2016 Postmortem

staggerleem

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60. Most of us "Bernistas" ...

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 03:35 PM

Aug 2015

... do our best to support Bernie WITHOUT trashing Hillary (as Bernie himself refuses to do, regardless of how reporters may try to goad him into it)- the circular firing squad is NEVER helpful!

Myself, I'm 100% behind Sanders ... UNTIL THE CONVENTION. After the convention, my support goes to the Democratic nominee - WHOEVER THAT MAY BE (again, JUST LIKE BERNIE!)

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Hillary's ties to Wall Street are no joke. It's a promise, writ large, and it is NOT in your favor. [View all] Bonobo Aug 2015 OP

Agree - Hillary Is A Member Of The 1% Club - She Will Protect The 1% First, Last And Always cantbeserious Aug 2015 #1

Agreed Sienna86 Aug 2015 #17

None, but for some membership in the Cult of Personality hifiguy Aug 2015 #23

So was FDR 1%: and that didn't stop him from being the Best President lewebley3 Aug 2015 #28

The Op is about where one;'s loyalties are Armstead Aug 2015 #36

+1 hifiguy Aug 2015 #37

Excellent point, Armstead. Enthusiast Aug 2015 #46

And if FDR wanted to favor the rich ... JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2015 #47

Yes, she has: She has put her whole life against the GOP lewebley3 Aug 2015 #54

Except for 1963/4. nt Tommymac Aug 2015 #79

But not against those in the 1% who cheat and take more than their share of the nation's JDPriestly Aug 2015 #97

The Dem party is not the 1%, and Hillary has been one of its leaders lewebley3 Aug 2015 #148

LOL azmom Aug 2015 #153

...^ that 840high Aug 2015 #90

And JFK, and LBJ, and Jimmy Carter. George II Aug 2015 #49

FDR investigated those who were involved in the fraud that led to the crash of 1929 and the JDPriestly Aug 2015 #98

No. Bernie can win. PatrickforO Aug 2015 #100

There is NO WAY that ANY GOP Presidental Rockyj Aug 2015 #112

FDR championed the little guy. Thoroughly, completely. senz Aug 2015 #88

FDR was also HATED by the Left of his day. BlueCaliDem Aug 2015 #161

Yes, there is, Hillary champions the little guy: and everyone else: All American's lewebley3 Aug 2015 #183

FDR was relentless in investigating the causes of the 1929 crash and the Depression. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #96

Change the subject to Obama:Because I checkmated you on FDR lewebley3 Aug 2015 #140

No you didn't! Fawke Em Aug 2015 #170

There were Different players in 1929: FDR had huge majorities: Obama, is a good Presidnet sorry lewebley3 Aug 2015 #184

You ignored half of cantbeserious's brief post. merrily Aug 2015 #109

Just show us what Hillary has done sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #179

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #182

You never liked her anyway. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #190

Disagree: Hillary is not a trust fund baby: FDR was and he was great! lewebley3 Aug 2015 #33

FDR was a friend to working class people as evidenced by the New Deal and other policies me b zola Aug 2015 #70

Hillary is friend to the working class: Clintons raised taxes on rich lewebley3 Aug 2015 #71

Wishful Thinking cantbeserious Aug 2015 #75

LMFAO ...keep trying. L0oniX Aug 2015 #81

Nor has she known financial hardship. merrily Aug 2015 #108

Yes, Hillary has know financial hardship: Why it matters I dont know lewebley3 Aug 2015 #143

She has not. She's no FDR, either. merrily Aug 2015 #146

Hillary is closer to FDR are than Sanders: She's a party loyalist! lewebley3 Aug 2015 #151

Hilarious post. Thanks for the laughs. merrily Aug 2015 #154

Just the facts lewebley3 Aug 2015 #166

$$$$=access=influence cali Aug 2015 #2

It is our obligation to democracy as American citizens to ensure Clinton is defeated in the Zorra Aug 2015 #3

... SonderWoman Aug 2015 #5

so link to where Bernie has gushed sickening praise of him cali Aug 2015 #8

And just WTF is that supposed to mean? HappyPlace Aug 2015 #11

It really is, isn't it. hifiguy Aug 2015 #26

Being ahead in most of the state polls by two or three to one isn't "desperation". George II Aug 2015 #53

The very same organization that gave Bernie a D- and F respectively short circuit Aug 2015 #25

Attempted deflection -3 Armstead Aug 2015 #38

Wayne doesn't look happy. SMC22307 Aug 2015 #94

Pssst... Fawke Em Aug 2015 #171

I think you're right, Zorra. senz Aug 2015 #87

You will never convince her supporters Kelvin Mace Aug 2015 #4

"America's worst war criminal." staggerleem Aug 2015 #24

It's Kissinger. hifiguy Aug 2015 #27

Cheney was an apprentice to Kissinger. Fuddnik Aug 2015 #43

Nope. hifiguy Aug 2015 #44

But Kissinger ... staggerleem Aug 2015 #57

Henry the K would have had someone do the shooting for him. hifiguy Aug 2015 #59

Eh... kenfrequed Aug 2015 #118

Not true: Bush and Cheney are America's war criminals lewebley3 Aug 2015 #62

And Hillary voted to greenlight that war when others knew better MoveIt Aug 2015 #119

No she didn't vote for a war: she voted for the use of force with the UN lewebley3 Aug 2015 #137

My Representative figured it out MoveIt Aug 2015 #158

The War was Bushes choice alone: He said so: The Clintons made lewebley3 Aug 2015 #163

The Clintons? frylock Aug 2015 #173

Oh they are both quite evil, Kelvin Mace Aug 2015 #68

I like Hillary, she has done a lot of good things. But as far as my support goes Autumn Aug 2015 #6

Impressive career for Tom. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #7

you've been crystal clear cali Aug 2015 #9

Which laws were broken? SonderWoman Aug 2015 #10

many things are legal that are wrong. your candidate cali Aug 2015 #12

1994 looks to have been a life-changing year for this guy. He goes to work for the Trade Rep Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #15

I would amend that statement ... staggerleem Aug 2015 #55

Good point. Fixed. Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #63

Yes. A remarkably wealthy, privileged, ostentatious Wall St. insider. True dat. nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #16

No, I don't think there is a problem: FDR didn't have any problem lewebley3 Aug 2015 #31

And gave Wall Street and Big Bidness a lot of pretty presents that have ruined the economy Armstead Aug 2015 #39

The GOP ruined the economy: Not rich Dem's lewebley3 Aug 2015 #133

I agree qith you about the GOP but... Armstead Aug 2015 #144

Why to do look to Dem's for blame: These are GOP dream policy lewebley3 Aug 2015 #145

Because the only way to fixx the problem is to acknowledge it Armstead Aug 2015 #150

We know what the problem is the GOP: All the Dem's know that! lewebley3 Aug 2015 #152

They are a big part of the problem -- but NOT the only part Armstead Aug 2015 #156

Clinton's were in power over 16 years ago: Diff times Diff solutions lewebley3 Aug 2015 #164

Diff times need dif solutions Armstead Aug 2015 #165

Hillary has new ideas, she is putting new plans everyday: lewebley3 Aug 2015 #168

Old ideas like what? Armstead Aug 2015 #169

Democracy . TheFarS1de Aug 2015 #181

The expansion of SS has always been a dream of Dem's since FDR: Nothing new lewebley3 Aug 2015 #185

You've said nothing about ideas in governing Armstead Aug 2015 #186

I want Hillary to govern like Bill, and like Obama: Smart, fighting, and caring. lewebley3 Aug 2015 #187

I asked you about the outdated ideas you referred to getting away from Armstead Aug 2015 #188

Right: That is why Hillary will have to change some of Bills and Obama's policies: Diff times! lewebley3 Aug 2015 #189

The problem was legislation that Bill signed that he should have vetoed. Enthusiast Aug 2015 #48

One piece of legislation: among thousand is meaningless lewebley3 Aug 2015 #56

Sorry, but "one piece of legislation" can mean an awful lot! staggerleem Aug 2015 #58

Glass-steagle: Is just a left wing talking point: Since Bush was elected lewebley3 Aug 2015 #61

No doubt you didn't lose your job and home. L0oniX Aug 2015 #82

A "left wing talking point"? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #85

Wall Street ConservaDems who parrot Ann Coulter. SMC22307 Aug 2015 #101

I thought I was on the wrong website for a minute there... beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #102

Nope. And thanks to SonderWoman's now hidden post... SMC22307 Aug 2015 #103

Imagine their outrage if a Bernie supporter posted a Republican ad against Hillary. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #104

That wasn't JUST a Repub attack ad! Bonobo Aug 2015 #105

It was as bad as the racial slur one of her supporters used when they called Bernie a racist. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #106

Do you have a link to that thread? arcane1 Aug 2015 #138

Sure do: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #167

Tom Hartman is the only one know who push this idea: about Glass-S lewebley3 Aug 2015 #141

A right-wing troll, no doubt. /nt staggerleem Sep 2015 #192

Do you have a clue ... staggerleem Sep 2015 #194

That's the lamest cop-out I've seen all week n/t arcane1 Aug 2015 #135

You might benefit from watching this... SMC22307 Aug 2015 #95

"He married his cousin in the white house with Teddy watching." BeanMusical Aug 2015 #126

I didnt say 1st cousins lewebley3 Aug 2015 #131

You said: "He married his cousin in the white house with Teddy watching." BeanMusical Aug 2015 #132

You get a history book: I don't have time to home school you lewebley3 Aug 2015 #134

Lol! BeanMusical Aug 2015 #139

Probably not. You clearly haven't schooled yourself. hifiguy Aug 2015 #174

K$R nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #13

Hillary Supporters Seem Obliviuous To All That colsohlibgal Aug 2015 #14

Many of them are paid supporters fadedrose Aug 2015 #18

Hillary is just best Dem we have to become President: Its not about turns lewebley3 Aug 2015 #32

I find it disgusting that Sandres supporters accuse Clinton supporters... Nitram Aug 2015 #34

i find it disgusting that some people make stuff up. ChairmanAgnostic Aug 2015 #35

Never heard such an argument? Look at the comment 4 posts above yours by Colsohlibgal. Nitram Aug 2015 #50

Okay. Let's cut out the implication, since it doesn't apply to all of you. hedda_foil Aug 2015 #83

Agreee with you and totally disagree with you Armstead Aug 2015 #40

I'm just quoting Colsohlibgal in this thread... Nitram Aug 2015 #52

Most of us "Bernistas" ... staggerleem Aug 2015 #60

Isn't it time to have a woman President? FlatBaroque Aug 2015 #19

It's a shame that Elizabeth Warren will not run. Enthusiast Aug 2015 #51

I don't vote based upon gender. Any time is a good time to have a woman president so long as she Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #64

I will not choose a candidate by gender or ethnicity but by ideas. cali Aug 2015 #66

Carly Fiorina beltanefauve Aug 2015 #72

LOL - Checkmate! hueymahl Aug 2015 #114

Elizabeth Warren was a Republican until the mid-1990's. BlueCaliDem Aug 2015 #160

Because Warren acts like a Democrat, now, despite her party Fawke Em Aug 2015 #172

Just wanted to point out the double standard. BlueCaliDem Aug 2015 #177

Yes, it's time. But it must be the RIGHT WOMAN. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2015 #89

My Dear CliforniaPeggy FlatBaroque Aug 2015 #157

Yep. Were Senator Warren running instead of Bernie hifiguy Aug 2015 #175

Michelle Bachman? Sarah Palin? Carly Fiorina? Um, no. SMC22307 Aug 2015 #99

You vote based on the candidate's genitals? arcane1 Aug 2015 #142

You are right...........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz leftofcool Aug 2015 #20

I'm sick and tired of all of the money grubbing. SoapBox Aug 2015 #21

The facts are what they are. hifiguy Aug 2015 #22

She associates with poor children too: and Women etc etc. lewebley3 Aug 2015 #30

U forgot one... L0oniX Aug 2015 #84

Yeah, I did. And Murdoch, too. hifiguy Aug 2015 #117

OMFG! She's also buddy-buddy with the misogynist who is endorsed by David Duke! BeanMusical Aug 2015 #122

By this post FDR and Kennedy should have never been President lewebley3 Aug 2015 #29

I don't understand your reasoning The Traveler Aug 2015 #42

Yes. Wall Street ties are an issue for Hillary. DirkGently Aug 2015 #41

She's quite the hypocrite. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #45

She probably didn't finish her sentence.... NorthCarolina Aug 2015 #115

The question is not whether she is 1% - TBF Aug 2015 #65

All these smears on HRC and yet they all end in.... MaggieD Aug 2015 #67

They seek another friendly voice in the whitehouse. A president who won't push just too damned hard Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #73

So you got nothing MaggieD Aug 2015 #91

Looked forward, not backward MoveIt Aug 2015 #121

Actually Bush bailed them out MaggieD Aug 2015 #123

How many were arrested / prosecuted ? MoveIt Aug 2015 #124

Arrested for what? MaggieD Aug 2015 #127

Gotcha, it's all good, I was clearly in error with my non-neo-liberal thinking MoveIt Aug 2015 #128

You can't write a law and retroactively charge someone MaggieD Aug 2015 #130

They always tend to leave out things don't they. leftofcool Aug 2015 #111

I''ve gotten to a similar point kjones Aug 2015 #162

But..but..She's a Capitalist while evil Bernie is a (gasp!) Socialist! Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #69

In their little minds it's the same as being a Stalinist. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #129

Depends on how you look at it Babel_17 Aug 2015 #74

You are a terrific writer. Your passion makes what is often dull, fascinating. snagglepuss Aug 2015 #76

That's very nice of you to say! nt Bonobo Aug 2015 #78

She is part of the problem. The Princeton Study stated that we no longer live in a democracy but an rhett o rick Aug 2015 #77

So far it's the little people sending money in for Bernie. Who's giving money to Hillary? L0oniX Aug 2015 #80

The part of the campaign to come is the tie to dark money by any and all candidates. Where DhhD Aug 2015 #110

+1 L0oniX Aug 2015 #191

Thanks for this, Bonobo. senz Aug 2015 #86

That was beautiful and a good chance to mention noblesse oblige Bonobo Aug 2015 #92

Exactly. I was avoiding that phrase, but the first 4 letters spell "noble" senz Aug 2015 #93

Old Joe Kennedy pounded into all his kids hifiguy Aug 2015 #120

In that respect, she is far more Republican than Democrat. senz Aug 2015 #125

She IS directly responsible. Totally correct. SusanaMontana41 Aug 2015 #107

Thanks to the daily efforts of corporate investors. raouldukelives Aug 2015 #113

I think Hillary's strategy is she will ask her friends in the ruling elite to pay people more hollowdweller Aug 2015 #116

Nice fairytale. Or did you forget the :sarcasm: thingy? BeanMusical Aug 2015 #136

You cannot possibly be serious n/t arcane1 Aug 2015 #149

Wait, you're SERIOUS? hifiguy Aug 2015 #155

THIS is the reason for the bizarre attempt to paint Economic Justice as "racist". nt Romulox Aug 2015 #147

Textbook Rove FlatBaroque Aug 2015 #159

It's as old as the hills hifiguy Aug 2015 #176

HC and many republican candidates Puzzledtraveller Aug 2015 #178

I don't think those in power understand how ANGRY the people are over the way our government has sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #180

Hillary's Top 15 Career Donors Garrett78 Sep 2015 #193

Great discussion. kristopher Mar 2016 #195

I think so. It is a good portrait of who Hillary really is. nt Bonobo Mar 2016 #196