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Armstead

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64. Those are called goals -- all candidates give them
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:13 PM
Aug 2015

Amazing how when he acts in accordance with normal political principles 101, he's accused of being weird. Sanders - and those of us who support him -- are fully aware of how it works.

As for his "happy talk" no, he is stating goals that would make this a hell of a lot better and healthier country. People like Clinton make vague claims that are similar -- except she avoids mentioning the real underlying causes or the necessity for significant reforms to solve them.

Personally I think we should break up banks -- which have been allowed to grow to destructive scale -- or we should at least bring them down to more reasonable size, through anti trust and other regulation -- which can be done as history has proven.

Take down Wall St. -- Not "take it down" but regulate and control it again. (See first point.)

Get rid of money in campaigns. Seems to me he and Hillary and O'Malley say the same thing about that as a goal. Bernie has at least taken steps by promoting a large amount of grass roots donations, as a step in that direction for his main find raising strategy. He has also introduced legislation for public financing that Clinton could, if she chose, express support for.







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Why thank you, Justin! boston bean Aug 2015 #4
And of course how dare you bring up such a point. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #5
Wouldn't an extremely principled candidate who is so against something boston bean Aug 2015 #7
Honestly I think he just might. But yes he and those who complain about this should be challenged. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #10
Why would someone so principled want to participate in something that is "rigged"? boston bean Aug 2015 #13
Great question. If he feels it is rigged maybe he should stand on principle and not participate. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #18
i do not think he would. he talks a good game, but he wants to stay in tight with dems seabeyond Aug 2015 #19
Yes. He wants to keep the party at arms length but won't let go. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #22
and i am ok with that. this man is a politician. i get that. i do not hold him to a standard seabeyond Aug 2015 #34
I just wish his followers would show a little realism. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #39
supporters justin. i am a believer. we are supporters seabeyond Aug 2015 #43
Fair enough. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #45
ah.... seabeyond Aug 2015 #49
Never me. And i get yelled at more often now. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #52
O'MALLEY has also complained Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #85
yes. and he and his family are within the democratic party and have been a lifetime and will seabeyond Aug 2015 #86
I don't think there is a difference Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #94
and i do think there is a difference. so we disagree. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #97
Then he can test the dnc. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #90
Yes he did. Andy823 Aug 2015 #101
Except H. Clinton wouldn't come out of hiding to participate and the DNC would then exclude him rhett o rick Aug 2015 #51
Oh, poor bernie, participating in a process he feels is rigged. boston bean Aug 2015 #61
but principle. right? character. morals and integrity. here is the thing. of course, seabeyond Aug 2015 #62
lol cali Aug 2015 #82
Not as low as you. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #89
I miss the unrec button. Scuba Aug 2015 #2
Me too. villager Aug 2015 #9
Especially for these ultra trash-worthy threads. nt Snotcicles Aug 2015 #35
I look forward to reading your comments in this "ultra trash-worthy" thread.... DonViejo Aug 2015 #67
Yeah, me too. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #69
Only people who have something to hide like this schedule. Fawke Em Aug 2015 #3
Only a poor orator would think six debates isn't enough to get his points across. BlueCaliDem Aug 2015 #17
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o. k. seabeyond Aug 2015 #36
bernie playing five dimensional chess! LOL boston bean Aug 2015 #50
If you say so, Genghis Khan. eom sheshe2 Aug 2015 #56
Genghis Khan. raping of women. i always wonder about the new poster that seabeyond Aug 2015 #63
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #91
lmao. and i can fuckin respect that and be tickled by it. seabeyond Aug 2015 #93
Once again, it's the exclusivity clause that is at issue here.. frylock Aug 2015 #55
With all the positive coverage Senator Sanders is getting on weekends and for his huge rallies BlueCaliDem Aug 2015 #6
Ask Bernie. nt boston bean Aug 2015 #8
shows you want to complain but won't take any action. seabeyond Aug 2015 #11
If Sandrs were to do that he's be attacked for not "playin well with others:" Armstead Aug 2015 #20
he has a history. that history tells him that running third party is a loss. he isnt stupid. seabeyond Aug 2015 #29
First of all, he is certainly not saying "happy fun things" Armstead Aug 2015 #42
are you SERIES!!1!1. lol. htis, you and i disagree. free college, 15 an hour, free health care, seabeyond Aug 2015 #46
Those are called goals -- all candidates give them Armstead Aug 2015 #64
i see omalley and clinton addressing the same issues as sanders. i see their plans though seabeyond Aug 2015 #73
I like many of O'Malleey's proposals too. But here's an uncomfortable truth. You are right. Armstead Aug 2015 #77
this is not a new and unknown concept and not like it is not repeatedly said by dems. seabeyond Aug 2015 #92
Here's how I see it Armstead Aug 2015 #100
Lot of hot air, little action. BlueCaliDem Aug 2015 #23
supporters keep saying, people get to know sanders he will gain ground. i got to know the man. seabeyond Aug 2015 #31
This is exactly how I feel. His legislative accomplishments are wafer-thin. And it's BlueCaliDem Aug 2015 #60
i really do look at the candidate that i think will get the most done. that is high on my priority seabeyond Aug 2015 #66
I'd suggest that you look at WHY more of the things he has proposed don't pass Armstead Aug 2015 #72
Or go a step further and enter the General Election as a third party candidate aikoaiko Aug 2015 #12
What? And break his oft-repeated promise to not be a spoiler? BlueCaliDem Aug 2015 #26
Hey, Im not the one suggesting Bernie break rules to show integrity. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #57
Right, he will just follow the rules of a process he feels is "rigged". boston bean Aug 2015 #65
I know you HRC fans are sensitive to the integrity issue given perceptions of your candidate.. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #78
Bernie feels there is an issue. And he has said he feels it is rigged. boston bean Aug 2015 #80
Unless what? Seems you're having trouble finishing your sentence. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #84
i am not a clinton supporter. intergrity is important in my day to day life. i know it well. seabeyond Aug 2015 #95
Who are you saying has not earned the assignment of integrity? aikoaiko Aug 2015 #96
i think we assign a hell of a lot more to sanders than reality. he is a man, a politician. seabeyond Aug 2015 #99
Interesting. LWolf Aug 2015 #14
He believes it is rigged. He agrees with someone else who feels the same way. boston bean Aug 2015 #24
+ 1000 BlueCaliDem Aug 2015 #54
i do believe we need to get them going sooner. i am good with 6. i need 3. i compromise, lol seabeyond Aug 2015 #75
Bernie Sanders has always been a chickenshit Armstead Aug 2015 #15
Anyone can talk. He has a chance here to take a principled stand. boston bean Aug 2015 #16
Yes talk is cheap. Armstead Aug 2015 #25
I know sometimes it is difficult to hear someone give an opinion. boston bean Aug 2015 #27
Hey, you gave an opinion. I gave my opinion of it. Armstead Aug 2015 #30
i can stand up and say all kinds of shit that will make people happy and feel warm all over. seabeyond Aug 2015 #21
The point is that the OP is just snarky bullshit Armstead Aug 2015 #28
mmm. i see more. it is something i have been considering seabeyond Aug 2015 #40
OK Boston, but forgive me if I point out that your post may be a little self serving in that PatrickforO Aug 2015 #32
As if that would not be met with howls and shrieks of outrage because Bernie "did not follow the djean111 Aug 2015 #37
Wow, Hillary bucked the DNC! Why doesn't Bernie? nt boston bean Aug 2015 #38
Oh, my, as if you are not salivating at the thought of Bernie being tossed out of the Dem djean111 Aug 2015 #48
I'm not salivating about that. I'm pretty pissed he is saying a process he is boston bean Aug 2015 #59
I think he is correct. As is Martin O'Malley. djean111 Aug 2015 #68
You feel ok with his words regarding this, that is fine. boston bean Aug 2015 #70
Yep. I am good. Thanks for the permission. djean111 Aug 2015 #79
I wasn't giving permission. But you know that. boston bean Aug 2015 #83
The thing is, being sarcastic to me does not accomplish anything, and being sarcastic towards djean111 Aug 2015 #98
Funny how the establishment is awfully convenient BainsBane Aug 2015 #41
You help make it clear that Clinton is afraid of debates. She is hoping to hang on to rhett o rick Aug 2015 #44
oh, that's what I did.... lol boston bean Aug 2015 #47
Why do you seem to avoid posting in threads pertaining to actual issues? rhett o rick Aug 2015 #53
How's about this? I'll post what I like. boston bean Aug 2015 #58
"You help make it clear that Clinton is afraid of debates. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #71
Thanks bb... sheshe2 Aug 2015 #74
strategically you go through at least the first couple of debates before you do that still_one Aug 2015 #76
Can't help bu agree AuntPatsy Aug 2015 #81
Heh! ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #87
Is that what Hillary is doing? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #88
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