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Attorney in Texas

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12. TRUMP: Noun. A candidate who cannot win the primary but weakens the party's nominee for the general
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 11:04 AM
Sep 2015

Last edited Tue Sep 8, 2015, 11:37 AM - Edit history (4)

election.

Vice President Biden:

Please don't be a Trump.

Sanders is an underdog because his views are more progressive than the ideological mid-point of the party.

For such an underdog to win the nomination, Sanders needs the consolidated support of the progressive wing of the party (and he's crushing this task) plus the consolidated support from other Democrats who may be choosing a candidate for reasons beyond ideology (such as those who dislike the idea of a "dynasty," those who don't like or trust Clinton personally or don't like her style, those who don't like a candidate who has peremptorily locked in so many establishment party endorsements so early in the nomination process before the grassroots have had time to consider the candidates, etc.).

You are unlikely to make inroads on Sanders' grassroots support from the progressive wing of the party who have chosen Sanders based on ideology (like me) because you have spent your whole very distinguished career at the ideological center of the party. You would, however, severely cut into Sanders' ability to gain the backing from segments of the party who will choose a candidate to support on grounds other than ideology (those voters who would prefer an alternative to Clinton but for reasons other than her ideology).

By cutting into Sanders ability to build support beyond the progressive wing of the party, your candidacy would reduce Sanders from an underdog on the rise to the head of movement that is much less likely to produce a nominee.

With that said, you take more votes from Clinton, but her pathway to the nomination has an almost unprecedented on-the-ground infrastructure, party establishment support, and fundraising network, and -- therefore -- is built with more room to survive the type of challenge you pose.

Although you cannot beat Clinton, your entry into the race would spur endless rounds of "Clinton campaign in crisis" MSM hand-wringing stories every time a fundraiser shifts to you or a politician withdraws from the Clinton campaign to support you (you're a well loved sitting VP so there will inevitably be a few defections but not nearly enough for you to win -- just enough to make Clinton look weaker).

Ultimately, you do not win because Sanders has unshakable support among progressives and Clinton has an insurmountable head start in terms of locking down centrist/party establishment support and fund-raising sources. In the process of losing the primary (for the third time), you kill off Sanders' underdog insurgency and weaken Clinton's candidacy in the general election (and this also changes Clinton's VP selection criteria and erodes Clinton's need to choose a progressive VP to unify the party if she barely beats Sanders in a Clinton-Sanders showdown).

You could turn into the Democratic version of Trump: a candidate who cannot win the nomination but whose candidacy weakens the party's nominee in the general election.

Please don't do that.

That's an interesting idea. If he decides not to run it would be nice if he gave unbiased, equally Metric System Sep 2015 #1
I don't think VP Biden or Pres. Obama would endorse or show favoritism at this stage in the primary Attorney in Texas Sep 2015 #7
But of course you left off VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #2
"make a speech on the blatant hypocrisy of the...private-email-server attack on Clinton" is not good Attorney in Texas Sep 2015 #3
He stated a few days ago he might not be able to handle it emotionally AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #4
He did not say he wouldn't run. He had the chance to do it, but he stopped short of saying BlueCaliDem Sep 2015 #5
If the VP is watching the tea leaves and trial balloons, I hope he sees the "don't run" signals Attorney in Texas Sep 2015 #6
I don't think he ever wanted to run Mnpaul Sep 2015 #8
I think if I was VP I wouldn't want to run for Pres Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #9
In the past 150 years, only one sitting VP successfully transitioned to President. It's a tough path Attorney in Texas Sep 2015 #11
He's been working under the assumption that (a) he is older than would be ideal and (b) Clinton has Attorney in Texas Sep 2015 #10
TRUMP: Noun. A candidate who cannot win the primary but weakens the party's nominee for the general Attorney in Texas Sep 2015 #12
Good Points....Recommend KoKo Sep 2015 #13
I think he should run. We deserve an alternative from the Clinton/Bush dynasties. nt Romulox Sep 2015 #14
"We deserve an alternative from the Clinton/Bush dynasties." Agreed! Meet Bernie Sanders (or Martin Attorney in Texas Sep 2015 #15
I support Sanders. However, the center/right should have a non Bush/Clinton alternative. nt Romulox Sep 2015 #16
Chafee is center/right (to Clinton's left on foreign policy and to her right on Domestic policy). Attorney in Texas Sep 2015 #17
Are you telling me, or are you telling Joe? He could quash the rumors instantly, if he wanted to. nt Romulox Sep 2015 #18
I was responding to your suggestion "the center/right should have a non Bush/Clinton alternative" Attorney in Texas Sep 2015 #19
OK, but it's not up to me. I said I think Joe should run, and you haven't changed my mind. Romulox Sep 2015 #20
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