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seabeyond

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15. no. it is not a meta post, basically or otherwise. it is a fuckin position that he holds.

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Sanders: I wouldn�t end drone program [View all] seabeyond Aug 2015 OP

I certainlyy hope not Armstead Aug 2015 #1

ALL dems, as last resort. i personally feel that has been one of obamas shining moments, seabeyond Aug 2015 #7

"posters on du say sanders is for women cause he does not do war"? arcane1 Aug 2015 #13

no. it is not a meta post, basically or otherwise. it is a fuckin position that he holds. seabeyond Aug 2015 #15

If you say so n/t arcane1 Aug 2015 #18

yes. i do say so. pretty damn obvious. seabeyond Aug 2015 #20

Bingo. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #21

Pretty much never. DURHAM D Aug 2015 #30

It's not meta, but most of the replies are about his supporters on DU arcane1 Aug 2015 #32

LOL! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #42

I think this is the new hobby, after chasing subliminal b-words in signatures n/t arcane1 Aug 2015 #61

And complaining about BOOBS2016!!! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #64

OH, GROW UP!!!! Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #84

That PROVES Bernie's a misogynist! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #94

Never. hifiguy Aug 2015 #144

Refrigerator magnet poetry. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #60

But always way less intelligible than that. kath Aug 2015 #78

The Iraq war wasn't a last resort. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #28

I assume you are aware the sea is not a Hillary supporter. nt DURHAM D Aug 2015 #31

The sea has not offerend any endorsements, that Im aware of. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #80

so, you and others only position is a thread of insulting me? seabeyond Aug 2015 #83

Durham said "I assume you are aware the sea is not a Hillary supporter" Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #90

"Some people invite insults, Frank. It would be impolite not to oblige." hifiguy Aug 2015 #146

you're just mad cause you can never win an argument from a girl.... seabeyond Aug 2015 #147

I will let Rainbow Dash speak here for me hifiguy Aug 2015 #149

do we get some sparkly dust too seabeyond Aug 2015 #150

Win an argument? ....What kind of prize is that? Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #177

That picture... Agschmid Aug 2015 #175

That was groovy. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #178

Yup, it's a good one. Agschmid Aug 2015 #179

This is the sea. SMC22307 Aug 2015 #138

yes two words - if necessary Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #128

I agree with him there Lorien Aug 2015 #133

And who gets to decide this necessity for war? AuntPatsy Aug 2015 #152

It is the right answer still_one Aug 2015 #2

yes. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #8

And what is your opinion on that, Seabeyond? Scootaloo Aug 2015 #3

post 7. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #10

And what is your opinion on that, Scootaloo? George II Aug 2015 #197

I hope President Sanders gives the use of drones a very thorough re-examination Scootaloo Aug 2015 #198

rut row DURHAM D Aug 2015 #4

rut row.... ;) seabeyond Aug 2015 #11

Isn't this a line in the sand for a lot of DUers? nt DURHAM D Aug 2015 #19

yes it is. many times over. repeatedly. never ending. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #23

So I guess they will be moving on to _____________ DURHAM D Aug 2015 #26

nah. he didnt vote iraq so all is well. boy, that was close. lol. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #27

Sure was when it was Obama using them. Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #143

That was before the Sand Storm hit. Can't find the pic, but it would wipe out the line. n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #196

This is the best you guys can come up with? Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #53

It is better than your rolling head. nt DURHAM D Aug 2015 #65

I am reminded of the Zen joke. The student says to the master "Master! Master! I understand!" Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #93

OH GROW UP WARREN!!! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #115

Never! Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #125

Me either! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #131

It's news on BS supporting Drones.. after all the accusations of President Obama being a "murderer" Cha Aug 2015 #163

well if I was one of those posters, I might consider it relevant. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #169

I know you're not.. but, that doesn't lessen the ugliness that's been thrown at President Obama all Cha Aug 2015 #170

It doesn't, but, maybe the fact that even Bernie Sanders is on the same page on certain National Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #171

And? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #5

Is any candidate saying he or she won't commit to war or use drones? mhatrw Aug 2015 #6

supporters. thankfully not candidates. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #12

Chafee....FYI Sancho Aug 2015 #154

Good for Chafee. mhatrw Aug 2015 #173

Yikes, this and his principled stance on the DP = 2 points for Chafee. Perhaps I could become the seaglass Aug 2015 #191

Chafee is not my favored candidate, but it's interesting that he took on the drone issue. Sancho Aug 2015 #192

He thinks we've been sloppy with drones, and he's right. arcane1 Aug 2015 #9

maybe cause not all of us would label it as sloppy and when using drones at any point we can label seabeyond Aug 2015 #14

I label killing innocent people sloppy. You are free to disagree n/t arcane1 Aug 2015 #16

ah, now we will keep an illusion that he will be so fuckin precise, there will be no slop allowed seabeyond Aug 2015 #17

"41 men targeted but 1,147 people killed: US drone strikes � the facts on the ground" think Aug 2015 #38

What is your standard for "sloppy"? Scootaloo Aug 2015 #24

i am not even close or kinda close to being a military expert. hence, hiring someone i trust. seabeyond Aug 2015 #29

But you chided arcane1 for his opinion that the strikes have been "sloppy." Scootaloo Aug 2015 #33

yes. i chided the notion that we will use drones and not have collateral damage. seabeyond Aug 2015 #34

You're in luck, because nobody expressed that notion n/t arcane1 Aug 2015 #35

"I label killing innocent people sloppy." you did. right here. killing innocent people sloppy seabeyond Aug 2015 #37

It sounds like you didn't read your own OP arcane1 Aug 2015 #40

again... you would hear all dems say that. reality is a bit different, you think? and again, seabeyond Aug 2015 #41

I know you want play "gotcha" and pretend I'm some sort of hypocrite. arcane1 Aug 2015 #50

??? seabeyond Aug 2015 #57

"Assume" - there's your problem. Scootaloo Aug 2015 #47

If that's the case, it is on the same military people treestar Aug 2015 #189

Sanders was wise enough to vote against the ill conceived Iraq war. I trust he'd use similar think Aug 2015 #22

he was in a position for it to be an easy and safe vote for him. wasnt easy and was not a safe a seabeyond Aug 2015 #25

Fuck that! It was a vote against a terrible war that should NEVER been voted for! think Aug 2015 #36

fuck fact and reality of 13 yrs ago. see, i do not do that. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #39

The facts are your candidate sent men women to their death with her vote for a war based think Aug 2015 #43

who is my candidate? seabeyond Aug 2015 #45

My guess would be HILLARY! Even if not your response is still REPRHENSIBLE! think Aug 2015 #55

omalley seabeyond Aug 2015 #62

Welcome to ignore! think Aug 2015 #70

thanks for telling me ahead of time, like i will remember, or something, lol seabeyond Aug 2015 #73

I NEVER ignore people... revmclaren Aug 2015 #124

I think we all know Duckhunter935 Aug 2015 #56

ya. it is. but thanks for insisting i cannot choose who i am supporting. seabeyond Aug 2015 #63

oh you can and have Duckhunter935 Aug 2015 #67

these are really offensive posts when you do not allow a person their position. but whatever seabeyond Aug 2015 #71

how? Duckhunter935 Aug 2015 #82

well. yes. you are telling me who i support repeatedly. seabeyond Aug 2015 #85

So I will now say "appear to support" Duckhunter935 Aug 2015 #89

you are wrong. i have told you, you are wrong. and still you ignore me and tell me i am wrong seabeyond Aug 2015 #92

Anybody but Bernie!!1! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #69

keep up. omalley clinton bernie. that order. rings on fingers, bells on toes if sanders wins.... seabeyond Aug 2015 #75

You are all anti Bernie all the time. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #86

162,000 Iraqi civilians confirmed dead as a direct result of our invasion Scootaloo Aug 2015 #130

i think the iraq vote was horrible. and i thought it then, too. i also get the rest of the seabeyond Aug 2015 #136

If that's the case, why are you coming at sanders for his "no" vote? Scootaloo Aug 2015 #140

i am not. you sanders supporters really have to get off seeing a simple statement you do not adher seabeyond Aug 2015 #141

It rather read that way Scootaloo Aug 2015 #142

Do you believe that political expediency is the only motivation behind his "no" vote? seabeyond Aug 2015 #145

sadly, I'm not done Scootaloo Aug 2015 #153

Drones are good now. IF they're being used by a President Sanders. In all other cases they are bad. Metric System Aug 2015 #44

cause he is so precise he will kill no innocent people. seabeyond Aug 2015 #49

It's magical thinking. Metric System Aug 2015 #52

so what is Hillary going to do Duckhunter935 Aug 2015 #58

i am sure the same thing. this is not my campaign stance. so i cannot say for sure. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #66

so why are you only tearing down Bernie? Duckhunter935 Aug 2015 #74

They're not. They're using Bernie to tear down DUers who support him n/t arcane1 Aug 2015 #79

to challenge the lies. like. i will never support clinton and even not vote, because she votes war seabeyond Aug 2015 #88

At least you're admitting your OP was about supporters, not the candidate. arcane1 Aug 2015 #96

my post was about putting facts out about sanders, not promoting nontruths. seabeyond Aug 2015 #98

Bravo! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #123

She did vote for the war. That is a simple fact and is about her not her supporters. Live and Learn Aug 2015 #168

i am a believer in reality. a lie sitting there. be it making sanders more than he is or clinton seabeyond Aug 2015 #81

You are the only one saying that, you know. arcane1 Aug 2015 #72

do you think sanders can use drones without killing innocent people? seabeyond Aug 2015 #91

Stupid question. That is always a risk, but it can be minimized. arcane1 Aug 2015 #102

you said innocent death is sloppy. so when i said any drone use will be innocent death, seabeyond Aug 2015 #107

That's the entire reason he would be more selective about using them. arcane1 Aug 2015 #110

i think all dems would argue that. and all dems would find themselves in a position where seabeyond Aug 2015 #113

Bzzt! Straw man. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #132

Exactly! Drones are fine now! R B Garr Aug 2015 #77

I disagrere with Bernie on this one. I realize there have been innocent people killed by them, napi21 Aug 2015 #46

the only answer to not killing innocent civilians is never to go to war seabeyond Aug 2015 #54

So this kind of proves that Sanders CAN BE a Commander in Chief? Autumn Aug 2015 #48

Yep Duckhunter935 Aug 2015 #59

i think it is a good thing and a given. i am tired of hearing that he is anti war when clearly, seabeyond Aug 2015 #68

Nobody is saying he would never use force to defend the country. You are making this up on your own. arcane1 Aug 2015 #76

i am told sanders is greater woman supporter cause he does not vote for war. it has been used seabeyond Aug 2015 #95

Then take it up with the person who claimed Sanders would never defend the country. arcane1 Aug 2015 #105

Being anti war is not the same thing as being a pacifist. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #104

as all dems say. nothing new there seabeyond Aug 2015 #108

So you understand the difference now? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #112

no. i see rhetoric. factually i do not see a difference. seabeyond Aug 2015 #114

Of course you don't. That's why you thought the op was your gotcha moment. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #117

fact. simple unadulterated fact. seabeyond Aug 2015 #120

What fact was that? That Bernie is anti war? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #122

And he's right. There's nothing magical or spooky about "drones", either. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #51

agreed seabeyond Aug 2015 #97

Are people demanding that HRC, or O'Malley swear off drones? If they are, they're wrong there too. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #101

i wouldnt suggest any of them swear off drones. where did that come from? i agreed with your post seabeyond Aug 2015 #111

Im just wondering. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #119

wonder all you like. i plainly made my statement. seabeyond Aug 2015 #121

Ok, if you insist! Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #127

well warren. i almost missed this. seabeyond Aug 2015 #184

Yeah, she's great. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #193

+1 beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #137

BREAKING NEWS FLASH: NEITHER WILL HILLARY! L0oniX Aug 2015 #87

actually, i think omalley is the best. then clinton. then sanders. what that has to do with OP is seabeyond Aug 2015 #99

You and everyone are welcome to believe that Hillary will not continue to drone the unadjudicated. L0oniX Aug 2015 #106

Bernie supporters voting for the lesser of two evils ... surprise. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #181

lol, true that. now what? lol. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #185

lol, sea! Thanks for this thread! It is shining a well-needed light! R B Garr Aug 2015 #100

you would think it was the end of the world, or something. lol. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #103

Exactly! R B Garr Aug 2015 #109

thanks. outta of here for now. things to do. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #118

Drones don't arrive at Dover in flag draped coffins. underpants Aug 2015 #116

I agree with the drone policy... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #129

The professional left will turn a blind eye to this Dawson Leery Aug 2015 #126

exactly. thank you. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #139

They are now arming drones revmclaren Aug 2015 #134

Yes, very good, can't call him soft on defense (nt) HappyPlace Aug 2015 #135

And suddenly on DU mcar Aug 2015 #148

" Suddenly " ????? Don't look at who holds the record for most innocent killed by Drones or how many orpupilofnature57 Aug 2015 #151

After years of calling President Obama a "murderer" .. now drones are ok because BS supports them? Cha Aug 2015 #164

Exactly cha mcar Aug 2015 #182

Thanks Seabeyond, good information Sancho Aug 2015 #155

"Legally the same" Bonobo Aug 2015 #156

because no honest person can say anything beyond that since we have not seen him in action. so ya... seabeyond Aug 2015 #157

That's ridiculous. While nothing is certain, the propensity of Hillary to vote for wars is clear. Bonobo Aug 2015 #158

Lecturing about honesty? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #160

As drone policy...yes... Sancho Aug 2015 #159

you should take a look at the thread in LBN. Now drones are R B Garr Aug 2015 #161

i actually really did lol. lol. ah ha. ya. precision. wont get any innocents. we got that in seabeyond Aug 2015 #162

And poor Jimmy Carter was accused of micro-management of the military....!! MADem Aug 2015 #180

this has become quite the video thread. seabeyond Aug 2015 #183

LOL, good one! He'll need a new hashtag: R B Garr Aug 2015 #195

you.... seabeyond Aug 2015 #199

"Sanders: I wouldn�t end drone program".. yeah, because they have been effective. And, there Cha Aug 2015 #165

Holy Shit Sea--you ruled this thread ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #166

holy shit ism.... seabeyond Aug 2015 #186

I'm reminded of several things on this issue: freshwest Aug 2015 #167

I don't think war ever ends. seabeyond Aug 2015 #187

K&R Jamaal510 Aug 2015 #172

It's OK If You're Bernie is the new IOKIYAR betsuni Aug 2015 #174

IOKIYAR. dont make me look it up. and absolutely. i agree with what you are saying. seabeyond Aug 2015 #188

He will be targeting bad people.... SouthernProgressive Aug 2015 #176

no sloppy for sanders. ya. boggles the mind. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #190

as a last resort whereas Clinton will use it as an immediate go-to option. Hiraeth Aug 2015 #194

i do not believe for a minute it would be an immediate go-to option. all dems say last resort seabeyond Aug 2015 #200

Many thanks for the great and informative thread, Seabeyond! Koinos Aug 2015 #201

ah, see, i am right there with you. seabeyond Aug 2015 #202

Your objectivity stands out in these threads. Keep it up. Koinos Sep 2015 #203