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VanillaRhapsody

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188. No actually I am not

Reply to beam me up scottie (Reply #187)

Thu Sep 3, 2015, 11:22 AM

Sep 2015

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Why Hillary Clinton Has the Best Track Record on Women's Issues [View all] riversedge Sep 2015 OP

Not if you consider her opposition to same-sex marriage and support of banning late term abortions. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #1

Oh come on!!!!' VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #2

Clinton Seeking Shared Ground Over Abortions beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #3

Clinton votes against late term. Hillary Clinton Scolds US House for Banning Late-Term seabeyond Sep 2015 #52

Her EXACT WORDS: "I have said many times that I can support a ban on late-term abortions" beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #54

the only vote she voted nay.... went after repugs ass recently. seabeyond Sep 2015 #55

Because of the exception, she still supported the ban. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #66

the onyly vote... she voted NAY seabeyond Sep 2015 #68

But she said she supported banning late term abortions. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #70

she voted NAY against ban on late term abortions seabeyond Sep 2015 #71

That doesn't contradict what I posted. She still supported banning late term abortions. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #73

2003 she voted NAY on ban on late term abortions. seabeyond Sep 2015 #75

That's good. Now how does that prove I was wrong when I said she supported banning them? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #76

2003 she vote nay on late term abortion seabeyond Sep 2015 #77

How does that prove I was wrong? Answer that and we'll be done. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #78

her bottom line has ALWAYS been saying NAY to a ban on late term abortion. whether you are done or seabeyond Sep 2015 #80

Okay so you admit I was right. Good. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #83

Actions speak louder than words.. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #100

Why? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #101

Sicks and syones may break my bones VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #104

Bingo. earthside Sep 2015 #107

What's my "identity"? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #108

Are you female? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #115

Where did I tell anyone what to believe? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #116

You did it earlier this week VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #119

Did I? I don't remember telling anyone what to believe. Got a link? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #120

Yes you did VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #123

??? Where's the link where I told someone what to believe? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #124

So did you disagree with it them VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #127

LOL! Disagree with what? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #128

Not your strong suit VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #130

Reading your mind? I don't think it anyone's strong suit. Or anyone's wish. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #133

Yes....in this case it really does... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #109

Who's a white hetero male? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #110

Are you female? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #112

Why would that matter? Would it change the facts I posted? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #114

It matters big time VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #117

Yes. I definitely think women can speak for themselves. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #118

And ACT for themselves VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #121

Oh, definitely. Too "buddy". Whatever that means. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #122

Dont fiegn ignorance VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #125

I have no idea what you're on about. Perhaps you should be more clear. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #126

You know exactly what I am talking about VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #129

My peers are men? Really? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #131

It proves disingenousness VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #98

How is posting facts disingenuous? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #99

Because actions speak louder than words... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #102

You keep using that word... beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #103

No I do nott think you know the difference VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #105

Why? Men can't post facts? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #106

What "facts"? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #111

Here: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #113

words... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #132

Words "I have said many times that I can support a ban on late-term abortions" beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #135

"Can" being the operative word here VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #137

Where do you see "male telling females about thier lady parts.."? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #138

... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #140

Why can't you answer? You mean the men I work with are my peers? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #142

Words VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #143

How does that disprove her own words here: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #145

Because... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #150

That's exactly what I posted! VERY GOOD! *bmus claps* beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #152

Except you denied she said "can" VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #157

Where did I deny she said "can"? I posted the same quote. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #158

You just did upthread, VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #161

Where? Post# or link. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #162

Where you tried to also creatively VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #165

Where did I edit anything?: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #166

But didnt.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #167

What did I say her words meant "when they were made...."? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #169

I have no idea WTF you are trying to say.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #172

You tell me what I said that was false and what I "edited". beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #173

Perhaps, you tell me why you keep posting her words VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #174

Because you said I was being disingenuous and editing her words. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #175

And perhaps you are reading something into them VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #178

How is posting her own words taking them out of context? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #179

By posting her actions VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #181

Keep digging! beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #183

I am not the one peddling VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #186

Yeah, you kind of are. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #187

No actually I am not VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #188

And that proves that what I posted was false and/or edited? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #189

It proves you are the one peddling feces.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #190

How? Which post(s) exactly was it peddled in? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #191

All of them in this discussion apparently... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #192

So that proves the quote I posted was false and/or edited how? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #193

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #144

BUSTED! beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #146

it was a childish game. seabeyond Sep 2015 #149

She started it. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #151

asking a question? no questions allowed. that is starting something, in your book. done. again. seabeyond Sep 2015 #154

Bye! beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #155

I am not the one tat VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #153

I posted facts, you argued, then you posted the same facts. But I think I know better? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #156

I posted the fact that she said "can"...which VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #159

What post did I deny that in? Link? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #160

Yes she supported banning late term abortions Autumn Sep 2015 #194

Thank you. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #195

Ah BMUS. You are a better woman than I Autumn Sep 2015 #196

"Can" is very different than would VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #134

Can: be able to/be permitted to or iow would beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #136

Definition VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #139

She didn't say "I have said many times that I CAN support a ban on late-term abortions"? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #141

Oh really? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #147

I'm not arguing, I'm posting her own words. You don't seem to like them. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #148

But fox newsified it by "creatively" editting VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #163

I posted the exact quote from ontheissues. What part did I edit? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #164

So then WTF point were you trying to make? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #168

I posted her own words to prove she supported a ban on late term abortions. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #171

No by your own definition in fact VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #176

Prove it. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #180

She voted no... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #184

That proves she never said she supported a ban? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #185

Hillary on the sanctity of marriage: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #5

Bernie on "What Women Want." MADem Sep 2015 #7

"old shit"? Hillary didn't support marriage equality until 2013. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #8

Hillary never once suggested any of the stuff Sanders suggested in his little opus. MADem Sep 2015 #10

Unlike Bernie she opposed equal rights for lgbt people and wanted to ban late term abortions. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #12

No--this is sick, sad and hilarious--all at once. MADem Sep 2015 #22

Why are you so obsessed with that essay? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #23

Why are you so obsessed with old positions that HRC does not hold? MADem Sep 2015 #26

And like I said neither 2013 or 2000 is ancient history. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #27

If her position has changed, and it is clear it has changed, your only purpose is to throw shade. MADem Sep 2015 #28

Citing her civil rights record is not "misrepresenting" her position. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #30

Well, then "citing" Sanders views on male-female relationships, and his view of women as "dependent" MADem Sep 2015 #32

Old material - she only started supporting marriage equality 2 years ago: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #34

Your frantic gish gallop doesn't change the fact that you've misrepresented her current views. MADem Sep 2015 #36

Where did I misrepresent them? Point it out. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #37

You started in post one, and you kept on going from there. MADem Sep 2015 #40

Where? Post the exact words where I misrepresented her "current stance on issues". beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #41

You can read as well as the next person. MADem Sep 2015 #42

Exact quote "I can't trust someone who NEEDED TO EVOLVE on civil rights to support mine." beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #43

No, it's not as clear as you want to pretend it is, now. MADem Sep 2015 #44

Really? Which one of these statements left her current positions unclear: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #46

You focus on her past positions and fail to articulate her current ones. MADem Sep 2015 #48

"Hillary Has the Best Track Record on Women's Issues" means her PAST RECORD matters. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #50

Keep posting those rape fantasies and ignoring her record. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #59

You are hyper-replying so I'll leave you to it. One answer is sufficient. MADem Sep 2015 #82

Because I said that's what right wing nut jobs do, focus on sex instead of issues? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #86

It's not a gish gallop. BMUS is sticking to one subject. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #95

Nope because he never tried to restrict anyone's rights. She did. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #63

Are you seriously saying we did not use to have laws that made women dependant? ieoeja Sep 2015 #170

Not sure how you made THAT leap, but thanks for playing. MADem Sep 2015 #197

she opposed marriage equality, as did sanders until 2009. staying QUIET on the issue si NOT support seabeyond Sep 2015 #57

Bernie voted against DOMA in 1996. That vote WAS him supporting marriage equality. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #62

as you have been told repeatedly, was not voting to protect marriage equality. sanders stayed quiet seabeyond Sep 2015 #64

WHEN did he stay quiet? What interview? You keep saying that but you never post proof. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #65

thru out his career until 2009 when he first stood up for marriage equality. seabeyond Sep 2015 #67

That's your word, it's not proof. Try again. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #69

ONE time sanders used the words, marriage equality before 2009. silence does not equal support seabeyond Sep 2015 #72

He voted against DOMA, that means he voiced his support of marriage equality. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #74

sanders stayed silent, certainly did not mention marriage equality. those who spoke voted against seabeyond Sep 2015 #79

LOL! That's your proof? An interview that never happened? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #81

yes. i have made the point repeatedly. silence is not support. you got it. seabeyond Sep 2015 #85

So not saying something = saying something? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #89

"So not saying something = saying something?" i would think this would be an obvious answer for you seabeyond Sep 2015 #91

So Hillary does support barbecuing puppies. Wow. That's awful. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #92

Late term abortion only votes count. Marriage equality only words count. ieoeja Sep 2015 #177

Exactly. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #182

They have to go back into the archives to find anything to gripe about.... MADem Sep 2015 #6

Many wanted to know what she did as S of STATE. The op has some of her accomplishments. riversedge Sep 2015 #88

Yes. MADem Sep 2015 #90

Really...You Laugh Off Lesbian Identified Women? billhicks76 Sep 2015 #13

I see u mentioned Bernie. I have an idea Cali_Democrat Sep 2015 #17

Because one has been right all along. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #18

You don't give her any credit at all--you keep repeating her old positions, and then get mad MADem Sep 2015 #29

The title of the op is "Why Hillary Clinton Has the Best Track Record on Women's Issues" beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #31

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't matter. MADem Sep 2015 #33

An old essay doesn't equal not supporting civil rights. But this 40 year old letter matters too: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #35

An old essay with some sick views on male-female dynamics, that the author has called dumb, stupid MADem Sep 2015 #38

Where did I "mischaracterize Clinton's current views"? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #39

........... MADem Sep 2015 #45

Exact quote "I can't trust someone who NEEDED TO EVOLVE on civil rights to support mine." beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #47

I can direct you to the post where I slapped down that excuse, too. MADem Sep 2015 #49

Point out where I "misrepresented her current views". beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #51

For the third time, post one, and every post thereafter where MADem Sep 2015 #53

"Let's abolish all laws dealing with abortion, drugs, sexual behavior (adultery, homosexuality, etc) beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #56

So? That's not the point. The point is you misrepresented Secstate Clinton's MADem Sep 2015 #93

I posted evidence of her past record of opposition to civil rights because that IS the point. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #94

Hillary has been bad on SSM jfern Sep 2015 #4

I think it was a difference in approach more than anything else. MADem Sep 2015 #9

All of the states that got SSM for a while before jfern Sep 2015 #19

I agree--but the impetus came from the states, it wasn't "federal decree" that was MADem Sep 2015 #21

Without the feds, only 15-18 states would have SSM jfern Sep 2015 #24

Of course the feds are relevant, but it's not like the states were handed something without MADem Sep 2015 #25

Yes, Hillary has the Best Record on Women's Issues. Cha Sep 2015 #11

I Guess If You Don't Consider Iraqi Women Actual Women billhicks76 Sep 2015 #14

same with sanders, i guess if you do not consider Kosovo or Palestinian women? seabeyond Sep 2015 #58

LOL @ Kosovo. nt Romulox Sep 2015 #87

Oh DO tell us of Clinton's stellar record of standing up for Palestine, Seabeyond. n/t Scootaloo Sep 2015 #96

MOAB's reddread Sep 2015 #61

"We came. We say. He died." Proud of turning Libya into a chaotic shithole eridani Sep 2015 #15

got a list and she's checking it twice reddread Sep 2015 #84

She would make a great Secretary of Health and Human Services provided Congress is JDPriestly Sep 2015 #16

Or Supreme Court justice. That would totally insulate her from the problem of testing the winds== eridani Sep 2015 #198

with rape used as off-the-clock punishment by Honduran police MisterP Sep 2015 #20

same holds true with anyone who takes on these responsibilities. what? obama a misogynist? seabeyond Sep 2015 #60

is that an algorithm? reddread Sep 2015 #97