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78. By using facts. You should try it next time.

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In 2008 Hillary's campaign used dog whistle politics. They're doing the same thing [View all] cali Sep 2015 OP

Whatever it takes, it's the Clinton way tularetom Sep 2015 #1

Hillary is so yesterday. Bernie is a breath of fresh air. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2015 #82

No Clinton has ever had any core principal other than self-advancement hifiguy Sep 2015 #182

Bookmarking Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #2

I am as well... revmclaren Sep 2015 #112

And just where do I say I won't vote for her? I've said ad nauseam cali Sep 2015 #147

I think they are equating with never supporting her as the same as not voting for her if she is the still_one Sep 2015 #152

Gotta fill in the enemies list, eh? (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #171

I remember 2008 when she said she connected better with white working class voters... Cali_Democrat Sep 2015 #3

Still wondering if you see the irony in your sig image, Cali_Democrat Scootaloo Sep 2015 #129

And only you can hear it. Metric System Sep 2015 #4

No. truebluegreen Sep 2015 #85

No. merrily Sep 2015 #139

Speaking of dog whistles wyldwolf Sep 2015 #5

Was Obama blowing the same racist dog whistle after Sandy Hook when he said the same thing?: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #6

Look at stats for gun deaths in Vermont. Bonobo Sep 2015 #8

"Everything you said is bulshit." wyldwolf Sep 2015 #10

Murder deaths statisitics (maybe you thought I wouldn't look it up?) Bonobo Sep 2015 #13

Why should I care whether you look it up? wyldwolf Sep 2015 #14

Yes, hunting deaths are JUST like violent murders. Bonobo Sep 2015 #17

Gun deaths = suicide, accidental deaths, etc. wyldwolf Sep 2015 #19

Wyldwolf, look at the statement by Bernie that YOU quoted, ok? Bonobo Sep 2015 #21

Exactly. He was pointing out the difference between rural and urban gun use. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #23

Wanna really corner them? Ask them what issues that teach me everything Sep 2015 #46

that, in itself, would be a deflection of the subject being discussed wyldwolf Sep 2015 #52

You mean the subject of the OP that you literally have run from? nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #56

No, bringing up something irrelevant to cause some imagined squirming. wyldwolf Sep 2015 #58

Like her pro-death penalty stance? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #59

Like I said, irrelevant and trying to cause 'squirming.' wyldwolf Sep 2015 #65

The death penalty is irrelevant when it comes to racism? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #67

It's irrelevant when it comes to this thread. wyldwolf Sep 2015 #70

LOL! It's only irrelevant to you because you're trying to dig yourself out of that hole. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #72

It's about as relevant as bringing what I had for dinner into the discussion wyldwolf Sep 2015 #74

Hillary supports the death penalty which is inherently racist, explain why you're okay with that. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #77

I had a frozen chicken meal for dinner. I heated it up, of course. wyldwolf Sep 2015 #81

Good to know racism is only relevant when you say it is. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #87

Apparently, it's only relevant when YOU say it is wyldwolf Sep 2015 #90

bwahaha. every word you've written in this thread is an attempt to deflect cali Sep 2015 #149

I've done that and got 840high Sep 2015 #84

Of course not. Racism isn't really important to some, it's just another political football. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #93

Perhaps you should look closer (and I'll bold different parts like you did. wyldwolf Sep 2015 #24

"Some men", etc. Bonobo Sep 2015 #26

you're defending his use of NRA talking points and redefining 'gun deaths.' wyldwolf Sep 2015 #28

I am defending his statement that gun violence is not the same as accidental gun deaths. Bonobo Sep 2015 #30

Bernie never mentioned 'accidental gun deaths.' wyldwolf Sep 2015 #31

Dude, his statement is absolutely correct. Bonobo Sep 2015 #32

Dude, it is not and t's a dog whistle wyldwolf Sep 2015 #33

No, dude, you have become unable to tell artifice from reality. THAT is why you hear "whistles". Bonobo Sep 2015 #35

No, dude, you're denying statistics and redefining terms to suit yourself. wyldwolf Sep 2015 #36

Just dealing with the quote YOU put out there. Oh, and THIS is a dog-whistle FYI. Bonobo Sep 2015 #38

which said nothing about 'accidental deaths' as you're contending wyldwolf Sep 2015 #41

Yes, it said gun issues in Vermont are different than gun issues in Chicago. And they are. Bonobo Sep 2015 #44

Of course. VT has higher gun deaths per 100,000. That's different. wyldwolf Sep 2015 #49

I think this sub-thread has run its course. This OP is about Hillary's RACIST dog-whistling. Bonobo Sep 2015 #50

And this subthread reminds some of Bernie's RACIST dog-whistling. wyldwolf Sep 2015 #54

You have yet to point out the racism in comparing rural and urban gun use. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #60

no, you're just denying it. wyldwolf Sep 2015 #61

Denying what? Obama said the same thing, is he a racist too? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #62

Sander's racist dog whistles. wyldwolf Sep 2015 #63

Where? Point them out. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #64

I already did. Instead of asking me to give your a summary of the thread, read it yourself. wyldwolf Sep 2015 #66

No, you didn't. You made a bullshit accusation and failed to back it up. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #68

Yes I did and I backed it up. wyldwolf Sep 2015 #69

Obama said the same thing so I guess he's a racist too using your "logic". beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #71

I'm not discussing Obama. wyldwolf Sep 2015 #73

That's why you failed to prove your racism claim, you ignored facts and context. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #75

How can one 'prove' a racism claim? wyldwolf Sep 2015 #76

By using facts. You should try it next time. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #78

Facts like the ones in the OP? wyldwolf Sep 2015 #79

You mean Hillary's God, Guns and Good Ole Boys 2008 tour?: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #83

you can prove that's racist? wyldwolf Sep 2015 #86

Racist like: "Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans" beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #91

Wikipedia sets the gold standard for what qualifies as racism? wyldwolf Sep 2015 #94

Keep denying their tactics in 2008. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #100

keep using Wikipedia as a source. wyldwolf Sep 2015 #101

I have her own words as proof: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #103

As proof of what? wyldwolf Sep 2015 #105

actually Obama didn't say the same thing dsc Sep 2015 #107

They both compared rural and urban gun use. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #110

Yes but Obama compared all rural areas dsc Sep 2015 #155

No shit. Bernie compared them to Vermont because that's where he's from. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #165

and of course that benefit doesn't go to anyone other than him dsc Sep 2015 #167

That has nothing to do with the claim that he used a racist dog whistle. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #168

"But they pretty much don't live in Vermont." Black folks don't live in Vermont? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #117

they make up a grand total of 1.2% of the population dsc Sep 2015 #157

So they do live in Vermont, thanks for clarifying. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #166

Says who? wyldwolf Sep 2015 #92

Every decent person on DU in 2008 when the Clintons blew the racist dog whistle. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #98

Really? Quote them. wyldwolf Sep 2015 #99

Google is your friend. Keep digging. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #102

The burden of proof is yours. Keep digging wyldwolf Sep 2015 #104

Enjoy: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #106

that has nothing to do with you contention of ... wyldwolf Sep 2015 #108

I'm almost sure genuinely not being able to distinction between fact and fiction is not merrily Sep 2015 #141

You make excellent points Cali_Democrat Sep 2015 #22

Some of these aren't gun nuts, though. Any other time, they'd agree... wyldwolf Sep 2015 #25

It must be hard work to attack true statements. Bonobo Sep 2015 #34

NRA talking points are hardly true statements wyldwolf Sep 2015 #37

LOL. Unless they happen to be both, I suppose. Bonobo Sep 2015 #39

unless one needs them t be true to defend Bernie Sanders wyldwolf Sep 2015 #40

Not worthy of a response. Bonobo Sep 2015 #45

Because you have no response that is worthy. wyldwolf Sep 2015 #47

You are angry that I quoted statistics that show your "outrage" to be misplaced. Bonobo Sep 2015 #53

you are angry I sourced statistics that proved my original point. wyldwolf Sep 2015 #55

I am a "gunner" in your fantasy world. Bonobo Sep 2015 #29

If you really think Sanders was trying to suggest that only white people can be trusted with guns, Vattel Sep 2015 #42

So guns are used for hunting in Chicago and LA? MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #43

Or maybe most of Vermont is rural with a hunting culture -- which is not true of Chicago karynnj Sep 2015 #109

"Translation: Only white folks can be trusted with guns." pocoloco Sep 2015 #111

What do you do with a gun in the city other than shoot at a range or shoot people. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #113

Guns in densely populated cities vs. guns in a rural state, but all you saw was skin color? merrily Sep 2015 #140

people in rural areas like Vermont Karma13612 Sep 2015 #177

This is an attempt to create outrage based on flawed thoughts. SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #7

Out of curiosity, which one? Textbook fallacy, that is. truebluegreen Sep 2015 #95

It's such a clear and basic flow. SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #145

Actually, I've got the textbooks-- truebluegreen Sep 2015 #150

It won't work if this message gets out. The truth is a powerful thing to have on our side Cheese Sandwich Sep 2015 #9

I guess I would need to see evidence that Clinton is involved in this sleazy tactic. Vattel Sep 2015 #11

Typical Clinton -- totally amoral nichomachus Sep 2015 #12

Whatever it is it is backfiring now Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #15

I have seen a couple posts at DU that said "no more white men in the WH" Doctor_J Sep 2015 #16

We're so racist we helped to get Obama elected. When people should be coming together to support Skwmom Sep 2015 #18

...^ that 840high Sep 2015 #88

Bernie is probably the only candidate who could fill Yankee Stadium. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #159

In 2008, Hillary Clinton said this about a pattern emerging...... neverforget Sep 2015 #20

ty 840high Sep 2015 #89

Just another reason i will write in Bernie if she wins the nom peacebird Sep 2015 #27

So will I. 840high Sep 2015 #48

I will do the same. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #57

Add me to the list. SoapBox Sep 2015 #96

Screen shot... revmclaren Sep 2015 #115

Voting for her would be as if voting for a Republican on economic and foreign policy. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #118

Hello no way... revmclaren Sep 2015 #119

Uh huh. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #121

This message was self-deleted by its author revmclaren Sep 2015 #116

PUMA alert! Bookmarking for future reference. Metric System Sep 2015 #143

I am a democrat. Not a DNC/DLC/3rd wayer. If Hillary wins the nom then the party has left me peacebird Sep 2015 #146

So you were OK with Gore, Kerry and Obama, but you'd draw the line at Hillary? Interesting. Metric System Sep 2015 #160

Loved Gore. Kerry was not my choice but I think he has integrity. I like Obama. peacebird Sep 2015 #169

Interesting, considering Hillary's policies are in line with all of them. Metric System Sep 2015 #172

But her integrity is not. I do not trust her. peacebird Sep 2015 #175

Fuck the Supreme Court, right? Obviously you don't have much to worry about. Metric System Sep 2015 #144

My my my... Such language! peacebird Sep 2015 #170

Will they attack Bernie on his religion? left-of-center2012 Sep 2015 #51

Already seen a DU'er accuse him of being "more loyal to Tel Aviv" Scootaloo Sep 2015 #128

Plus Diane Rehm insisting - over his corrections left-of-center2012 Sep 2015 #158

One HC supporter already did, anti-Semitism, racism and a racial slur all in one op: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #130

URL for gun deaths ProgressiveEconomist Sep 2015 #80

To quote post #13 above: truebluegreen Sep 2015 #97

URL? Source of data? ProgressiveEconomist Sep 2015 #122

When I read this I think about how the Clinton campaign INdemo Sep 2015 #114

Notice only a handfull of Sanders surrogates controlled this thread... Historic NY Sep 2015 #120

Question: What do Luis Gutierrez, Claire McCaskill, Anthony Weiner, Lanny Davis, Sid Blumenthal, AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #123

N.W. revmclaren Sep 2015 #125

you keep promising you're putting me on ignore AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #126

To all out there... revmclaren Sep 2015 #133

Well, hell, imagine my disappointment. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #134

I'm sure you're crushed, I know I would be. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #136

The depths of my despair are immeasurable. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #138

Yup revmclaren Sep 2015 #124

Same batch that didn't like my last post... Historic NY Sep 2015 #127

Please look up what the term "dog whistle" means. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #135

Well off to bed... revmclaren Sep 2015 #131

sanders movement looking for any reason to justify their attacks on clinton BlueStateLib Sep 2015 #132

KO on Hillary: "You're running against Obama as if you are the Republican and he the Democrat." AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #137

^^^ This ^^^ cantbeserious Sep 2015 #153

KO was fired from MSNBC and Gore's Current TV for the same behavior Sanders supporters exhibit here wyldwolf Sep 2015 #156

And look at how great Current TV did under Gore and Joel Hyatt, who is a homophobic jerk.... Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #161

which doesn't alter the fact KO has been fired multiple times for being a jerk wyldwolf Sep 2015 #162

He was correct calling Clinton on her racist campaign. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #164

Yes. Only four things (so far) prevent me from supporting Hillary and that is one. merrily Sep 2015 #142

It's threads like this that give Sanders supporters a bad name oberliner Sep 2015 #148

baloney. it is fact that the Clinton campaign used dog whistle tactica cali Sep 2015 #163

Sanders makes a point of not attacking Hillary in this way oberliner Sep 2015 #178

I apologize that history does not conform to your worldview. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #173

Among whom? Clinton supporters? Pfft. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #174

How about Bernie himself? oberliner Sep 2015 #179

Cut the crap. Clinton supporters have visciously attacked Bernie here. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #180

They shouldn't do that either oberliner Sep 2015 #181

On that point I completely agree. <nt> AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #183

By some one who has attacked Obama for 6 years. JoePhilly Sep 2015 #176

IMHO - The HRC Campaign Is So Desperate To Fulfill The First Woman President Meme cantbeserious Sep 2015 #151

Clintonian = Machiavellian orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #154