2016 Postmortem

L0oniX

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70. I'm starting to feel sorry for her...

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Wed Sep 2, 2015, 11:12 AM

Sep 2015

NOT! Fooled ya!

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Ultimately, if Hillary has inspired dislike, distrust and even hatred, it is on her. [View all] Bonobo Sep 2015 OP

"You made me hit you!!" JoePhilly Sep 2015 #1

Exactly. BlueCaliDem Sep 2015 #27

It's not the same thing at all. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #39

^^^ Exactly ^^^ eom R. P. McMurphy Sep 2015 #96

Yup. She has been hated since the day she said she didn't want to just bake cookies. pnwmom Sep 2015 #81

Absolutely correct. JoePhilly Sep 2015 #125

I liked her after she said she didn't want to just bake cookies. senz Sep 2015 #132

I'm fine with her not baking cookies. Being diabetic, I don't do it either eridani Sep 2015 #138

A political campaign is much different than what you jwirr Sep 2015 #97

Nailed it...nt SidDithers Sep 2015 #112

Of course, she brought it on herself. NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #2

The joke is on the ones believing the mass media is not out to get Hillary....head, meet sandbox! Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #5

The mass media is out to get ratings Armstead Sep 2015 #20

Making Bush look good is the plan after a week of trying to make Cheney look good. They can do it. Word: Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #21

No. The mass media are out to get another Republican in the White House. BlueCaliDem Sep 2015 #36

The Mass Media is not monolithic Armstead Sep 2015 #45

Actually, it is. Only SIX corporations own over 90% of what we hear, see, and read. BlueCaliDem Sep 2015 #56

And 2016 will be their most money-making year ever, thanks to Super-PACs and unlimited funds arcane1 Sep 2015 #103

We need a Congress to curb that corruption. We need a SCOTUS to overturn C.U. BlueCaliDem Sep 2015 #128

I'm well aware of that....and have been for decades Armstead Sep 2015 #108

That was then. This is now. Maybe Dems back then were too complacent. Maybe they liked big money, BlueCaliDem Sep 2015 #129

Of coure nothing will get done. That's been the mantra for years about everything Armstead Sep 2015 #130

With a President Sanders, it's a guarantee nothing will get done. BlueCaliDem Sep 2015 #133

I disagree with your characterization except to say... Armstead Sep 2015 #135

We can agree to disagree, then. But here's a vid that supports what I claim. BlueCaliDem Sep 2015 #143

I'll agree to disagree on that too Armstead Sep 2015 #144

Okay. BlueCaliDem Sep 2015 #147

I believe own eyes and ears and brain. cali Sep 2015 #66

Really? pinebox Sep 2015 #68

They've gone after Obama to little effect. CanadaexPat Sep 2015 #93

And, if Democrats prefer Hillary to Bernie by a large margin, that's on both of them. DanTex Sep 2015 #3

as much as I have antipathy for Hillary DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #4

I tend to agree -- Clinton doesnlt help hwr case by being "above it all" Armstead Sep 2015 #23

Oh, I'm sure she thinks of such things, and does what she thinks is best for Hillary. A Simple Game Sep 2015 #100

Comparing the GOP war on women to terrorists war on woman was not a left hook to the jaw? Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #24

That was clumsy on Clinton's part Armstead Sep 2015 #48

So Clinton just needs more training on how to properly bait the media and land a political punch....like Trump? Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #50

I would hope at this point in her life and career she would not need training Armstead Sep 2015 #53

Sanders does not attack anyone but those needing attacking, and none of them has been Clinton. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #57

Prsonally I think Sander's approach is a possible solution to the "What's the Matter with Kansas" Armstead Sep 2015 #60

100%. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #62

Bernie seems to attack the IDEA, not the person The Green Manalishi Sep 2015 #75

The GE is 14 months away. The primary is in 5 months. onehandle Sep 2015 #6

At this point in the 2008 primary media campaign, I believe Clinton was ahead of Obama in Iowa and it was tight in NH. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #30

When did they rename The United States of America 'Iowa?' onehandle Sep 2015 #37

Clinton's national numbers are even stronger than her Iowa and NH very early numbers..... Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #41

any loss demonstrates her weaknesses cali Sep 2015 #69

Yeah. Like that Obama guy back in 2008. onehandle Sep 2015 #76

Unlike Obama AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #95

Yes, but let's not forget that Obama got more delegates than Clinton. It made all the BlueCaliDem Sep 2015 #46

Hence the gnashing of teeth over those "unfair" Democratic Party rules well known for years. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #49

That's something that has me scratching my head. It's always been this way and the best BlueCaliDem Sep 2015 #58

People aren't gnashing teeth over those "unfair" Democratic Party rules well known for years.. frylock Sep 2015 #67

In 1972, Humphrey had more popular votes in the primaries than McGovern. 1939 Sep 2015 #105

Yes, but in 1968 through delegates, Humphrey won the Democratic nomination just as Obama BlueCaliDem Sep 2015 #127

Direct comparisons are not valid -- John Edwards Armstead Sep 2015 #51

Which was kind of the point of my response! Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #52

Maybe you and I agree more often than it seems to me Armstead Sep 2015 #54

"Universally predicted to win the nomination." I don't think "universally" is the right word. Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #94

and sometimes you can have a preference for one without dislike of the other choice NRaleighLiberal Sep 2015 #7

O'Malley especially. HappyPlace Sep 2015 #31

This is my thinking. We are sitting in the catbird seat here, with two good Squinch Sep 2015 #99

I think that most people seem to like to fight, squabble, thrive on drama and conflict. NRaleighLiberal Sep 2015 #113

On another note, I thought of your photos when I bought some beautiful Squinch Sep 2015 #115

I spent much of the morning sorting through my plants - some thrive still NRaleighLiberal Sep 2015 #116

Sounds great! I bought so many of the tomatoes that I'll have to use quite a few for dinner tonight. Squinch Sep 2015 #117

12% for Congress, 12% approval of 60 million Hispanic voters, at least, for the GOP frontman. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #8

Glaring error in your post - Her favorability among Democrats is 80% OKNancy Sep 2015 #9

People dislike her, because she stands with the powerful, monied class against the rest of us. nt Romulox Sep 2015 #10

But Sanders talks like he did 40 years ago BUT is firmly Gloria Sep 2015 #12

Can't listen to video on this computer... Maedhros Sep 2015 #89

They had the bills ready for the Senate and the House Gloria Sep 2015 #101

I'd certainly like to see Sanders address this. Maedhros Sep 2015 #110

The video is worth seeing...he cites the bill numbers and Gloria Sep 2015 #118

I'm of the opposite position: business-as-usual will not work. Maedhros Sep 2015 #119

Unfortunately, this will not happen... Gloria Sep 2015 #121

"Whether you say you can, or you say you can't - you're absolutely right." Maedhros Sep 2015 #122

But it's not just Democrats that change this... Gloria Sep 2015 #123

"Stop fighting" is not much of a rallying cry. Maedhros Sep 2015 #124

Her favorabilities among Democrats is 80% DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #11

That's probably not good enough to win the Presidency. You guys keep forgetting that the Primary is Romulox Sep 2015 #15

Yet she leads all her presumptive GOP opponents and Trump and Bush are more underwater. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #18

No, she loses to various Republicans in several polls. Again, it's self-delusion time. nt Romulox Sep 2015 #19

NO, SHE DOESN'T DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #25

LOL. It works better with your fingers in your ears! Romulox Sep 2015 #28

Keep insulting me, pal. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #32

Will do! nt Romulox Sep 2015 #33

I am sure you will... It's easy to do over the internet. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #35

LOL. An internet tough guy! You're too much. nt Romulox Sep 2015 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #40

There isn't anything I have ever said to anybody on the internet I wouldn't say in person. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #61

Internet threats are still gauche, even if you style yourself a "real life" tough guy. nt Romulox Sep 2015 #71

I wasn't threatening anybody. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #79

Of course not. You're *far* too clever for that. But you gave me such a hint! nt Romulox Sep 2015 #80

The hint was that I don't use the anonymity of the internet to gratuitously insult virtual strangers DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #82

And yet here we are! nt Romulox Sep 2015 #85

Yes, a modicum of respect for your interlocutor is a good thing DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #87

i jsut expressed myself here. now, granted, i only read you title. seabeyond Sep 2015 #13

I like Hillary, I just don't want her in or near the White House. I don't trust her to put my needs Autumn Sep 2015 #14

You said it! pinebox Sep 2015 #74

Isn't this like your 10th anti-Hillary post this week? LuvLoogie Sep 2015 #16

Truth hurts...a LOT. Romulox Sep 2015 #17

Word: Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #42

I only count 9.... But of course all one is doing is forwarding the messages of "messengers". Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #26

Yep it's that old Faux pas Sep 2015 #22

Nailed it. Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #29

The country has "Hillary Fatigue" and will never elect her to office. HappyPlace Sep 2015 #34

That's a good way to say iot "Hillary Fatigue" Armstead Sep 2015 #55

What's more.... HappyPlace Sep 2015 #59

plus Honduras, Libya, and the runup to Yemen and Syria as SoS MisterP Sep 2015 #83

Yes to the fatigue. SoapBox Sep 2015 #77

Another word: Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #43

So I take it you hate Hillary liberal N proud Sep 2015 #44

Wait until the debates-Hillary's numbers will really tank then. jalan48 Sep 2015 #47

It's no so much "on her" as "her problem to solve" jeff47 Sep 2015 #63

I have to say that right now, I am leaning toward Bernie strictly for his policies. world wide wally Sep 2015 #64

I'm talking to voters in Southern California. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #65

I'm starting to feel sorry for her... L0oniX Sep 2015 #70

What an enormous crock of shit. Darb Sep 2015 #72

I have no candidate yet, but the media comes down on HRC every day due to that silly thing WI_DEM Sep 2015 #73

Talk all you want about Bernie's and Hillary's credentials . . . DrBulldog Sep 2015 #78

Hmmmmmm.... kath Sep 2015 #92

Voter Turn out in the General Election is what will really matter YabaDabaNoDinoNo Sep 2015 #84

Do you also blame Obama for the kenyan muslim stuff? Renew Deal Sep 2015 #86

Funny you ask! Scootaloo Sep 2015 #111

Well played.. Fumesucker Sep 2015 #142

well, you simply can't have the "paper of record" after you and yours stupidicus Sep 2015 #88

Only Latte-driving, Volvo-sipping white elitists hate Hillary progree Sep 2015 #90

To be fair, though, both of the Clintons have been hounded mercilessly by both Nay Sep 2015 #91

So if someone dislikes and distrusts you, Bonobo, you accept that as being your own fault? Squinch Sep 2015 #98

Like or dislike tends to be personal preference AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #102

Again, the premise of the OP is that if people dislike or distrust Hillary, it is her Squinch Sep 2015 #106

If someone doesn't trust you AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #107

So you agree with the OP that when someone dislikes and distrusts AgingAmerican, they are Squinch Sep 2015 #109

I never said they were correct Bonobo Sep 2015 #146

. Squinch Sep 2015 #148

in this case just look at those who hate her, and yes i mean the ones who hate JI7 Sep 2015 #134

Just an issue of personality? saiyo Sep 2015 #104

Blah, blah, blah. Metric System Sep 2015 #114

My position is that not everything against her Puzzledtraveller Sep 2015 #120

Blaming the victim (eom) HassleCat Sep 2015 #126

But wait -- she inspires shameless flattery from her email correspondents senz Sep 2015 #131

Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi. Mean anything to you? applegrove Sep 2015 #136

She inspires nonoe of that in me. What I don't like is her policies n/t eridani Sep 2015 #137

She's got a ticket to ride, but she don't care. Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #139

I liked her - a lot - when she was advocating universal health care, but when she ... Scuba Sep 2015 #140

For me, her sociopathic statements like "We came, We saw, He Died!" reveal her true self. Bonobo Sep 2015 #141

K&R! Katashi_itto Sep 2015 #145