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Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
80. Except Bernie isn't phrasing it that way.
Wed Sep 2, 2015, 01:48 PM
Sep 2015
“Where we’ve got to move is not growth for the sake of growth, but we’ve got to move to a society that provides a high quality of life for all of our people. In other words, if people have health care as a right, as do the people of every other major country, then there’s less worry about growth. If people have educational opportunity and their kids can go to college and they have child care, then there’s less worry about growth for the sake of growth.”


That is Sanders' phrasing, from the article in your OP, and his point is very clear, through the phrasing - that redistribution is simply more important than worries over growth.
So am I. nt LWolf Sep 2015 #1
Exactly. Growth, by definition, is an unsustainable concept. HappyPlace Sep 2015 #95
YES. nt LWolf Sep 2015 #122
#feelTheBern2016 newfie11 Sep 2015 #2
Neo liberal austerity garbage Ichingcarpenter Sep 2015 #3
I agree, Sanders should not be conceding garbage neo-liberal economic talking points DanTex Sep 2015 #5
You have no clue on what you are talking about Ichingcarpenter Sep 2015 #19
Umm, the links are by Stiglitz and Piketty. Do you consider them neo-liberal? DanTex Sep 2015 #22
He does, and supplies links. Also check my post because I do know what I'm talking about. PatrickforO Sep 2015 #130
Indeed...too many are now "wised up" about Wall Street and the Rest KoKo Sep 2015 #111
what growth? ibegurpard Sep 2015 #4
Can't put it any better than that. Thank you. djean111 Sep 2015 #7
+1000 Hydra Sep 2015 #41
...! KoKo Sep 2015 #113
/\_/\_This right here_/\_/\ Scuba Sep 2015 #119
I would recommend but for the editorial comment by the OP. morningfog Sep 2015 #6
+1 dorkzilla Sep 2015 #52
Self-pwned by your own OP marmar Sep 2015 #8
Create jobs by demonizing wealth. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #9
Have you even read your own sig ? TheFarS1de Sep 2015 #11
really? lol n/t retrowire Sep 2015 #12
Is that a Ronald Reagan quote? Armstead Sep 2015 #18
wow. nt m-lekktor Sep 2015 #64
5 minutes ago the talking point was that Sanders supporters are all 1%er elitists. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #96
yeah it's a bad looking growth though retrowire Sep 2015 #10
I get the feeling that some of your critics never bothered to read the material at the MADem Sep 2015 #13
The responses say a lot about the economic literacy level of Hillary bashers. DanTex Sep 2015 #15
Ain't that the truth...! MADem Sep 2015 #17
Battling for a share of an increasingly smaller economic pie... DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #37
Dan I gotta be honest with you Armstead Sep 2015 #24
You're a smart person too, which means you certainly are aware of the Hillary bashing going on here. DanTex Sep 2015 #30
She does make me want to throw my shoe -- as have many other Democrats over the last 30 years Armstead Sep 2015 #36
I don't buy the "both sides" thing in this case. There are a lot of asymmetries. DanTex Sep 2015 #40
It's all a matter of whose ox is being gored. I feel the same way you do from the other side. Armstead Sep 2015 #46
Not in this case. I've seen no threads accusing Sanders of being a racist. Can you link to one? DanTex Sep 2015 #48
Well, I'm going to agree to disagree Armstead Sep 2015 #49
I think most of the folks disagreeing with you here... Blus4u Sep 2015 #39
Yes, that is my take on this OP and replies, too. Hiraeth Sep 2015 #88
A one track mind is a burden to all. But I have reason to agree with BS on this: freshwest Sep 2015 #107
Well, one supposedly did ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #26
Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #63
What the ever loving fuck??? sufrommich Sep 2015 #66
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #71
So glad it got a Hide. Cha Sep 2015 #134
Glad that racist dribble got a Hide. Cha Sep 2015 #133
Actually, wealth redistribution can help growth. It can produce more demand in an economy. mmonk Sep 2015 #14
Yes, that was my point. DanTex Sep 2015 #16
. mmonk Sep 2015 #21
Decreasing wealth inequality is the only way to lasting growth that won't come crashing down in RichVRichV Sep 2015 #87
+1 mmonk Sep 2015 #100
Rule Number One: Never trust economic arguments. Never. DetlefK Sep 2015 #20
Well, the problem is, you have to make economic policy somehow, so you have to trust something. DanTex Sep 2015 #23
Exactly. And we have plenty of examples through global history. mmonk Sep 2015 #27
And we've been trusting the wrong people and somethings for too long Armstead Sep 2015 #32
Hillary is not Bill. DanTex Sep 2015 #33
It's not a matter of "sacrificing" growth. It's what type of growth. Armstead Sep 2015 #38
It is in the way Bernie is phrasing it. DanTex Sep 2015 #44
Except Bernie isn't phrasing it that way. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #80
Clearly implying that he's willing to accept less growth in order to redistribute. DanTex Sep 2015 #84
Correct. Not, as you have insisted, that redistribution necessitates stymieing growth. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #89
WTF??? LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #60
Which do you disagree with? Obama more left than Bill, or Hillary more left than Obama? DanTex Sep 2015 #69
Socially or economically? LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #70
Both. DanTex Sep 2015 #75
So are you still clinging to the strawman that Bernie wants to sacrifice growth? LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #77
He came out and said that he was willing to see less growth. I'm not mischaracterizing it at all. DanTex Sep 2015 #82
Actual headline: The thing Bernie Sanders says about inequality that no other candidate will touch Hiraeth Sep 2015 #93
Poor choice of wording is "sacrifice". "Controlled growth" would be a better phrase, I think. Hiraeth Sep 2015 #90
Do you trust the "trickle-down-theory"? DetlefK Sep 2015 #34
No. DanTex Sep 2015 #35
Our leaders have trusted that if they take care of the wealthy the wealthy will in turn take care of Autumn Sep 2015 #42
False premise. RDANGELO Sep 2015 #25
Actually, that was the OP's point. N/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #28
Which is why Bernie shouldn't be talking about sacrificing growth. DanTex Sep 2015 #31
Bernie is right. We shouldn’t worry so much about economic growth if that growth serves Autumn Sep 2015 #43
Except he's not. Sacrifice is your word, your imagery, your choice, Bernie is not saying any such Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #59
+1,000 LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #61
The OP will not respond. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #62
I do believe there is a name for such an argument, where one misrepresenst the views LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #65
thank you. no wonder this thread is a hot mess. Hiraeth Sep 2015 #92
The words he used that seem to be invisible to you are Autumn Sep 2015 #114
Economic Growth Is Dead - Redistribution Is All That Is Left cantbeserious Sep 2015 #29
We need to start talking about reducing growth Hydra Sep 2015 #45
Context! drm604 Sep 2015 #47
Pish. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #50
Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #51
This argument is disingenuous. nt. druidity33 Sep 2015 #53
Eeek! Bernie wants to take away our yachts!!! Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #54
LMAO!!! beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #121
I'm sooo tired of hearing kacekwl Sep 2015 #55
You mischaracterize, he does not say 'sacrifice growth' he says pursue healthy growth and equitable Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #56
"Socialism! BOOGA WOOGGA!" LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #57
Sounds like boloney to me; elleng Sep 2015 #58
Did I accidentally stumble into Reaganomics Underground or something Cheese Sandwich Sep 2015 #67
Sort of LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #72
Good luck trying to win a presidential campaign arguing that we don't need growth. DanTex Sep 2015 #76
You are reinforcing an inaccurate portrayal Armstead Sep 2015 #78
"Healthy" growth rates in this case means "lower" growth rates. DanTex Sep 2015 #86
and they might Armstead Sep 2015 #91
Of course he is. That is his objective. djean111 Sep 2015 #101
yep. Hiraeth Sep 2015 #108
But he doesn't say that. You're totally making that up. arcane1 Sep 2015 #81
Except he's not talking about redistribution at the expense of growth. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #83
Apparently the drug war is great, too, it just needs more money. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #97
I believe that is a good thing, as current growth is not sustainable. Xyzse Sep 2015 #68
We ought to talk to the Pope about this. Ron Green Sep 2015 #73
When 99% of all new 'growth' goes to the top 1% AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #74
I'm glad he and I are in agreement. arcane1 Sep 2015 #79
Until balance is obtained the pendulum will make a wide arc. Simply put, Sanders is right. Hiraeth Sep 2015 #85
Conservatives claim it is a zero sum game -- it's not Armstead Sep 2015 #94
Fuck capitalism ... GeorgeGist Sep 2015 #98
And that is why I support him - TBF Sep 2015 #99
Sorry I'm late to this thread. Now please tell me what the fuck this is all about. HappyPlace Sep 2015 #102
damn, I had to look twice to make sure I wasn't on National Reviews m-lekktor Sep 2015 #103
Growth is a myth....redistribute now. bowens43 Sep 2015 #104
That works for me. Repugs are always talking "growth" whathehell Sep 2015 #105
Unfettered growth isn't always good; just look at cancer. n/t Avalux Sep 2015 #106
Unrec. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #109
It is OK, Dan. We got this. Relax. Agony Sep 2015 #110
Unrec right wing tripe. PowerToThePeople Sep 2015 #112
Bingo! Scuba Sep 2015 #120
This is one of my many concerns with Bernie as our candidate. DCBob Sep 2015 #115
Yes, conservative Democrats who have the same views as the GOP Armstead Sep 2015 #116
It's getting harder to tell the difference between the two. Puzzledtraveller Sep 2015 #118
Because if we all have more, we participate in the economy, more. Puzzledtraveller Sep 2015 #117
This is rather close to a republican argument. kenfrequed Sep 2015 #123
Ironically, it's Bernie who is conceding the supply-side economics talking points here. DanTex Sep 2015 #125
You paraphrase poorly Armstead Sep 2015 #127
How wonderfully dishonest of you. kenfrequed Sep 2015 #128
unchecked growth is called cancer JackInGreen Sep 2015 #124
I rec'd the post for what Sanders said NowSam Sep 2015 #126
Ah, the new establishment meme! PatrickforO Sep 2015 #129
It's a losing strategy in the GE. Plain and simple. redstateblues Sep 2015 #131
Because I think that, long term, we need to change our economic model to one based on sustainability Agnosticsherbet Sep 2015 #132
In and of itself, "growth" only benefits the rich. Ken Burch Sep 2015 #135
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