quoted his thing about "nig*er-zed" below. It is not the same as calling Obama a "ni**er" Bonobo Aug 2015 #17

Do you really think your asterisks hide anything? I think you are gratuitously msanthrope Aug 2015 #19

I thought that might be you. Yes, I do hope you will read my response to Warren below. Bonobo Aug 2015 #22

You thought what might be me? nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #24

So let me get this straight: Cornel West is a racist? Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #23

Anyone who writes this shite about President Obama...... msanthrope Aug 2015 #28

West's arguable critique of BO rightly sits within the black community's tradition of self critique. ancianita Aug 2015 #36

+ 1!!!! nt Bonobo Aug 2015 #39

Myself I have been doing a LLLOOOOTTTT of reaidng nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #42

It's utter, racist shite to claim President Obama is afraid of free black men msanthrope Aug 2015 #47

The black community would not agree with you. None would call what West says racist shite, either. ancianita Aug 2015 #52

The black community is not a monolith, but black posters on DU, whom I respect, msanthrope Aug 2015 #85

Black DU'ers who agree with you also recognize the black tradition of self critique that ancianita Aug 2015 #95

self critique would be President Obama critiquing himself. msanthrope Aug 2015 #97

Oh, please. You really don't know what you're talking about now. Go read something instead of ancianita Aug 2015 #99

Jury results. 0-7 to LEAVE IT. merrily Aug 2015 #111

it's interesting that you are characterizing an Obama campaign attorney as a Republican, msanthrope Aug 2015 #124

Blaming me for not knowing who you are? Cheap. Lumping me with your relatives? Cheaper. ancianita Aug 2015 #126

I'm not lumping you with my crazy relatives...but Cornel West. They exposit similar msanthrope Aug 2015 #131

Glad to see you backing off on the fristian racist shite stance. ancianita Aug 2015 #132

I'm backing off of nothing. Cornel West and my uncle al msanthrope Aug 2015 #136

Okay, dude. Got it. But it's not really about BO's parentage, just what he did with it. Him. Obama. ancianita Aug 2015 #137

Ahem.....my username indicates my gender. I am no dude. Again, perhaps your labels are a msanthrope Aug 2015 #141

Clever by half. Again, blaming me for not knowing what you know. "Dude" has cross-gender use, fyi. ancianita Aug 2015 #145

no.... just intelligent in full measure. But having been corrected more than once msanthrope Aug 2015 #149

"Assumptions,"...fault me for not knowing you, then tell me to back off. You need a break. ancianita Aug 2015 #152

I have studiously avoided every thread about the deranged Cornel West but this one kept bouncing Number23 Aug 2015 #158

Well, they've been "edumicated" in everything except how to shut the fuck up. msanthrope Aug 2015 #162

An appeal to authority argument is no more compelling by virtue of coming from the authority herself. Bonobo Aug 2015 #130

creekdog is doing a rather admirable job down thread exposing your pattern msanthrope Aug 2015 #135

Counselor the words used by Mr.West nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #142

Self-criticism by Cornel West would mean he was critiquing himself, not PBO, right? msanthrope Aug 2015 #146

Well I report on what we see locally nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #147

Actually you are wrong on a multippe of levels and this goes way back to at least nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #100

I think your exposition of racial politics does not need any extra snark.... msanthrope Aug 2015 #125

Got it, just little snark nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #127

+1, I agree with what you're saying... West exhibits hateraide not just disagreement uponit7771 Aug 2015 #116

Agreed. He has deep convictions regarding many of the issues in today's jwirr Aug 2015 #118

Once again, disagreement does not = hate! What a 'hateful' world it must be if we are now at the sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #53

West has gone way behind disagreeing... uponit7771 Aug 2015 #115

....jumping all the way to "hate"? LiberalLovinLug Aug 2015 #138

When you take time to call a person names & tell partial truths about them I'd call that hate uponit7771 Aug 2015 #139

??? LiberalLovinLug Aug 2015 #144

edited... West has ODS no doubt uponit7771 Aug 2015 #148

??? LiberalLovinLug Aug 2015 #151

Obama Derangement Syndrome nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #154

I respect and admire Dr. West. SamKnause Aug 2015 #4

The great irony of the sides that have been taken re Dr. West... Bonobo Aug 2015 #5

FYI Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #18

I actually thought someone might alert on that. And I did leave it as it was despite that. Bonobo Aug 2015 #20

You lucked out and got a reasonable jury. It happens. Warren Stupidity Aug 2015 #21

I put my trust in the higher powers. Bonobo Aug 2015 #26

Fundies hiding behind politically correct battles better pick their battles, else they show their ancianita Aug 2015 #31

Thank you for posting the quote in full context. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #34

remember when you said "Obama is not a black leader" ? CreekDog Aug 2015 #51

Well, he did of course effectively cower behind "it was a general statement" LanternWaste Aug 2015 #55

dangit, no "like" button for your post CreekDog Aug 2015 #56

Oh, I guess you think you got me on something, but I'm not sure what you THINK that is. Bonobo Aug 2015 #58

Are you playing Madlibs? CreekDog Aug 2015 #78

You have a lot of personal anger against me. I see that. Bonobo Aug 2015 #81

stop kidding yourself and others here, you aren't advocating for Sanders here CreekDog Aug 2015 #88

Actually, CreekDog, could you please just stop your relentless personal attacks on me. Bonobo Aug 2015 #93

Why the personal attacks? nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #101

Not just a general statement, a direct quote from a black writer. Bonobo Aug 2015 #60

have you asked Cornel West if he wants his quote thrown at black people by a white person? CreekDog Aug 2015 #65

Excuse me, but that's a really stupid question. Bonobo Aug 2015 #68

you're trying to insert inflammatory arguments and terminology into DU and watch fights that follow CreekDog Aug 2015 #71

Creek, that post was from 2013. I didn't bring that into this discussion. Bonobo Aug 2015 #72

The quote today is for the same purpose. You posted it for effect, you knew what you were doing CreekDog Aug 2015 #76

I don't expect you to believe me but here is what motivated me in this: Bonobo Aug 2015 #80

That's pretty weak, Creek Dog. Bonobo Aug 2015 #57

It was a quote from a Time article by a black man. Bonobo Aug 2015 #59

And you've posted it a dozen times because YOU WANT to say it in your own words, but can't CreekDog Aug 2015 #62

Like I said, you got some weird things banging around in your own head. Bonobo Aug 2015 #66

You really need to stop insisting that you know B's intent better than he does. The language he's ancianita Aug 2015 #96

I don't need to read his mind when his posts pretty much demonstrate his intent CreekDog Aug 2015 #157

Got it there. n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #160

I'm juror #7. Any alerter want to come forward and prove the poster's intent? ancianita Aug 2015 #25

Thank you for taking the time to treat jury duty so responsibly. Bonobo Aug 2015 #27

Thanks. As a teacher of West's work and semantic range, I hold that context is everything. ancianita Aug 2015 #29

I am a tremendous admirer and wish you would share some of your insights. Bonobo Aug 2015 #32

Absolutely, he's been bad-mouthed. This was on Truthdig. Have you seen it? It's powerful. ancianita Aug 2015 #33

Obama has pandered to opponents of racial justice. Garrett78 Aug 2015 #49

I'd like to all those that are bad-mouthing him watch this. Bonobo Aug 2015 #64

Thanks for posting this. Catherina Aug 2015 #128

Anytime I can ... ancianita Aug 2015 #129

Good. I'll be looking for your posts Catherina Aug 2015 #134

That's part 2 of their excellent talk. Here's part 1 Catherina Aug 2015 #133

Thanks! ancianita Aug 2015 #140

Anytime because this forum really needs your voice Catherina Aug 2015 #155

As for my insights, within the DU context I'd strongly urge all of DU to read his books.Then I would ancianita Aug 2015 #35

I am shamed to admit that I was only a long time listener of his podcast with Tavis Smiley. Bonobo Aug 2015 #37

Glad you asked. Start with "Race Matters." Then go with his copyright sequence. MOST ancianita Aug 2015 #38

I will if I ever get the chance! Bonobo Aug 2015 #40

DU'ers can buy West's books for as little as one penny on Amazon. ancianita Aug 2015 #41

I lucked out nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #43

Hah, cool. I taught it 20 years ago. It should be required reading for white people. ancianita Aug 2015 #44

There is a lot that should be required reading :-) nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #45

Trudat. ancianita Aug 2015 #46

Tim Wise Garrett78 Aug 2015 #50

et tu Brutus? CreekDog Aug 2015 #67

Creek Dog, keep playing to your audience. Bonobo Aug 2015 #69

Well, I can't prove his intent Gormy Cuss Aug 2015 #73

Fortunately a poster who actually TEACHES Cornel West agreed with me. Bonobo Aug 2015 #83

I was responding to that poster Gormy Cuss Aug 2015 #87

You are welcome. Bonobo Aug 2015 #92

i'm not the alerter but it's a long time pattern CreekDog Aug 2015 #74

You and I don't agree on much.....but this, yeah. nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #91

Yeah, I saw that... sibelian Aug 2015 #164

Dude. one of them was a wait for it... lawyer for the Obama campaign! Bonobo Aug 2015 #165

West is a great intellectual cprise Aug 2015 #6

Dr. West has such deep insights into society. He is truly amazing. Bonobo Aug 2015 #16

Agreed. He believes in the the prophetic faith that has historically empowered black people. ancianita Aug 2015 #30

Good. It will keep him away from Hillary. leftofcool Aug 2015 #48

... SidDithers Aug 2015 #54

What a great progressive you are. Do you find his image funny, Sid? Bonobo Aug 2015 #61

I find him funny... SidDithers Aug 2015 #63

I'm certainly willing to CONSIDER that he is an anti-semite. But until I saw some evidence, I would Bonobo Aug 2015 #70

He was the featured speaker at the Million Muslim March, on Sept 11, 2013... SidDithers Aug 2015 #77

I would call that inconclusive. Bonobo Aug 2015 #82

It IS inconclusive. West's talks with anti-semites is to build consciousness/common ground. It's a ancianita Aug 2015 #104

I am glad I was skeptical. I can smell anti-semitism. It comes from years of being victimized by it. Bonobo Aug 2015 #105

Sid would not know about that even if it snuck up and tapped him in the head. nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #112

I guess all my local AA community is antisemitic by your logic nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #106

Are you defending Kevin Barrett, nadin? SidDithers Aug 2015 #107

Nah I am just using your pretzel logic nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #108

You don't know who Barrett is... SidDithers Aug 2015 #109

I am using your guilt by association pretzel logic Sid nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #110

And sometimes, those who choose to associate with nutbar anti-Semites like Kevin Barrett... SidDithers Aug 2015 #120

Again, by your logic my local community is hate filled nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #122

Sid, are you Jewish? The real Sid Dithers was of course, so maybe you are. Bonobo Aug 2015 #123

Just stop. Casting a stereotype on a black scholar without giving credibility to Black-Jewish ancianita Aug 2015 #113

He is a black white thinker kind of a person nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #114

It's the mocking of posters that never helps DU. DU's whites HAVE to have race discussions worthy ancianita Aug 2015 #117

And he is not even American, he is Canadian nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #119

Hah! Guilt by association posters will have to account for their own. And no standing here, even! ancianita Aug 2015 #121

Read West's chapt., "Black-Jewish Relations" from "Race Matters" before you call him an anti-semite. ancianita Aug 2015 #98

I am sure I will beat him to it. Thanks for the heads up. Bonobo Aug 2015 #102

Is that an angry black man? Yup...Sid nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #75

You're still here? I thought you quit DU again yesterday...nt SidDithers Aug 2015 #79

Even more snark nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #86

I can't believe I am being attack swarmed on this thread for defending Cornel West. Bonobo Aug 2015 #84

Oh I was called that on saturday nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #89

for using him CreekDog Aug 2015 #90

Are you done yet? I have gone out of my way to explain EXACTLY what prompted me to defend him. Bonobo Aug 2015 #94

You have added nothing to this discussion nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #103

These are acts of desparation LiberalLovinLug Aug 2015 #143

Worst. nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #150

Calling Cornel West racist is despicable. Worse, we have posters calling him a "coon" Catherina Aug 2015 #153

If that incident doesn't make it crystal clear what their true motives are... sibelian Aug 2015 #167

Believe it. West speaks against neoliberalism, miltarism, exploitation, privatization and war Catherina Aug 2015 #156

You don't understand, he's one of the NASTY black people. sibelian Aug 2015 #163

Yes, shut up and let black people talk about it! Just not THAT black guy! Bonobo Aug 2015 #166

K&R -- glad to see the endorsement senz Aug 2015 #159

Hey, why aren't there over 100 recs for this thread? Metric System Aug 2015 #161