2016 Postmortem

TwilightGardener

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33. Well, no--when it's a .gov unclassified system that either accidentally or deliberately

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 12:39 PM

Sep 2015

receives, stores, or sends classified material, then the issue is to be properly reported, investigated, and resolved--potentially with some folks getting reprimanded or getting into trouble (because the systems are separated physically). That's on the agency and the people within the agency who use and maintain the system. Private email accounts or servers--whose responsibility is it? If it was a one-time accident that was reported and stopped, no problem. If the account or server was SET UP in such a manner to be separated from normal agency oversight and responsibility, and no attempt was ever made to correct or prevent the flow or storage of classified info in the system--there may be a problem.

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2nd Review Says Classified Information Was in Hillary Clinton's Email [View all] askew Sep 2015 OP

STILL a nothingburger..... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #1

That is false. She sent presumed classified materials to a non gov't person, Sid Blumenthal leveymg Sep 2015 #60

Not according to every other article I have read... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #61

What have you been reading? We are talking about 5% of the total number of emails reviewed contain leveymg Sep 2015 #64

"presumed" VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #65

"Presumed classified" is the same thing legally as "deemed classified." leveymg Sep 2015 #66

but it DOES happen.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #67

The source of "presumed classified" is a 2009 Presidential Order that impacted all agencies leveymg Sep 2015 #68

then why has she been cleared of charges? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #70

That references a federal regulation, not the 1917 Espionage Act and 2009 Presidential Order that leveymg Sep 2015 #72

read the full article... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #73

I did. It's an Oped not an article. I also read the regulation. leveymg Sep 2015 #74

Just like your nothingburger is an opinion VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #79

They were retroactively MARKED classified B/C they were not properly marked Skwmom Sep 2015 #78

and.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #2

NY Times is still lying. DURHAM D Sep 2015 #5

They did....this Poster is the one that is not recognizing it.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #9

�We maintain a principled position � no to coup�. HappyPlace Sep 2015 #7

I was just going to post this. Why is the OP so dismissive of the State Department? Metric System Sep 2015 #12

Still digging for pay-dirt in the same old holes.... revmclaren Sep 2015 #3

The NYT is not a credible source Buzz cook Sep 2015 #4

So true. nt DURHAM D Sep 2015 #6

If it isn't posted in the HRC room, it isn't credible? What's a credible source, now? leveymg Sep 2015 #62

The NYT has repeatedly Buzz cook Sep 2015 #83

Another hit piece by the NYT mcar Sep 2015 #8

and NBCnews, and Christian Science Monitor, and the CIA magical thyme Sep 2015 #38

Keep working it! zappaman Sep 2015 #10

Benghazi!!...nt SidDithers Sep 2015 #11

Well, the likeliehood that some poor sod who sent that will be ruined just surged HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #13

Blah blah blah blah blah Gman Sep 2015 #14

Very unlikely, and as I have said during on air discussions, irrelevant to the whole private email stevenleser Sep 2015 #15

Some people, including the media, are just too damn dumb DURHAM D Sep 2015 #16

beyond stupidity, the words "Clinton" and "scandal" Capn Sunshine Sep 2015 #18

No. People are not stupid. n/t Skwmom Sep 2015 #21

Classified material didn't "make its way" to her server. Someone sent it to her. TwilightGardener Sep 2015 #27

You're ignoring the storage issue. jeff47 Sep 2015 #28

You're framing this incorrectly stevenleser Sep 2015 #29

Actually, it does matter. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #30

Well, no--when it's a .gov unclassified system that either accidentally or deliberately TwilightGardener Sep 2015 #33

It changes who's fault it is. jeff47 Sep 2015 #46

Here comes Biden! Puzzledtraveller Sep 2015 #17

Nope. Folks have been alleging this for weeks. It doesnt make sense as I noted above. stevenleser Sep 2015 #19

I bet you a virtual Coca-Cola Puzzledtraveller Sep 2015 #22

Make it a diet coke and you are on! nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #23

Deal! Puzzledtraveller Sep 2015 #24

This board has a "samey" feeling to it. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #20

As Yogi Berra would say, "Deja vous all over again". oasis Sep 2015 #69

There's no interagency dispute--State for some reason is still trying to defend her, but TwilightGardener Sep 2015 #25

her spinning is terrible to boot. "I didn't think about email" allows only one of two possibilities: magical thyme Sep 2015 #36

Agree completely--you framed the issue well. TwilightGardener Sep 2015 #39

ut-oh! nt Romulox Sep 2015 #26

They'll argue about this until doomsday HassleCat Sep 2015 #31

satellite data on NK nukes only came from one source magical thyme Sep 2015 #34

At the risk of repeating myself HassleCat Sep 2015 #37

or somebody left off the heading when they copied the data, vs copying the original source magical thyme Sep 2015 #41

Too late, but not too late HassleCat Sep 2015 #44

HRC is still very much in trouble for lesser classified email she sent and for operating an insecure leveymg Sep 2015 #76

How dare you let me send you classified info. JoePhilly Sep 2015 #32

Nailed it. emulatorloo Sep 2015 #35

If ... JoePhilly Sep 2015 #51

You can't receive and store classified info or materials on non-classified systems. TwilightGardener Sep 2015 #40

So you mean out of around 30,000 JoePhilly Sep 2015 #42

How much classified info did Petraeus hold on his computer or in a binder? TwilightGardener Sep 2015 #43

Patraeus GAVE the information to his GIRLFRIEND ... JoePhilly Sep 2015 #45

Neither you or I know everything she received, what she may have sent, what she TwilightGardener Sep 2015 #80

No. They found 4 out of a sample of 40 emails. jeff47 Sep 2015 #47

Clinton was required to report the security breach jeff47 Sep 2015 #48

So out of 30k emails ... JoePhilly Sep 2015 #50

No. 4 out of 40 emails. jeff47 Sep 2015 #53

This article says TWO emails. JoePhilly Sep 2015 #55

Two are TS/SCI. Two are SECRET. That's 4. jeff47 Sep 2015 #57

If the info came from the DNI ... JoePhilly Sep 2015 #58

The emails are not verbatim copies of classified documents. jeff47 Sep 2015 #59

So info that was retyped from memory ... JoePhilly Sep 2015 #63

Because the DNI says it was. jeff47 Sep 2015 #71

That batch of 30K emails was on a thumb drive kept by HRCs lawyer. Never heard they were retyped leveymg Sep 2015 #75

Regular people don't care about the damned emails! rusty fender Sep 2015 #49

Anyone with an understanding of information security is concerned. [n/t] Maedhros Sep 2015 #52

You "important smart" people are so concerned with your rusty fender Sep 2015 #81

Yes, the information should be made available to the American People via the FOIA Maedhros Sep 2015 #82

Scary Putin rusty fender Sep 2015 #84

Your post is irrelevant to the topic at hand. Maedhros Sep 2015 #85

What does this have to do with Benghazi? n/t doc03 Sep 2015 #54

Well, her only crime was breaking US Law... nt Romulox Sep 2015 #56

Yes, but we'll try to ignore that. leveymg Sep 2015 #77