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In reply to the discussion: CNN and Reuters: Inspectors General concluded Clinton emails presumed classified [View all]DemocratSinceBirth
(102,065 posts)37. Okay
(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense,
(1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or
(1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or
The State Department publicly confirmed today that Hillary Clintons use of personal email while serving as Secretary of State violated no laws or policies that were in place at the time, bringing an end to the substantive side of the email scandal if certainly not the political side. Clintons opponents in the 2016 election and their followers have been hoping the issue would force her out of the election, but now theyll be reduced to simply trying to create a scandal where none exists, after the departments official words today.
State Department official spokesperson John Kirby appeared live on CNN today and flat out stated that she was not violating policy. Like many other high ranking officials who came before and during her tenure, Hillary Clinton opted to bypass the wonky email servers provided by the department due to the fact that they couldnt, for instance, properly work with mobile email apps on smartphones. Previous Secretaries of State Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice have acknowledged having done the same.
http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/state-department-confirms-hillary-clinton-email-violated-no-laws-or-policies/21851/
How can she be "grossly negligent" when her employer said she complied with her employer's policies?
(2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
There is no evidence that "the same has been removed from its possible place of custody" and Secretary Clinton "fail(ed) to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer."
Please provide a list of all governmental officials who were successfully prosecuted for violations of The Espionage Act and the factual basis for the prosecution. Or in the alternative you can concede that no governmental official was ever prosecuted under the same factual basis as Secretary of State Clinton.
Thank you in advance.
We are back to square one. One has to look to the legislative intent and history of a law to divine who should and should not be prosecuted for violations of it. That's why the law has been used almost exclusively on traitors, spies, subversives, and leakers.
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CNN and Reuters: Inspectors General concluded Clinton emails presumed classified [View all]
leveymg
Aug 2015
OP
Talk about a desperate media going into the weeds to find....something, something.....strange
Fred Sanders
Aug 2015
#1
Because if the "judgment" label peels off maybe the folks will buy the "arrogant" label....funny stuff.
Fred Sanders
Aug 2015
#15
Whew! Good to know! At least I convinced someone at DU to not vote for Trump. My work on
Fred Sanders
Aug 2015
#24
Clinton "loyalists" understand that allying with the propaganda of the corporate mass media is a bad move.
Fred Sanders
Aug 2015
#4
The only thing "seriously damaged" has been the credibility of the corporate mass media, but
Fred Sanders
Aug 2015
#9
My fear is that the FBI/DoJ investigations won't be done until after she wins the primary
askew
Aug 2015
#18
That section refers to different crimes as specified at subsections (a),(b) and (c)
leveymg
Aug 2015
#11
You're citing from a different part of the Act. Note the different language, particularly at (f)
leveymg
Aug 2015
#23
The spokesman is at odds with the Department's own IG. Recall that both the State and IC IGs
leveymg
Aug 2015
#38
But, the DOJ now has a lot of leverage. Sec. 793 felony or plead down to Sec. 1924. Leverage
leveymg
Aug 2015
#48
Polls show that isn't true. People are paying attention and her trustworthy #s are
askew
Aug 2015
#19
"Screwed up email" might be omission of caps, bad spelling, and run-on sentences.
leveymg
Aug 2015
#32
You say "rich" like earned wealth accumulated by public service through a life time is a bad thing....that is what is turning a lot of folks off...
Fred Sanders
Aug 2015
#21
The issues with her use of a private, unsecured email server involve classified information
leveymg
Aug 2015
#27
The State Dept. made no such determination about any laws broken. That's a fallacy.
leveymg
Aug 2015
#39
No, the FBI is NOT investigating Hillary - not their A Team, their B Team, or their C Team.
George II
Aug 2015
#44
Just her unauthorized server on which she had classified information is the target. At this point.
leveymg
Aug 2015
#58
From a reliable source as opposed to Facebook, personal attorney, or political ally Media Matters.
AtomicKitten
Aug 2015
#53
It has not been debunked. The FBI has taken over the investigation which is still in progress.
AtomicKitten
Aug 2015
#56