2016 Postmortem

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218. George Orwell predicted the posts on this thread long ago

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:56 AM

Sep 2015

The ending of "Animal Farm"---

"Twelve voices were shouting in anger, and they were all alike. No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."

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A hands-off Democratic race: Clinton, Sanders won�t speak ill of each other [View all] Skinner Sep 2015 OP

Yup. Agschmid Sep 2015 #1

Really to me it seems like a steady stream of attacks from the Clinton campaign Cheese Sandwich Sep 2015 #35

Disagree. Agschmid Sep 2015 #36

I disagree with your comment Cheese Sandwich Sep 2015 #38

I agree with your disagreement LastLiberal in PalmSprings Sep 2015 #185

Agree n/t MissDeeds Sep 2015 #43

It's her surrogates left-of-center2012 Sep 2015 #60

Bingo-McCaskill, Gutierrez, Castro, Cuomo, et al. Very similar to 2008. merrily Sep 2015 #63

Surrogates? We used to call those hatchet men Cheese Sandwich Sep 2015 #68

All the comments on the thread about surrogates treestar Sep 2015 #225

If you consider these comments to be attacks, then you will not survive the general election Gothmog Sep 2015 #98

Good thing I'm not running then Cheese Sandwich Sep 2015 #101

You are so upset about comments from McCaskill and others that do not qualify as attacks Gothmog Sep 2015 #103

They don't upset me (she said, butting in) SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #113

Socialism polls very badly Gothmog Sep 2015 #200

Well, it does *now*. SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #215

Read the materials, these polls show that this term has been polling badly for a very long time Gothmog Sep 2015 #220

Well, just to name a recent event, SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #222

Specific examples, please. maddiemom Sep 2015 #204

Agree! Katashi_itto Sep 2015 #221

unfortunately Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #2

That's exactly right MissDeeds Sep 2015 #29

are you talking about Skinner? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #30

Nah, he's been like the invisible man. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #119

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #121

you're kidding, right? Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #124

That would be news to me Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #130

Seriously. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #132

My mistake Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #133

if there is some confusion Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #143

And the other has attact dogs on UD (n/t) CajunBlazer Sep 2015 #58

...dude... have we met? Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #127

Don't hold this against Skinner. Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #142

Never hold anything against him Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #145

Excellent! I really get tired of it when any candidates, R, D or I revert to the seventh grade RKP5637 Sep 2015 #3

There's *one* campaign that's not slingning mud. HerbChestnut Sep 2015 #4

The candidates are not directly attacking each other, as the OP - not read or comprehended - demonstrates, they are each attacking the real enemies. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #5

I really have a hard time understanding why you refuse to accept that reality. virtualobserver Sep 2015 #8

You got to be kidding Gothmog Sep 2015 #99

I don't mind their attacks....just don't pretend that they aren't Hillary surrogates virtualobserver Sep 2015 #107

The GOP attempted to paint President Obama with the socialist tag because that terms polls so badly Gothmog Sep 2015 #149

Little Change in Public�s Response to �Capitalism,� �Socialism� Gothmog Sep 2015 #151

We know he will be attacked, we expect that, so does he. We do not expect him to be attacked by sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #109

Do you really think that he was attacked? Gothmog Sep 2015 #120

Yes. SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #128

How will you handle a general election with $400 million of attack ads on Sanders? Gothmog Sep 2015 #148

As it comes. SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #152

Yes, very definately. nm rhett o rick Sep 2015 #164

This really is a nonsense argument Scootaloo Sep 2015 #182

Oh I read it HerbChestnut Sep 2015 #9

Some prefer Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #20

Why should SHE advocate what will help YOUR choice not her? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #31

Well he is more of a democrat Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #34

No actually he isn't....he doesn't even call himself one... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #39

I will take his positions over Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #42

I don't care WHAT you take his positions are.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #45

Wow, chill Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #52

Who says I am not calm? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #78

Sorry, but to me you seemed a little worked up Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #82

Sorry....but you seem not to recognize passion when you see it... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #85

Oh I recognize passion Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #88

apparently not..... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #89

And I even apologized Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #90

sure with a back hand....but I get it...I really do! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #91

I'm sure you recognize what happened immediately above ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #208

Shouldn't she advocate for the voters? CanadaexPat Sep 2015 #46

SHE is....by WINNING! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #79

Hilarious. But I do favor her above any R, of course. SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #165

in 2008 she said limiting debates was, 'Unamerican' AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #76

She evolved Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #83

Why should she be campaigning to get what doesn't help her win? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #123

As I posted below, apparently at something like the same time, SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #126

Her words: Unamerican AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #179

Why would more debates not help her win? nt. druidity33 Sep 2015 #228

There's pragmatism, SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #125

And shes hoping we don't notice. Amish Farmer Sep 2015 #171

Most are hoping we don't notice. SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #177

Are people really this naive in The Real World? frylock Sep 2015 #51

I don't even know what post this is in response to, SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #166

Sanders has his supporters to do the dirty work. Metric System Sep 2015 #6

Eeek DemByDefault Sep 2015 #7

Yeah, pretty much Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #19

Quite the manufactured meme, er, reputation among Clinton supporters. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #48

Right, you go with that... Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #53

It's deja vu, circa 2007/08 behavior by her campaign. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #55

Yeah Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #56

Alrighty then. Denial it is from you. Good luck with that. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #57

IOW Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #61

Manufactured meme: "Bernie doesn't care about black/brown people." AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #64

Supporter's behavior Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #69

The race-baiting memes are coming from the collective YOU, Clinton supporters. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #72

Whoooooosh Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #73

Race card? AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #81

As in Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #137

right, as in "white supremacist liberals"-- on that we agree. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #139

Huh? Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #146

They won't read them, BJ. People have tried to get these people to see how damaging Number23 Sep 2015 #110

You once railed against race-baiting by Clinton. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #116

Transparency is a good thing. Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #138

you're right, of course AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #141

If the archives are so "full" of my posts "decrying" whatever that person is howling about Number23 Sep 2015 #178

I don't know what you're referring to. Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #188

I have still decried alot of the racist shit that Clinton said in 2008. What the hell is your point? Number23 Sep 2015 #169

Noooooo Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #134

Thom Hartmann has since expressed some issues with BLM & their relationship with Hillary. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #136

Yeah I wouldn't read them either. Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #153

It has been mentioned many times and was above by another poster. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #154

Of course you would think so Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #157

Sure, when you own acting like the self-appointed sphincter police. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #158

Where are you off to now? Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #160

My name wasn't in a single one of those threads you posted. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #162

You just edited your post. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #159

Exactly. While pretending, as usual, that the folks calling them out endlessly and often are only Number23 Sep 2015 #170

I know exactly what you are talking about. SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #144

You are one of a number of Sanders supporters who bring alot to the AA forum. I have seen you often Number23 Sep 2015 #173

It's enough of them to sink him, SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #174

You're absolutely right. But they are too busy running around this thread and others trying to Number23 Sep 2015 #175

Exactly. nt SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #176

Nice distortion. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #181

Their pretzel logic is just too twisted to straighten out in just a few posts. Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #189

For someone who mentioned you "don't know what anyone is referring to" here you are sure Number23 Sep 2015 #191

So, I'm not allowed to post at the DU now? Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #192

So is your continued participation in a subthread where you've mentioned you don't know what's Number23 Sep 2015 #194

We don't have subthreads at the new DU. Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #195

We do still have subthreads. Number23 Sep 2015 #196

cheers AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #193

Cheers to you, as well. Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #197

I am not a Clinton supporter. I know that you guys drench your keyboards in sweat pretending that Number23 Sep 2015 #190

It seems to me Sanders is doing just fine, and so are his supporters. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #226

"Bad people don't congregate around a good candidate" Number23 Sep 2015 #229

I wanted to say what I said. And I did. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #230

I agree with your statement and you're still trying to fight. Which does absolutely nothing but Number23 Sep 2015 #232

Ok. Good. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #233

Knew you'd see it that way Number23 Sep 2015 #234

The key difference... HerbChestnut Sep 2015 #10

Any actual Evidence of these robotic minions being seeded throughout the land by Controller Clinton? Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #11

It's all circumstantial HerbChestnut Sep 2015 #12

..............................(No comment)............................. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #15

You don't have to believe it if you don't want to HerbChestnut Sep 2015 #16

So Bernie better toughen up then, if he plans on attending the GE VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #32

Actually it would be easy for Bernie fbc Sep 2015 #47

Republican light democrats have degraded and fractured the democratic party. IMO they RKP5637 Sep 2015 #62

This may be the funniest thing I've read on DU in a while. zappaman Sep 2015 #70

I have a feeling more than a few not only believe it, but know very well it's been happening, but merrily Sep 2015 #67

here's evidence n2doc Sep 2015 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author Lazy Daisy Sep 2015 #223

ridiculous. let me explain it simply for you. cali Sep 2015 #13

I think you know that's not what I said or meant. Your assertion that criticism of Clinton by Metric System Sep 2015 #23

This is all a great job of dissembling. Of course if you -are- dissembling you would want HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #50

Hillary uses surrogates and sheshe2 Sep 2015 #161

that's about right grasswire Sep 2015 #224

What a joke. Please don't confuse your view of DU with a bona fide campaign surrogate. merrily Sep 2015 #65

He has no surrogates doing dirty work AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #77

That's rich. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #186

Good! Thank gods someone is taking the high ground in this wacky culture of ours... Left coast liberal Sep 2015 #14

At least directly Android3.14 Sep 2015 #17

Although that says nothing of the speech of surrogates HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #18

Sadly Joaquin Castro is not being very civil - TBF Sep 2015 #21

here is another good one Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #27

They get their talking points from her campaign AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #92

I agree with you Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #95

Thanks for the link to the article. SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #114

It is very disappointing - TBF Sep 2015 #201

"At least for now, we Dems are lucky to have such a civil primary race." blue neen Sep 2015 #22

It's not civility, it's strategy. rocktivity Sep 2015 #24

Sanders wants to talk about the great issues facing our nation. mhatrw Sep 2015 #40

It's rather remarkable, isn't it? MineralMan Sep 2015 #25

One campaign flinging poop through surrogates AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #93

I wonder which one is setting the tone. Motown_Johnny Sep 2015 #26

+1 fbc Sep 2015 #49

Won't last. If Hillary thinks Bernie can take it away from her she will wage a brutal war. EEO Sep 2015 #28

Right now she is not focussing on Sanders.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #33

Oh, is that right? Your center-right candidate will not get her prize easily, if at all. EEO Sep 2015 #37

Won't last? It never started. Her campaign surrogates have been attacking Sanders all along. merrily Sep 2015 #66

The closer he gets, the more desperate she and her surrogates will become AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #94

Well, I hope she doesn't SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #115

I have also pledged what little I can in monthly donations to Bernie. EEO Sep 2015 #129

Completely agree. SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #131

"We could learn something from our candidates." Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #41

Yup. Agschmid Sep 2015 #75

Great post - great thread! GitRDun Sep 2015 #54

You wouldn't know it here ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2015 #59

Clinton's and Bernie's Supporters fadedrose Sep 2015 #71

Yup. Agschmid Sep 2015 #74

I must say " us supporters " malign them and each other in every way, They don't. orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #80

Great read. nt Cali_Democrat Sep 2015 #84

Hillary's proxy attacks on Sanders are a sign of weakness AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #86

Yep. Good. nt SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #163

Hillary is so scared of Sanders, she's shitting her pants! zappaman Sep 2015 #87

I hope they'll, at least, speak out on their differences in policy and history. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #96

There's quite a contrast Control-Z Sep 2015 #105

It is nice to have two adults running for office Gothmog Sep 2015 #97

This is the simple truth. SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #155

I also agree. dpatbrown Sep 2015 #205

WoW DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #100

i think vadermike Sep 2015 #102

Well, THEY are friends--and Hillary donated to Sanders' Senate campaign. MADem Sep 2015 #104

I know what you mean, I wish some of the supporters could be civil too. Autumn Sep 2015 #111

That's not going to happen.. they're in deep denial. Cha Sep 2015 #135

Come on, Skinner. Her refusal to acknowledge his existence at all is probably not an accident. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #106

I think this is the correct interpretation. nt SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #117

Bill Clinton rarely spoke an unkind word in his campaigns. aquart Sep 2015 #213

Hillary has been paying for travel for surrogates to attack Sanders jfern Sep 2015 #108

Skinner, now is the time to enforce civility ericson00 Sep 2015 #112

pfffft. tell us how you really feel. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #118

Yep. SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #167

"Our party heroes?". LOL. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #122

The Last Time Our Party Had Heroes... Was When They Created The Party, Served 4 Terms... WillyT Sep 2015 #140

+ 1000 red dog 1 Sep 2015 #231

Did you forget the emoticon? nt SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #168

I'll be your hero TSIAS Sep 2015 #199

Hey Skinner.... BooScout Sep 2015 #147

We're not lucky Reter Sep 2015 #150

Huh? SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #156

Neither do I. Having people with different views discussing and being civil Laser102 Sep 2015 #211

Let me get this straight. betsuni Sep 2015 #172

Don't think she's paying anybody. SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #180

Of course there are insiders and outsiders and clubs. How is that not politics as usual? betsuni Sep 2015 #183

Yes, of course. SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #184

Who said "paying"? TBF Sep 2015 #202

The Politico article, comment 44. nt betsuni Sep 2015 #206

Link? The OP's article was Wash Post. nt TBF Sep 2015 #216

I said comment #44 betsuni Sep 2015 #219

Her campaign is paying the travel expenses of surrogates that have spoken out against Sanders.. frylock Sep 2015 #235

Nice try, but it's apples and oranges. SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #187

Hands off personalities still means that policies are fair game n/t eridani Sep 2015 #198

Thank you -we needed this reminder of civilty riversedge Sep 2015 #203

No need when you have people doing stuff like this: George II Sep 2015 #207

Or this: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #209

And this: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #210

And one more: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #212

Thanks for the link. SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #217

heh. . .Luv ya Skinner . .It's gonna be a lo-o-o-ong year. . . . n/t annabanana Sep 2015 #214

George Orwell predicted the posts on this thread long ago DFW Sep 2015 #218

Hiding behind surrogates for "plausible deniability" is still... 99Forever Sep 2015 #227