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2016 Postmortem

In reply to the discussion: Democrats vs. Socialists [View all]

lovemydog

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18. I'm a democratic socialist.
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 02:15 AM
Aug 2015

We vary in our views, just as democrats and socialists are all slightly different. Speaking for myself, I'll tell you what I believe.

1. I too believe in a mixed economy. I believe the banking industry should be reigned in a lot further. I believe health care should be not for profit. I'm not in favor of nationalizing any industries by government seizure of the means of production. I believe social security should be strengthened and expanded. I believe in a minimum income for those who are able to work and cannot find work. I think it would reduce crime and improve the lives of many and save us a lot of money that we waste on incarceration. I think we can afford it.

2. I do not believe America is the hope of the earth. I don't believe it's the worst country either, and that we can take a leadership role. I believe that leadership can and should be shared with other countries. I vehemently oppose military action merely for the purpose of seizing oil or throwing our military weight around to achieve outcomes that are only good for huge corporations, not for average Americans. I believe we can do a much better job taking care of our veterans and provide them with high quality free health care and high quality training and jobs programs and free educations. I think the military-industrial complex is too powerful in this country. Too many mainstream democrats do nothing to curb it primarily because they are beholden to large donors and lobbyists who gain financially from it's continuation.

3. I think single is something we should be striving for. We have more than enough wealth in this country to achieve it. I'm please that many more Americans are covered by health insurance and won't go bankrupt by an illness, under the Affordable Care Act. I also believe insurance companies and the health care industry take too much profit and that government can and should reign it in to provide lower cost health care to more people.

5. I don't scream 'jail the banksters!' I'm more interested in what we do going forward. I believe the big banks, those deemed 'too big too fail' are a monopoly that should be broken up. No one industry should have that much power. I'd be don't mind the 40% income tax so long as we increase the capital gains tax to Clinton era levels, which are double what they are right now.

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Democrats vs. Socialists [View all] ericson00 Aug 2015 OP
OK. I'll say it. Wilms Aug 2015 #1
Well, your "good summary" has convinced me. Avalux Aug 2015 #2
+1 daleanime Aug 2015 #4
Since words fail me, I'll just second what you said Hydra Aug 2015 #11
+1 Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #16
+2 haikugal Aug 2015 #49
Yep. cyberswede Aug 2015 #61
No popcorn, I'll say this is what makes a Democracy Iliyah Aug 2015 #3
I know, its scary. It seems that none of them know what the situation was from 1968-1988; ericson00 Aug 2015 #5
HRC will become President of the USA, I have no doubt on that. Iliyah Aug 2015 #8
I remember it well, and it was not good still_one Aug 2015 #22
Bernie Sanders is a proponent of Scandinavian-style democratic "socialism" The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #6
no one said anything about Soviet-style socialism, ericson00 Aug 2015 #12
I'm not saying there is no poverty at all in Scandinavia. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #13
Well done. Interestingly, your articulate reply to a deeply flawed OP PatrickforO Aug 2015 #28
Some Democrats believe what you list. The emphasis being on "some". Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #7
"Some" but the Democratic Party has opinons and suggestions and issues Iliyah Aug 2015 #14
at the very least, its Chavismo ericson00 Aug 2015 #15
If you express an opinion be its not in favor of others, and then you are ridiculed Iliyah Aug 2015 #17
I don't hate Clinton, I just don't think she's fit to be president. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #59
If it's Democratic Capitalism, I'll pass. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #19
I think the majority of Dems, at least the base, is much closer to Bernie than the establishment PatrickforO Aug 2015 #32
What planet did you just come in from? Paka Aug 2015 #9
Planet not to be named. PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #23
It was a comet that had a tail n/t Ichingcarpenter Aug 2015 #25
I've been seeing 'n/t' a lot at the end of posts. What does n/t mean? PatrickforO Aug 2015 #33
n/t = no text below the title line. Not sure about the comet! n/t ms liberty Aug 2015 #43
Lol! I love this part neverforget Aug 2015 #10
You know, nationalizing the Fed wouldn't be too bad, though... PatrickforO Aug 2015 #29
I'm a democratic socialist. lovemydog Aug 2015 #18
Well THAT certainly is a fairer way to describe it than the caricature above. No doubt there. PatrickforO Aug 2015 #30
Roy Zimmerman tells us why we've been ruined by socialism... beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #20
That was good. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #21
Thanks! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #24
I will have to check that one out as well. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #26
Of course, we already have a single payer health care system in the US. Garrett78 Aug 2015 #27
LOL PatrickforO Aug 2015 #31
Medicare doesn't currently extend to 300 million people ericson00 Aug 2015 #37
You say "even Obama"... Garrett78 Aug 2015 #39
your ignorance is almost as impressive as your sexism cali Aug 2015 #34
OMG the socialist and commies are coming Truprogressive85 Aug 2015 #35
when did I ever deny the existence of racism? ericson00 Aug 2015 #38
Or the top marginal tax rate of 91%... Garrett78 Aug 2015 #41
Is this from The Onion? Andy Borowitz - is that you? djean111 Aug 2015 #36
"I'm going to vote for the Democrat, who is Hillary Clinton" Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #40
I didn't say she was the only one ericson00 Aug 2015 #42
Then you should have called her "a Democrat", instead of "THE Democrat". Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #44
Well, there's your problem.... ms liberty Aug 2015 #46
***This*** beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #47
Chaffee has been a Democrat for 27 months, Bernie co-founded the largest Democratic Caucus in Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #50
Now, there is a sales pitch! (sarcasm, of course) rogerashton Aug 2015 #45
The "big tent" only expands to the right. TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #48
Testify! And if I might add... MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #51
I am not sold on the Scandinavian method, I am not sold on the socialist method. Just as some Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #52
I am not a fan of labels. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #53
Identity politics ftw JackInGreen Aug 2015 #54
No point in arguing with obvious trollbait. last1standing Aug 2015 #55
LMAO yup, this is red baiting 101 nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #56
Well.... 2 points Armstead Aug 2015 #57
Okay...I haven't read all the comments, but I'm gonna get into the weeds here... ion_theory Aug 2015 #58
Oy veh. nt cyberswede Aug 2015 #60
TOPS Ron Green Aug 2015 #62
The Legacy of McCarthyism AOR Aug 2015 #63
Progressive Red-Baiting AOR Aug 2015 #64
Misrepresenting the Left: We Are Not Liberals AOR Aug 2015 #65
The Function of the Democratic Party in the Political System AOR Aug 2015 #66
Why Socialism ? AOR Aug 2015 #67
That should be a start on helping you on your journey ericson... AOR Aug 2015 #68
Happy reading, ericson! Oilwellian Aug 2015 #69
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