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In reply to the discussion: CNN and Reuters: Inspectors General concluded Clinton emails presumed classified [View all]leveymg
(36,418 posts)11. That section refers to different crimes as specified at subsections (a),(b) and (c)
I addressed those differences in my post yesterday, as follows:
Applicable statutes and Executive Order:
1) 18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information
Full copy of this Section of the 1917 Espionage Act is below. It has been claimed that Hillary did not violate the law because she didn't intend to injure the U.S. or aid a foreign power. However, that purpose is not required to convict under this Subsections (e) and (f) of this statute.
Subsections (a)-(d) and (g)(conspiracy) reference and require intent to injure the United States. The plain-language of Subsection (e) and particularly (f) are different:
The difference is this phrase that references purpose in the first three subsections; "with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation, Note: "is to be used"
The language in (e) is close but omits reference to purpose to injure: "he possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation". The word intent is not there. Note: "could be used"
Finally, the offense specified at (f) requires not willful action, simply a negligent action:
(1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or
(2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer
The differences between Sections (e) and (f) and the various other offenses covered in Section 793 comes down to the element of intent to injure the US or act to the advantage of a foreign power. These are not requisite elements of the offenses covered under these sections of the Espionage Act.
1) 18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information
Full copy of this Section of the 1917 Espionage Act is below. It has been claimed that Hillary did not violate the law because she didn't intend to injure the U.S. or aid a foreign power. However, that purpose is not required to convict under this Subsections (e) and (f) of this statute.
Subsections (a)-(d) and (g)(conspiracy) reference and require intent to injure the United States. The plain-language of Subsection (e) and particularly (f) are different:
The difference is this phrase that references purpose in the first three subsections; "with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation, Note: "is to be used"
The language in (e) is close but omits reference to purpose to injure: "he possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation". The word intent is not there. Note: "could be used"
Finally, the offense specified at (f) requires not willful action, simply a negligent action:
(1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or
(2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer
The differences between Sections (e) and (f) and the various other offenses covered in Section 793 comes down to the element of intent to injure the US or act to the advantage of a foreign power. These are not requisite elements of the offenses covered under these sections of the Espionage Act.
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CNN and Reuters: Inspectors General concluded Clinton emails presumed classified [View all]
leveymg
Aug 2015
OP
Talk about a desperate media going into the weeds to find....something, something.....strange
Fred Sanders
Aug 2015
#1
Because if the "judgment" label peels off maybe the folks will buy the "arrogant" label....funny stuff.
Fred Sanders
Aug 2015
#15
Whew! Good to know! At least I convinced someone at DU to not vote for Trump. My work on
Fred Sanders
Aug 2015
#24
Clinton "loyalists" understand that allying with the propaganda of the corporate mass media is a bad move.
Fred Sanders
Aug 2015
#4
The only thing "seriously damaged" has been the credibility of the corporate mass media, but
Fred Sanders
Aug 2015
#9
My fear is that the FBI/DoJ investigations won't be done until after she wins the primary
askew
Aug 2015
#18
That section refers to different crimes as specified at subsections (a),(b) and (c)
leveymg
Aug 2015
#11
You're citing from a different part of the Act. Note the different language, particularly at (f)
leveymg
Aug 2015
#23
The spokesman is at odds with the Department's own IG. Recall that both the State and IC IGs
leveymg
Aug 2015
#38
But, the DOJ now has a lot of leverage. Sec. 793 felony or plead down to Sec. 1924. Leverage
leveymg
Aug 2015
#48
Polls show that isn't true. People are paying attention and her trustworthy #s are
askew
Aug 2015
#19
"Screwed up email" might be omission of caps, bad spelling, and run-on sentences.
leveymg
Aug 2015
#32
You say "rich" like earned wealth accumulated by public service through a life time is a bad thing....that is what is turning a lot of folks off...
Fred Sanders
Aug 2015
#21
The issues with her use of a private, unsecured email server involve classified information
leveymg
Aug 2015
#27
The State Dept. made no such determination about any laws broken. That's a fallacy.
leveymg
Aug 2015
#39
No, the FBI is NOT investigating Hillary - not their A Team, their B Team, or their C Team.
George II
Aug 2015
#44
Just her unauthorized server on which she had classified information is the target. At this point.
leveymg
Aug 2015
#58
From a reliable source as opposed to Facebook, personal attorney, or political ally Media Matters.
AtomicKitten
Aug 2015
#53
It has not been debunked. The FBI has taken over the investigation which is still in progress.
AtomicKitten
Aug 2015
#56