2016 Postmortem

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)

112. I wouldn't call you that.

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 01:34 PM

Sep 2015

I would merely point out that voting for her because you think she has the best chance of winning, over other possible concerns might be a mistake if for no other reason than the fact that I don't think she does have the best chance in the general election.

Yes, she has a fairly sturdy war chest and lots of funding and yes, she has a fair amount of support from the superdelegates, and yes, she has nme recognition.

However, she has higher negatives than Bernie in a lot of the swing states. Bernie also seems to be getting a bit of crossover appeal. He has a considerable amount of energy and has been good at exciting the base.
|
Secretary Clinton, on the other hand seems better at exciting the republican base to come out and vote against her. That and the republicans have been planning to run against her for the last ten years at least. Personally I'd prefer not to deliver them their candidate of choice to run against.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

130 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

yes there is an enthusiasm gap. And it's obvious. [View all] cali Sep 2015 OP

Pro-war, pro-Wall Street, pro-fracking, pro-KeystoneXL, pro-H1B Visas, pro-TPP. Hard to get excited. Scuba Sep 2015 #1

Her followers follow, not because they agree with her stances, but because they want a stong rhett o rick Sep 2015 #61

They might as well be Republicans. senz Sep 2015 #69

Bullshit leftynyc Sep 2015 #79

Do you like her positions I mentioned above? If not, what positions of hers outweigh those? Scuba Sep 2015 #81

I know you call her pro-war leftynyc Sep 2015 #86

Many of the New York delegation voted against the IWR. Plus, she voted for ... Scuba Sep 2015 #87

Because I don't think Bernie can win leftynyc Sep 2015 #88

So you don't really care about her votes and words. senz Sep 2015 #102

Spare me the hysteria leftynyc Sep 2015 #103

I wouldn't call you that. kenfrequed Sep 2015 #112

Why should it matter what state the fracking is done in? passiveporcupine Sep 2015 #121

Your rationalization for her support of George Bush's trumped up war is lacking. The war was rhett o rick Sep 2015 #91

Easy leftynyc Sep 2015 #94

Yes the SCOTUS is important but won't do us any good if we all lose our jobs and become rhett o rick Sep 2015 #97

Keep your purity leftynyc Sep 2015 #101

I don't get everything I want either but willing to fight for our vets, seniors and those living in rhett o rick Sep 2015 #105

Yes, she was under pressure as a NY Senator, but that's where judgement and leadership matter... modestybl Sep 2015 #110

I would love to see those positions of hers that you like. rhett o rick Sep 2015 #89

Once again leftynyc Sep 2015 #95

And once again winning is everything. The hell with principles. Let Wall Street continue rhett o rick Sep 2015 #96

Yes leftynyc Sep 2015 #100

double that Brainstormy Sep 2015 #90

Maybe you are happy with the growing wealth gap but many are ready to take rhett o rick Sep 2015 #92

Dear Brain, I'm afraid you're using an old talking point that didn't make sense when new. hedda_foil Sep 2015 #114

Post survived 5-2... SidDithers Sep 2015 #111

If that offends you then don't back Hillary AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #125

Those things are all true. But its also true that HRC is 100% better than any Republican. apnu Sep 2015 #113

Please explain how the Iraq war and use of cluster bombs is women/minority friendly. Scuba Sep 2015 #116

It was not only her advocacy for invading Iraq. She voted for the Afghanistan War and merrily Sep 2015 #119

Please explain how the IWR vote invalidates my point. (nt) apnu Sep 2015 #122

Advocating for killing tens of thousands of Iraqi women is not "pro-woman" ... Scuba Sep 2015 #123

Just speaking for myself sadoldgirl Sep 2015 #2

Yeah, I'm shooting my wad on this one. If he doesn't win the primary, senz Sep 2015 #70

I hear you, sadoldgirl. I feel the same too. Hugs to you, my friend from another old girl roguevalley Sep 2015 #3

Thanks sadoldgirl Sep 2015 #8

If DU is representative, then God help us. Metric System Sep 2015 #4

Reddit, du, facebook, twitter... All are up for Bernie and DOWN for Hillary. Yes, she has the $ peacebird Sep 2015 #5

He has a portion of social media enthused, to be exact. And the behavior on display is nothing to be Metric System Sep 2015 #9

Have not seen that. i have seen a lot of very Pro Bernie posts espousing his positions. peacebird Sep 2015 #11

baloney. can't smear Bernie? Smear his supporters. cali Sep 2015 #12

I know what I've seen with my own eyes on DU, Twitter and Facebook. Metric System Sep 2015 #15

And I know what I have experienced here on DU nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #18

That's because you're on the Sanders side and are hopelessly oblivious to the bullying behavior. Metric System Sep 2015 #27

I was called **racist** and **mentally insane** by two HRC partisans nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #41

Speaking for myself, I have never blamed Sen. Sanders for the behavior of some of his supporters. As Metric System Sep 2015 #42

What I saw with Howard Dean was not bullying (Mostly) nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #45

I saw lots of disagreement, but little bad behavior by Sanders supporters in the Vattel Sep 2015 #83

oh FFS Kali Sep 2015 #44

If I did "back it up" though you were in that series of threads, hwich is amszing nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #47

LOL Kali Sep 2015 #48

Nah I don't think you are anything nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #49

you clearly do not know jack shit about me, so I would suggest you stop the "clever" name calling Kali Sep 2015 #55

You are right, all I know is how you behave with me nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #57

ah the old stalking accusation Kali Sep 2015 #59

Yup my opinion of you is that you are a bully nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #60

bullying behavior PADemD Sep 2015 #58

Good gawd. OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #32

Why? Pointing out that this has happened HERE on DU nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #43

"Liberal white supremacists" AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #126

TELL. IT. Number23 Sep 2015 #67

+1 uponit7771 Sep 2015 #93

Polls are all that Hillary has. Maedhros Sep 2015 #6

Wait, are you saying that Hillary is paying for the polls that get reported in the media? Because Metric System Sep 2015 #10

She isn't paying for those but the millionaires AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #127

That and... AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #13

Honestly I don't trust the polls any more than I trust the media. zeemike Sep 2015 #54

It's hard to cheer and get excited over someone sleepwalking AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #7

I hope Bernie & his people are paranoid enough snot Sep 2015 #14

True. TPTB don't give a shit about the people. senz Sep 2015 #71

Again with the Jesus-speak? onehandle Sep 2015 #16

Jesus speak? get over your precious self. there was nothing elevating bernie cali Sep 2015 #17

35 years daaaaang rpannier Sep 2015 #33

the audacity of hope...and change noiretextatique Sep 2015 #19

Unfortunately, they are the least reliable voting bloc: SonderWoman Sep 2015 #21

thanks, debbie downer noiretextatique Sep 2015 #35

Well, we keep giving them "shit" or "shit with apology" to vote for. jeff47 Sep 2015 #98

Probably because you live in VT. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #20

no. And you fail to address any of the facts I put forth cali Sep 2015 #23

I think you're just seeing what you want to see. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #36

please give a few articles about bernie supporters being jerks Pharaoh Sep 2015 #51

maybe you see what you are looking for noiretextatique Sep 2015 #37

Here in Western New York, at an art festival last weekend... mak3cats Sep 2015 #46

I have seen zero bumper stickers for Hillary in Alaska, Blue_In_AK Sep 2015 #53

I've seen absolutely no Hillary stickers/signs at all in Los Angeles. cui bono Sep 2015 #68

Zero in San Diego nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #76

I have seen the enthusiasm gap first hand. Scruffy1 Sep 2015 #22

Bernie Sanders will be our next President madokie Sep 2015 #24

I hope for the sake of his supporters here that you're incorrect. Amimnoch Sep 2015 #38

I've not read so much gibberish in my life madokie Sep 2015 #40

What are the issues Pharaoh Sep 2015 #52

I don't recall Sanders supporters AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #128

wow. Clinton supporters here sure are miffed by this cali Sep 2015 #25

What's new ? Don't talk about it too much, you'll be dubbed a Traitor, to what I haven't figured out orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #31

they are seemingly as entitled as the ONE herself noiretextatique Sep 2015 #39

Hey I for one know the African American Community nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #62

no bloc is a monolith, and although clinton is popular noiretextatique Sep 2015 #117

I hear that often nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #118

Interesting. Number23 Sep 2015 #64

yep...I despise all of it noiretextatique Sep 2015 #73

You want to get banned from the AA forum? Number23 Sep 2015 #75

i think i am not welcome in that forum as a sanders supporter noiretextatique Sep 2015 #115

Well, if you WANT to feel not welcome in the AA forum that is entirely your choice Number23 Sep 2015 #124

The truth hurts. morningfog Sep 2015 #85

It's the difference between holding your nose to vote for a candidate (again) Fuddnik Sep 2015 #26

Its hard to get excited by the promise of more of the same old leadership DJ13 Sep 2015 #28

+1000 vote for me...your life will be the same noiretextatique Sep 2015 #74

Sept 8th is his birthday--that's when my next donation goes in. panader0 Sep 2015 #29

Hope, with comprehensive reasons to do so, invigorating !!!!! orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #30

That's certainly what got President Paul elected. OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #34

"From Facebook to Reddit..." oberliner Sep 2015 #50

Yeah, because the GOP base and primary voters are not exactly the most internet savvy Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #56

Oh really? Then why are comment sections on just about any article filled with right-wing, Metric System Sep 2015 #80

By now they've figured out how to troll Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #82

Nobody has laid a glove on Sanders. Hillary doesn't want to doc03 Sep 2015 #63

she uses surrogates cali Sep 2015 #84

You're kidding, right? jeff47 Sep 2015 #99

Well I guess it is a Republican next time n/t doc03 Sep 2015 #120

She garners no enthusiasm AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #130

lol AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #129

As it should be. Jimmy Carter tanked as president, wow-ed as candidate. Same for JFK. McCamy Taylor Sep 2015 #65

Hillary's Twitter followers: 4.1m; Bernie's: ~1m ericson00 Sep 2015 #66

Hillary Clinton Has More Than a Million Fake Twitter Followers. senz Sep 2015 #72

Ah, that only proves what a skillful politician she is. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #78

"Skillful" indeed. senz Sep 2015 #104

Well, according to their definitions, my twitter is "fake" simply because I don't do enough on there kjones Sep 2015 #107

"The beatings will continue until morale improves" Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #77

Bernie is dominating social media and the like JoeyT Sep 2015 #106

She cannot win. SoapBox Sep 2015 #108

I watch only CNN & MSNBC fadedrose Sep 2015 #109