2016 Postmortem

randys1

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98. Oh for FUCKS sake, I am more liberal than you and your ten best friends and your

Fri Aug 28, 2015, 11:29 AM

Aug 2015

wildest imagination run amok could even come up with.

If you doubt me, ask me ANY question on ANY issue, you will rarely find anyone more to the left than I am.

BUT, I accept a reality that others havent, or arent accepting because they are not here for the reasons stated.

That reality is we WILL have a centrist government, if we are lucky, at best, when this is all over.

The best we can hope for is one of two outcomes; Bernie as president meaning we will have great ideas from the WH and not a single one of them will happen for at least 8 years or more or until the teaparty and blue dogs are all gone, or Hillary, Joe or Martin and more mainstream DEMOCRATIC party politics.

DEMOCRATIC party politics and ways of doing things is a far cry from what I, a liberal, wants.

Having said all that, the very idea that Scott Walker is president, and the cons control both houses or even one, to me means America is completely done and over.

So I have a choice, keep a very flawed, deeply corrupt, horribly abusive and racist system in place, or allow chaos, death and destruction to begin.

i support Bernie, up to the point where he is no longer viable, then I support whoever is.

Has NOTHING to do with loyalty to a god damn corrupt and fucked up political party, has to do with SURVIVAL

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Hillary Clinton's Felony. The federal laws violated by the private server [View all] leveymg Aug 2015 OP

This belongs in CT. nt DURHAM D Aug 2015 #1

Yup! KMOD Aug 2015 #3

Why are outright lying smears of DEMOCRATIC candidates allowed on DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND? randys1 Aug 2015 #90

I dont know but this is getting very old quick moobu2 Aug 2015 #166

Either the jury system Jamaal510 Aug 2015 #201

Um, because some are true? nt revbones Mar 2016 #238

For those who can't or won't discuss the facts or the law, there is always the comfort of snide leveymg Aug 2015 #4

Are you an expert on this? Seeing as you're a Sanders supporter you're certainly biased and have an Metric System Aug 2015 #7

the sources are clearly experts magical thyme Aug 2015 #60

And Hillary Clinton certainly never transferred classified info to her server. Huddie94 Aug 2015 #230

they were trained to recognize classified information magical thyme Aug 2015 #231

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #235

if I understand something I read yesterday correctly, it was Abedin who magical thyme Sep 2015 #236

Ad hom. Jester Messiah Aug 2015 #103

It's all they have when faced with something negative about their candidate. nt revbones Mar 2016 #239

You might possible be right!! pocoloco Aug 2015 #109

As agendas go, that seems a pretty laudable one Bubzer Aug 2015 #137

Your headline is an opinion -not a fact. Take it down please. riversedge Aug 2015 #64

Agreed: Riversedge: Hillary has done nothing wrong lewebley3 Aug 2015 #118

Besides, Hillary can still run for Preident, bvar22 Aug 2015 #176

So if that's true then dispute it with facts. revbones Mar 2016 #240

Your OP isn't a "smear"? This issue has been discredited over and over again, and has been... George II Aug 2015 #157

It has not been discredited even once, let alone over and over. revbones Mar 2016 #241

You have called Hillary Clinton a felon! That is FALSE, unconscionable, and inexcusable. George II Aug 2015 #158

No not quite. elehhhhna Mar 2016 #251

Why because you don't like it? CT is over used to lock or hide posts that some find contrary rhett o rick Aug 2015 #30

and this belongs in - DURHAM D Aug 2015 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Aug 2015 #54

I have no problem with this post, however, yesterday when a thread was posted about Bernie applying still_one Aug 2015 #89

I missed that. Can you provide a link? nm rhett o rick Aug 2015 #110

What is CT??? PatrickforO Aug 2015 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Aug 2015 #69

Oh. Thanks. PatrickforO Aug 2015 #73

Thanks. nt Raymondo22 Aug 2015 #211

CT=Conspiracy theory hedda_foil Feb 2016 #237

Why is this post Okay: its filled with slander: Hillary is not under investigation lewebley3 Aug 2015 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Aug 2015 #107

But , The Host are very careful to hide post that disagree Sanders people lewebley3 Aug 2015 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Aug 2015 #124

So you're aware of all the intricacies of the investigation revbones Mar 2016 #242

..... MADem Aug 2015 #2

Nothing would make me happier than a long orange line down Penn Ave of Bush-era leveymg Aug 2015 #6

Justice: Probe sought in Clinton e-mails, but no ‘criminal’ focus Fla Dem Aug 2015 #151

Amazing how many "Democrats" are so eager to throw one of their own MADem Aug 2015 #193

Precisely. She should have thought about what she was doing, but it isn't as if she erased JDPriestly Aug 2015 #146

unfortunately the president decided to turn the page or look forward or some idiotic Doctor_J Aug 2015 #192

You have no shame. I see you're a Sanders supporter. What a shocker. I see two fellow Sanders Metric System Aug 2015 #5

Hillary supporters also owe it to themselves to learn about her legal problems. leveymg Aug 2015 #8

Are you a legal expert? What are your credentials? Metric System Aug 2015 #12

You're over the line with this brush Aug 2015 #15

Why do you assume this is an attack? It's an analysis of facts and law. Dispute it on that basis leveymg Aug 2015 #18

Are you a legal expert? Metric System Aug 2015 #20

Read the article and links - make your own determination. leveymg Aug 2015 #23

Short answer - No. But (s)he stayed in Holiday Inn Express. nt COLGATE4 Aug 2015 #114

Your amateurish analysis is worth the paper it's printed on. n/t pnwmom Aug 2015 #117

Of course it's an attack brush Aug 2015 #43

Believe it or not FlatBaroque Aug 2015 #52

So why are you on this site? brush Aug 2015 #59

Pathetic FlatBaroque Aug 2015 #75

Like I said, it's called DEMOCRATIC Underground brush Aug 2015 #80

Aren't we also here to discuss the pros and cons of the different candidates? Raymondo22 Aug 2015 #212

In many cases the criticisms have ventured into . . . brush Aug 2015 #216

"Over-the-top"? Raymondo22 Aug 2015 #217

A headline of an OP stated that Hillary Clinton committed a felony . . . brush Aug 2015 #218

Those are examples. A definition would be more useful to me. Raymondo22 Aug 2015 #219

Don't know why that's hard to understand brush Aug 2015 #220

So it's OK to say something good about a Dem primary candidate--- Raymondo22 Aug 2015 #224

As I stated in my earlier post . . . brush Aug 2015 #227

Thanks for the examples. Raymondo22 Aug 2015 #233

Exactly... busterbrown Aug 2015 #144

Oh for FUCKS sake, I am more liberal than you and your ten best friends and your randys1 Aug 2015 #98

If there is indeed a felony that could stick, based on the facts and legal statutes ... Martin Eden Aug 2015 #133

If I beat my wife, I would be in trouble too. randys1 Aug 2015 #135

The felony cited is a violation of the Espionage Act of 1917 DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #143

SMearing Hillary on DU is an all day , every day event randys1 Aug 2015 #149

So then, you are certain there is no legal case that could derail HC in the general election ... Martin Eden Aug 2015 #147

Thanks for giving voice to my feelings. Candidates that "play the game" are not what I want erronis Aug 2015 #134

They can play the game all they want, as long as they arent republicans or teaparty randys1 Aug 2015 #136

If you're a Sanders supporter let his campaign stand on its own. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #70

I'm one of the ones who thinks Dems should not be attacking other Dems brush Aug 2015 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Aug 2015 #78

I'm one of the ones who thinks Dems should not be attacking other Dems AlbertCat Aug 2015 #85

I've mentioned that Bernie himself has refused to attack Hillary brush Aug 2015 #93

Stop doing repug dirty work. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #122

Don't lie. Onlooker Aug 2015 #203

Addressing these issues is part of letting the campaign play out. frylock Aug 2015 #77

Let the repugs do their own dirty work. brush Aug 2015 #83

Looks like Obama's DoJ is doing the repug's "dirty work" frylock Aug 2015 #100

After the repugs have been fanning the flames for months brush Aug 2015 #123

And it can all end with a phone call by the president.. frylock Aug 2015 #129

^^This and only this^^ nt tblue Aug 2015 #229

Because you (and a few Bernie supporters) and the republicans say she has "legal problems"? ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #56

I am willing to litigate the charges with the seminal poster as long as he stipulates neither... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #79

Anyone who thinks this issue will disappear before the 2016 election has no clue. k&r, nt. appal_jack Aug 2015 #34

already has.. busterbrown Aug 2015 #142

This message was self-deleted by its author FlatBaroque Aug 2015 #35

yeah Hillary supporters are just so upright cali Aug 2015 #44

Was that thread made by a Hillary supporter? Judging by the poster's rec list I doubt it. Metric System Aug 2015 #51

You have no shame. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #65

add me to your list frylock Aug 2015 #72

Oh hell, this thread will have a hundred recs by the end of today. leftofcool Aug 2015 #112

They hate her. The can say they don't but tgey do. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #165

Oh noes now a third Sanders supporter is posting in this thread passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #196

To you "No shame" = speaking truth? That's weird. nt revbones Mar 2016 #243

Yikes! Mike Nelson Aug 2015 #9

You forgot the sarcasm tag. Metric System Aug 2015 #13

Thank you... Mike Nelson Aug 2015 #16

Most likely not a spy FlatBaroque Aug 2015 #37

Thanks, Mark hootinholler Aug 2015 #10

These articles disagree with you: Metric System Aug 2015 #11

Neither one of those articles even attempts a legal analysis by reference to relevant statutes jberryhill Aug 2015 #17

Is the OP qualified to give legal analysis? He still hasn't answered that question. Metric System Aug 2015 #19

Yes. leveymg Aug 2015 #21

Really? Gothmog Aug 2015 #120

You never answered my question but your posts tell me all I need to know Gothmog Apr 2016 #260

Well certainly neither of your op-ed writers are jberryhill Aug 2015 #22

It's an opinion presented as fact. Just look at the title: "Hillary's Felony." Metric System Aug 2015 #25

My goodness, an opinion presented as fact. On the internet. jberryhill Aug 2015 #27

If you have a different opinion based in fact, express it. Here's your chance. leveymg Aug 2015 #29

Clinton email violated no laws or policies Gothmog Aug 2015 #181

OMFG! an opinion presented as fact RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #46

The second link goes to an article by David Ignatius DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #106

Good golly jberryhill Aug 2015 #116

I take umbrage at folks calling other folks felons, especially if the folks being called felons... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #125

Yes, the suggestion that a government official violated a law is offensive jberryhill Aug 2015 #127

You are using facts against a Howdy Gowdy inspired talking point Gothmog Aug 2015 #119

4 Sanders supporters and counting have recommended this thread. Interesting. Metric System Aug 2015 #14

The 9:00 am mass at the Church of the Perpetual Authenticity LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #26

What you are forgetting is that Democrats are held responsible when they break the law virtualobserver Aug 2015 #31

There would be more recs; but, ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #62

Interesting. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #74

I have here in my hand a list of 4 Sanders supporters and counting.... frylock Aug 2015 #81

and one has called bull pucky on it. passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #198

K&R for Metric System bahrbearian Aug 2015 #24

What a joke. I'm referring to your post and this thread. Metric System Aug 2015 #40

What's next? msrizzo Aug 2015 #28

Chuck Grassley recommends this post. KMOD Aug 2015 #32

What are your legal credentials? MohRokTah Aug 2015 #33

He doesn't have any. It's his opinion and, as they say, opinions are like assholes... Metric System Aug 2015 #36

I agree Gothmog Aug 2015 #175

What does that matter? Show where the post is wrong. Octafish Aug 2015 #225

Cool story, bro! Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2015 #38

FYI: you were alerted on. Action_Patrol Aug 2015 #82

I'm sure... Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2015 #84

I knew the meme. Made me smile Action_Patrol Aug 2015 #86

What were the results? Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2015 #87

3-4 leave Action_Patrol Aug 2015 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Aug 2015 #94

Yeah... Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2015 #102

I didn't know it was "old joke".. but i smiled 'cause it sounded like somebody the hell had to say Cha Aug 2015 #204

Why project your own hobbies to others? revbones Mar 2016 #244

Why are you gravedigging old threads from August of last year? Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #246

I just saw the ignorant comment on a thread in the latest threads list so I thought I'd reply. revbones Mar 2016 #249

That's funny. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #250

PS Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #247

When I first saw this thread on my phone I knew it would bring you 'lots of love'. Thanks for Purveyor Aug 2015 #41

You just know somewhere in DC Trey Gowdy is stroking it to this thread. Metric System Aug 2015 #42

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #45

There was no classified content on her server, KMOD Aug 2015 #47

Then why does Obama's DNI IG say there was? jeff47 Aug 2015 #50

Because Chuck Grassley believes on of his emails KMOD Aug 2015 #53

Chuck Grassley controls Obama's intelligence agencies? jeff47 Aug 2015 #58

He's the one making the stink. KMOD Aug 2015 #63

No, the DNI Inspector General is also "making the stink". jeff47 Aug 2015 #66

Not true. Anonymous sources are making claims about the DNI IG. n/t pnwmom Aug 2015 #113

The DNI IG testified before Congress. jeff47 Aug 2015 #138

And he didn't say this during his testimony. n/t pnwmom Aug 2015 #140

He said they found classified emails during his testimony. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2015 #154

He didn't say they found emails that were classified at the time of origination. pnwmom Aug 2015 #155

It's just your opinion, as your supporters in this thread have argued. That's about as much thought Metric System Aug 2015 #48

Res ipsa loquitur DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author carolinayellowdog Aug 2015 #91

IMO, she's covered by the hole between 18 USC e and f jeff47 Aug 2015 #57

That's going too far. Jester Messiah Aug 2015 #108

Well, it would fucking help make our case against TPP Cry Aug 2015 #221

This post is a lie; Hillary is not being investigate for anything: Nothing but a GOP attack! lewebley3 Aug 2015 #61

Would Bernie Sanders say smut such as the OP? NO, he would not and woud be very riversedge Aug 2015 #67

Dude... JackInGreen Aug 2015 #68

At high levels of government the laws are subjective. Everyone knows this. PatrickforO Aug 2015 #71

yep, definitely true Fast Walker 52 Aug 2015 #104

Keep the recs coming! Yay right wing conspiracy theories on DU! DanTex Aug 2015 #88

You are using facts against a conservative talking point Gothmog Aug 2015 #173

It is our own bit of free republic right here. Makes me sick. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #174

I'm looking forward obnoxiousdrunk Aug 2015 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Aug 2015 #105

I thought the State Dept. already said everything was ok. jalan48 Aug 2015 #97

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #99

Translation nichomachus Aug 2015 #101

Utter nonsense. Numerous NAMED, not anonymous, sources throughout government pnwmom Aug 2015 #111

What you have done is equivalent to posting laws against murder pnwmom Aug 2015 #121

Vince Foster knew that Hillary planned to ... JoePhilly Aug 2015 #128

Wow. You should make this an OP. Make sure you put the word "felony" pnwmom Aug 2015 #130

The plan had a name too .... REDRUM!!!! JoePhilly Aug 2015 #131

LOL SunSeeker Aug 2015 #161

The issue about the private server isn't going away Catherina Aug 2015 #126

What was hacked were the .gov accounts state department officials used, pnwmom Aug 2015 #139

hello CAtherina! grasswire Mar 2016 #252

This is where Sidney Blumenthal comes in, apparently. grasswire Mar 2016 #253

Why are these threads continuing? blackspade Aug 2015 #132

Thanks for saying that. KMOD Aug 2015 #145

Because some people lack confidence in their preferred candidate, so they post garbage about others. pnwmom Aug 2015 #153

This again? murielm99 Aug 2015 #141

... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #148

Recommended. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #150

SORRY, Righties, State Dept. Says There’s Nothing Illegal About Hillary’s Emails liberal N proud Aug 2015 #152

that is not the issue. grasswire Mar 2016 #254

What struck me about this post ... staggerleem Aug 2015 #156

A post from "an above board" Bernie supporter. brush Aug 2015 #163

+1,000,000! nt MADem Aug 2015 #194

Agreed, I will vote for the winner. The alternative will kill people. Period. Not acceptable. n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #197

".. this reply ws written by a REAL Bernie Sanders supporter... " Not someone spreading Cha Aug 2015 #205

This is old and simply not true - misrepresentations, lies, whatever - here are links to facts Sancho Aug 2015 #159

Bottom line: She would not need a team of lawyers to cover her @$$ if she Zorra Aug 2015 #160

Once you get to Hillary's rank in politics, you always have a team of lawyers passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #199

One of the most worthless OPs of the month. And that's saying something! randome Aug 2015 #162

One more hide and the poster takes a vacation. zappaman Aug 2015 #191

there are no more vacations for jury hides. grasswire Mar 2016 #255

Yes, the comment I made in August of 2015 is no longer valid. zappaman Mar 2016 #257

I didn't know Trey Gowdy had an account here. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #164

Exactly. This is something you would expect on GOP.con moobu2 Aug 2015 #167

The hatred of Hillary Clinton on this site is transparent. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #168

Dems are concerned this would blow up in the general. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #177

This garbage belongs at free republic. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #178

Nonsense. I suggest you attempt to understand the AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #182

Better? Get over yourself! hrmjustin Aug 2015 #183

Alrighty then. Another toxic primary it is. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #184

Then don't patronize me. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #185

Then I suggest first aid for your foot... Cry Aug 2015 #222

My foot is fine. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #232

Why go to the Free Republic when you can see the same material here Gothmog Apr 2016 #261

I have some questions for the seminal poster that I would request he or she answers DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #169

This post shows some Sanders supporters will just post anything to take Hillary down. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #170

A falsehood from start to finish. okasha Aug 2015 #171

Or back to free republic. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #172

Or maybe Cato Institute, okasha Aug 2015 #179

And yet the praises continue to come in. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #180

Trump has adoring fans, too. okasha Aug 2015 #186

Yes he woukd destroy garbage like this in a second. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #187

Oh look freeper/Limbaugh /Hannity /Fox news workinclasszero Aug 2015 #188

The Hillary Clinton e-mail ‘scandal’ that isn’t Gothmog Aug 2015 #189

Yawn. zappaman Aug 2015 #190

Short reply to this post... Rosco T. Aug 2015 #195

Can we PLEASE stop talking about bullshit like this, and disscuss eridani Aug 2015 #200

Are you a Republican? Onlooker Aug 2015 #202

The fact that you mention her private server shows that you don't understand this case Recursion Aug 2015 #206

Jesus Christ on a Trailer Hitch Hekate Aug 2015 #207

What a fucking pantload... SidDithers Aug 2015 #208

And you are completely wrong according to the AG who investigated Petreus stevenleser Aug 2015 #209

Hindsight is better than foresight and Madame Secretary's judgment is open to scrutiny... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #210

It don't taste like chicken.... John Poet Aug 2015 #213

OK, if the 1950s Records Act applies apnu Aug 2015 #214

Have you contacted the Attorney General to demand her indictment? brooklynite Aug 2015 #215

Gosh. Ex-CIA man is going to prison for getting a phone call from a reporter. Octafish Aug 2015 #223

Trying again, huh, good thing cooler heads prevail. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #226

Then why hasn't she been indicted? tblue Aug 2015 #228

Enough of this silly bullshit. RBInMaine Aug 2015 #234

If I were on the jury, Not Guilty. Call it jury nullification or whatever you like. Hoyt Mar 2016 #245

Kick for timeliness / FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #248

Hillary's "not marked classified" line or Jarqui Mar 2016 #256

Kick for visibility. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #258

Still missing a step. Orsino Mar 2016 #259

This makes me smile Gothmog Jul 2016 #262

So how did that work out for you? DanTex Jul 2016 #263