2016 Postmortem

Skwmom

(12,685 posts) Sat Sep 5, 2015, 08:38 AM Sep 2015

So, in 4 years Clinton did not stop and think ... [View all]

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In 4 years, Clinton did not stop and think that using an UNSECURED server was a bad idea. In 4 years, when composing emails that contained classified information, she never stopped and thought - Hey, maybe I shouldn't be sending this secret information over an UNSECURED system that should NOT be used to send or receive CLASSIFIED information.

Really?

"I was not thinking a lot when I got in [to the State Department]. There was so much work to be done. We had so many problems around the world. I didn't really stop and think what kind of email system will there be."

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/hillary-clinton-sorry-email-controversy-n421851

Without a doubt, this will be a general election ad.

Update: I only saw a portion of her interview. But as soon as these statements were spoken I immediately thought - in 4 years you did not stop and think. It was a very OBVIOUS follow-up question that was unasked.....

To clarify: If I am SOS and I read classified information OR obtain classified information during a conversation that takes place over a SECURED phone , I can not later sit down and include that CLASSIFIED information in an email that is sent through an unsecured system that is NOT part of the GOVERNMENT'S secured system for sending and receiving CLASSIFIED information. It's that simple.

Notice the use of the word Government. A department can't just decide to go rogue and set up it's own server and claim that it is secured. Since the server was wiped I'm not sure if they will ever be able to determine if it was hacked.

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So, in 4 years Clinton did not stop and think ... [View all] Skwmom Sep 2015 OP

Only if she's nominated. Smarmie Doofus Sep 2015 #1

If she is nominated OR on the ticket as VP it will be used. Skwmom Sep 2015 #3

OMG VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #28

the Pubs' ads will just be videos of her talking, and her ads will be straight outta 30 Rock MisterP Sep 2015 #38

Unsecured? leftofcool Sep 2015 #2

You don't know who did or didn't hack that server tularetom Sep 2015 #4

State dept experts said there was no breach. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #5

Of course they said that, WTF would you expect them to say? tularetom Sep 2015 #13

All servers can be hacked, but no evidence hers were. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #14

Yes, she needed a private server to protect herself from government employees DesMoinesDem Sep 2015 #27

It wasn't even a new server! It was an old deal used by Bill, less secure than ever. HappyPlace Sep 2015 #31

The domain didn't exist until January 19th, 2009. It was not an "old deal". (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #59

They left the default VPN keys installed on her server. jeff47 Sep 2015 #56

self-signed SSL Certificates are just as secure BlueStateLib Sep 2015 #80

It was needle in a haystack.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #29

With a giant, blinking sign saying jeff47 Sep 2015 #57

and yet it didn't! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #64

Not the entire world, just everyone she would email directly. Which includes jeff47 Sep 2015 #65

And....still not hacked! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #66

Who would announce it was hacked? jeff47 Sep 2015 #67

You think they wouldn't??? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #69

Yes, they would not brag about that. jeff47 Sep 2015 #71

Yes only Clinton "friendlies" would hack her! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #74

China and Russia are "friendlies"? jeff47 Sep 2015 #75

If you have evidence that it was ... provide it. JoePhilly Sep 2015 #40

Um, I never said it was hacked tularetom Sep 2015 #45

Why did the State Department tell us about this .... JoePhilly Sep 2015 #46

sure they do, just look at the server logs BlueStateLib Sep 2015 #78

Chelsea Manning did not hack the servers, she released information that he had access to. LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #6

You should fix your pronouns. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #48

Thank you. I normally think her, but I guess when I think back when it happened LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #50

I have a similar problem, and had to get in the habit of double-checking when talking about her. nt jeff47 Sep 2015 #52

The state department email system was UNCLASSIFIED & NOT part of the SECURED system used Skwmom Sep 2015 #8

You do realize that she sent classified info using SECURE measures, not her server. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #15

Yes, but it doesn't change the fact about the emails. Skwmom Sep 2015 #16

No wrong.....there are multiple types of clearances.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #30

Some of the emails contained TOP SECRET info. Skwmom Sep 2015 #37

And that is exactly what she DIDN'T DO. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #34

A large number of emails she sent would have been classified simply because she was SoS. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2015 #42

That's false. JoePhilly Sep 2015 #47

Manning didn't hack anything. DesMoinesDem Sep 2015 #9

Precisely: her emails appear to have been the most secure frazzled Sep 2015 #22

Classified information should ONLY be sent over a CLASSIFIED, SECURED system. n/t Skwmom Sep 2015 #26

Edward Snowden Slams Hillary Clinton For Private Email Server Skwmom Sep 2015 #39

The criminal said what? JoePhilly Sep 2015 #41

He's not been tried and convicted, so he's not a "criminal." Fawke Em Sep 2015 #89

I thought it would take more of an effort to set up your own server Motown_Johnny Sep 2015 #7

AND therein lies the most interesting problem or question.... HappyPlace Sep 2015 #10

I answered in a post above. It was already in use by the Clinton family. OKNancy Sep 2015 #20

The domain did not exist until January 19th, 2009. jeff47 Sep 2015 #58

LOL - it takes seconds to get a domain name OKNancy Sep 2015 #62

Odd that Bill didn't get one while he was using the server then. jeff47 Sep 2015 #63

Piece of cake to do an email server, you can set one up on a Mac with the server app. LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #12

The server was set up long before she was Sec of State. It was used by Bill etc. OKNancy Sep 2015 #19

Nope. jeff47 Sep 2015 #51

Not her server! She set it up on SOMEONE ELSE'S SERVER! Like that's real smart! HappyPlace Sep 2015 #25

It was secure... it was set up for the former President OKNancy Sep 2015 #33

It was not secure. The default VPN keys were still installed on the server. jeff47 Sep 2015 #49

One other thing I thought about also was the clintonemail.com is a residential .com LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #53

WHat makes this so unbelievable is that there would have been snagglepuss Sep 2015 #11

She didn't have to do that. It was already in use by Bill Clinton OKNancy Sep 2015 #21

WTF Someone else's server??? That just makes it less secure. Bill had no government role! HappyPlace Sep 2015 #23

NO, not someone else's. It was used by the whole family OKNancy Sep 2015 #32

Does "whole family" and "a reputable company" have security clearances and need-to-know about TwilightGardener Sep 2015 #36

Oh, it was the "family server"! As if that's a good idea. HappyPlace Sep 2015 #43

They will come up with anything won't they. leftofcool Sep 2015 #55

Nah, we just know how to use WHOIS. jeff47 Sep 2015 #61

The domain did not exist until Jaunary 19th, 2009. jeff47 Sep 2015 #60

What was registered as the domain? HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #68

clintonemail.com. The stuff after the @ in her email address. jeff47 Sep 2015 #70

Ok evidence indicates clintonemail was set up for HRC to use at DOS HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #72

Well, after clintonemail.com was set up... jeff47 Sep 2015 #73

"I was not thinking a lot when I got in....." Avalux Sep 2015 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author Avalux Sep 2015 #17

I'm beginning to doubt Hillary's ability to win the general election if she gets the Dem. nomination jalan48 Sep 2015 #24

I'm wondering why all of her cronies/lackeys had side gigs (with her, or the Foundation, or TwilightGardener Sep 2015 #35

And, some of those Foundation jobs really really paid well! nt HappyPlace Sep 2015 #44

Here is what Teneo is... antigop Sep 2015 #81

"Leverages deep global relationships". OK, that explains things. Thanks. TwilightGardener Sep 2015 #86

"works with corporate CEOs"... antigop Sep 2015 #88

Stop and think is not in her DNA tularetom Sep 2015 #54

Can you imagine when they play the sniper fire ad back to back with this and Skwmom Sep 2015 #85

Entitlement orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #76

I'm beginning to wonder if they want to keep this going to deflect from the more serious scandals - Skwmom Sep 2015 #77

It's always something. orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #79

The real problem is lack of clarity in government policy eridani Sep 2015 #82

Exactly. Capn Sunshine Sep 2015 #83

Really? Because there is plenty of people that deal with classified information that understand it Skwmom Sep 2015 #84

It was likely a calculated decision jfern Sep 2015 #87