2016 Postmortem

DanTex

(20,709 posts) Tue Sep 8, 2015, 12:56 PM Sep 2015

Hillary-hate from the far left seems more intense than Obama-hate. Why is that? [View all]

It's mostly coming from the same people on the far left, but the Hillary bashing rhetoric is much more unhinged than the anti-Obama stuff (with some obvious exceptions). Which doesn't make much sense, because they are pretty similar from a policy standpoint. If anything, Hillary is further left.

And this isn't residual animosity from the contentious 2008 primary, because Obama and his supporters got over whatever bad blood there was quickly. Hillary endorsed Obama, both Clintons campaigned for him vigorously, she served as SoS, and basically the fences are mended.

One possibility is that, since Obama is fighting the Republicans every day and his policies are being blocked by them, it's hard to make the "Obama is a Republican" argument with a straight face. In this case, as soon as the GE comes around, and Hillary is up against the GOP, then the Hillary-bashing should abate somewhat, as it becomes clear what an actual Republican is and how far that is from Hillary.

But I think it's more than that. For some reason, a segment on the far left just truly hates her personally. It's beyond reason.

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Hillary-hate from the far left seems more intense than Obama-hate. Why is that? [View all] DanTex Sep 2015 OP

They hated her when she was first lady. TexasProgresive Sep 2015 #1

Too young to remember. Did the far left hate Hillary specifically, or the whole administration? DanTex Sep 2015 #4

Not really sure TexasProgresive Sep 2015 #11

You made a declarative statement re the left hating Hillary in the 90's. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #45

Those who don't understand history -- have no business discussing it Armstead Sep 2015 #64

yes the far-left did, hence the showings of ericson00 Sep 2015 #223

Very telling. LeftOfWest Sep 2015 #286

"Too young to remember." LeftOfWest Sep 2015 #287

The 'far left' hated her in the 90s? AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #96

I think the new definition of far left is any dem that says they won't vote for her roguevalley Sep 2015 #137

No. Far Left: Those who are hard to distinguish from the Far Right. Hortensis Sep 2015 #152

Oh, good Christ! TransitJohn Sep 2015 #204

TransitJohn, "FDR Democrats" aren't far/radical left. FDR Democrats were/are Hortensis Sep 2015 #278

Well that made sense AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #271

A Dem that won't vote for a Dem is not a Dem! Tommy2Tone Sep 2015 #159

A dem that choses to spend their vote on a different dem candidate is a dem. Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #180

no. george wallace was a dem. think about that remark. roguevalley Sep 2015 #188

Again and again I get more proof Tommy2Tone Sep 2015 #194

Wait, you made a general claim: a dem who don't vote for a dem is not a dem. Vattel Sep 2015 #199

When George Wallace ran for President in 1968, it was not as a Democrat � BlueStateLib Sep 2015 #258

irrelevant to my point Vattel Sep 2015 #260

I was going to make that point but thanks for making it for me Tommy2Tone Sep 2015 #265

Tommy, parties are political organizations different people may support for Hortensis Sep 2015 #279

Wallace ran as a Democrat in both the '64 and '72 primaries Art_from_Ark Sep 2015 #267

Why don't I give you my password and you post for me Tommy2Tone Sep 2015 #264

again and again, you show yourself to be a sad boy. I didn't compare your queen to wallace. roguevalley Sep 2015 #217

Well, I'll probably vote for her if she's the nominee but I'm working really hard to help PatrickforO Sep 2015 #238

Hating the person most likely to prevent Republicans fom VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #202

My fear is that she will hand them exactly what they want. artislife Sep 2015 #257

That is what Obama did AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #274

The fear card AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #273

Fairly clear that anyone right of Karl Marx is in for a bashing in some small circles. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #2

VERY SMALL CIRCLES, goddamn it Armstead Sep 2015 #65

Small, but loud circles. nt Cali_Democrat Sep 2015 #241

Soo... kenfrequed Sep 2015 #272

Have you stopped beating your wife? Why is that? LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #3

I'm single. So what do you think of Hillary-hate versus Obama-hate? DanTex Sep 2015 #5

I'm not surprised. What do you think of dishonest framing? LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #9

Not surprised, huh. Is that a personal attack? DanTex Sep 2015 #17

Of course it's a personal attack. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #18

I have never forgiven Hillary for using Reverend Wright against Obama.... virtualobserver Sep 2015 #24

If Obama can and you can't.... SonderWoman Sep 2015 #28

I don't forgive politicians who stoop that low..... virtualobserver Sep 2015 #30

Yeah okay. How about Obama's anti-Hillary ads? SonderWoman Sep 2015 #36

Nice try, but Obama didn't create the ad..... virtualobserver Sep 2015 #46

Oh no! You mean it was his surrogates??? SonderWoman Sep 2015 #51

it was the Apple ad that ran during the Super Bowl back in 1984, Hillary 1984 ad was on youtube virtualobserver Sep 2015 #59

Fail. Phlem Sep 2015 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Sep 2015 #89

And it's not "Third Way" to affect dissatisfaction with militarism while hopping into bed with the MADem Sep 2015 #144

It's not so much about triangulation but Phlem Sep 2015 #158

Well, this election cycle it's the "economic" argument, but previous to this it was MADem Sep 2015 #170

Maybe he's triangulating on the F-35's Phlem Sep 2015 #176

You shouldn't be ignoring your race card, then. Instead of yelling at ME about it, MADem Sep 2015 #184

"You shouldn't be ignoring your race card, then." Phlem Sep 2015 #190

Really? You don't say!! No racism in tech? None? My, we need to ALERT THE MEDIA!!!!! MADem Sep 2015 #191

Really? Phlem Sep 2015 #192

Come on--the conversation I was having wasn't about your office. MADem Sep 2015 #203

OMFG. Phlem Sep 2015 #210

Yes, it DOES matter--just because no one is telling you doesn't mean it's not happening. MADem Sep 2015 #221

You just make shit up don't ya. Phlem Sep 2015 #227

Well done. You went longer than I could. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #230

Thank You. Phlem Sep 2015 #231

Well Phlem, I guess you are perpetually screwed then. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #244

You missed the point. Heckuvajob. nt MADem Sep 2015 #237

If the point was to ignore and then deride then kudos to you. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #239

I listened. I heard what he was saying, and I provided him with some links about MADem Sep 2015 #240

I agree with much you say. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #242

Economic justice alone doesn't help the people who are outside the bubble, though. MADem Sep 2015 #245

Thank you for taking the time to reply in such a manner. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #248

Unions are in a good position to sponsor minority entry into underrepresented fields. MADem Sep 2015 #249

Well said and true. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #252

I've always looked for the union label.... MADem Sep 2015 #255

How about something from this lovely union store? Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #256

Hee hee--I'm shopping at this union-made store!! MADem Sep 2015 #268

No--I am just listening to what you are telling me. MADem Sep 2015 #235

Reminds me of how can Bernie manage to barely criticize Hillary yet many, not all, of his randys1 Sep 2015 #102

would you cut the same slack in terms of being unwilling to trust dsc Sep 2015 #53

I'm not familiar with that event.......but let me get this straight virtualobserver Sep 2015 #71

No but many many gay members of this board were literally dsc Sep 2015 #259

You have the right to speak the truth....and so do I virtualobserver Sep 2015 #263

Do you HATE Sanders? Armstead Sep 2015 #70

Do you think dishonest framing is a shitty technique? LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #23

Looks like you're only in this for the personal attacks and dodges. DanTex Sep 2015 #25

Looks like you are only in this to frame issues dishonestly LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #27

Both Hillary and Obama hate from the far left are very real. The question is, why DanTex Sep 2015 #31

I will construct a strawman, than fill it with lies. Then I will ask how much you agree with it, LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #33

Well, if you don't think Hillary hate exists, you can just say so. DanTex Sep 2015 #34

Keep practicing. You'll get the hang of this yet. LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #35

You're in deep denial: SonderWoman Sep 2015 #37

Yup 115 recs for pure Hillary bashing. DanTex Sep 2015 #40

And not just bashing, but advocating sitting out of election. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #42

It's awful when people advocate sitting out elections, isn't it? LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #88

LOL. Of all the people complaining... LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #44

Who called Bernie a pedophile? SonderWoman Sep 2015 #48

Either you have been struck on the head and lost your memory from two weeks ago LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #52

I think you may have been "struck on the head". SonderWoman Sep 2015 #57

Of course you don't. Which of course explains why is was hidden LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #66

Still got nothing, huh? SonderWoman Sep 2015 #69

I've got nothing...except your post trying to make Bernie out as pedophile and getting the hide it LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #74

Which you produced no evidence of. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #79

And here is another, which also got a hide LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #81

Yup, still nothing about me calling him a pedophile. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #85

It is awful how one can be "smeared" simply by pointing to his or her posts, isn't it? LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #86

Still can't find that post you claim, huh? SonderWoman Sep 2015 #91

I don't know that I've ever seen anyone, when presented with their own posts, continue to insist LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #95

Integrity and Hillary support AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #103

You are correct. You didn't call him a pedophile Armstead Sep 2015 #111

He produced it AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #101

It was hidden because it got a "good" (cough) jury. The question is still out there for the GOP to MADem Sep 2015 #187

Where does that post (bad hide, IMO) say what you said she is saying? MADem Sep 2015 #174

June 2014? AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #98

I'm Feeling More DanTex Hate in this Thread than Hillary Hate Stallion Sep 2015 #115

Look who's talking--this entire subthread is based on a false assertion you made! nt MADem Sep 2015 #175

How about you stop using the word "hate" Armstead Sep 2015 #68

The word "hate" is the correct one to describe the phenomenon here. DanTex Sep 2015 #73

Why are so many people so critical of Obama and Clinton? Armstead Sep 2015 #83

That would be the correct way of phrasing it if there weren't hatred going around. DanTex Sep 2015 #87

There's "bashing" of candidates on all sides. Armstead Sep 2015 #97

I disagree with the "both sides" thing. DanTex Sep 2015 #109

You're biased in your asessment Armstead Sep 2015 #113

Well, to me it seems that you are biased in your assessment. DanTex Sep 2015 #116

No, a moronic hyped up insult is using the word "haters and other facile insulting characterizations Armstead Sep 2015 #132

Well, again, I disagree. I use the word "hate" when I think it's appropriate. DanTex Sep 2015 #139

I agree, I see the same thing on rightwing boards that I Often see here, as a Bernie supporter randys1 Sep 2015 #105

+1 arcane1 Sep 2015 #90

And you won the jury on an alert! Divernan Sep 2015 #211

The right has fomented the hate for decades and tailored it to low info voters. SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #6

I think at Obama-hate's height, it was about equal. It's faded because Obama is nearly gone now... stevenleser Sep 2015 #7

Just like those who "HATE" the left Armstead Sep 2015 #80

What are the silly reasons? Mnpaul Sep 2015 #206

Nope, doesn't fit me rufus dog Sep 2015 #236

Well certainly her policies are beyond reproach in the sense that criticizing her policies el_bryanto Sep 2015 #8

Indeed LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #12

Her policies aren't much different from Obama's. If anything, they are further left. DanTex Sep 2015 #14

I know which ones I oppose, which policies of hers do you oppose? Please explain in detail randys1 Sep 2015 #106

I havent seen a response to my question. Which policies, exactly, do you oppose? randys1 Sep 2015 #150

I'm sorry not to respond as quickly as you would like el_bryanto Sep 2015 #160

I kind thought this would be your response. In typing this, can you concede that randys1 Sep 2015 #166

Because both Hillary and Obama are moderate conservatives? nt el_bryanto Sep 2015 #183

It seems to me that, for your purposes, not supporting Hillary - Hillary-hate. djean111 Sep 2015 #10

It is personal HassleCat Sep 2015 #13

I agree. nt jonno99 Sep 2015 #41

So we're back to which candidate you sunnystarr Sep 2015 #100

Nailed it! liberal N proud Sep 2015 #133

"Hillary hate" is like "the liberal media", "the gay agenda," and even "voter fraud" RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #15

+1 Rufus! hifiguy Sep 2015 #154

Absolutely correct hueymahl Sep 2015 #156

more than one Hillary supporter has posted attacks on bernie using those "far left " sources virtualobserver Sep 2015 #161

Socialists are impossible to please. They should be thrilled to have their man in the White House. RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #163

If anything, Hillary is further left. DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #16

Look at what she's running on. Even in 2008, she was slightly to Obama's left. DanTex Sep 2015 #21

You DO know that the Mandate to BUY Health Insurance... bvar22 Sep 2015 #269

Hillary whining from the left seems more intense now also. Nt Logical Sep 2015 #19

Ooooo...straw man! HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #20

Hillary hate from the "far left"? tech3149 Sep 2015 #22

Surprised you haven't seen it. DanTex Sep 2015 #29

You've got to better than that to sell me that story tech3149 Sep 2015 #58

No shit. "Hey, let's see how many lies we can pump into one thread. Won't that be fun!?!?!!" LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #32

Many Democrats are tired of the blowback from the Clintons' lack of ethical standards. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #26

Exactly. Though it's the Clintons' lack of ethical standards plus their corporate policies. Skwmom Sep 2015 #60

Bill Clinton signed/supported the most egregious GOP-inspired bills and policy. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #108

The 1950s called, The HUAC would like their talking points back nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #38

Really. It's a pity Joseph Welch isn't alive and posting to DU. n/t RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #39

Of course, because nobody actually hates Hillary. No way! DanTex Sep 2015 #43

Once again, the 1950s called for that red baiting of yours nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #47

Umm, I didn't say anything remotely red-baiting. Notice the lack of the word "communist". DanTex Sep 2015 #49

You did nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #55

Oh, I see. Yeah, the "far left" is people who are "far" to the "left". DanTex Sep 2015 #62

For reference purposes, can you please name someone who is "far left"? RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #75

Ralph Nader. DanTex Sep 2015 #76

Lmao!!!!!! nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #84

LMAO indeed. Ralph Nader is "center left". I guess it depends what planet you're on. DanTex Sep 2015 #110

I call mine reality nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #114

Is he a Democrat? Does he post here? Seriously? AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #123

Well, alrighty then. Thanks for sharing. It says a great deal about you. RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #92

LOL. Based on some internet chart. Good times. DanTex Sep 2015 #112

Based on actual positions Mnpaul Sep 2015 #200

When you are Third Way, i.e., 1980s Republicans now claiming to be Democrats LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #220

Agreed Mnpaul Sep 2015 #225

Funny the meme used to be that nader was "far right" Armstead Sep 2015 #93

You have to go that far outside the party? AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #122

I was asked to name one person who is "far left" and I answered. DanTex Sep 2015 #125

And you couldn't name a single Democrat AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #126

I wasn't asked to name a Democrat. DanTex Sep 2015 #129

You are projecting AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #130

Nader? Name some "far left" positions he's taken. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #250

Which of Nader's positions do you consider far left? Mnpaul Sep 2015 #212

Bernie Sanders sunnystarr Sep 2015 #162

Glad you love Bernie. But he isn't far left. RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #165

In the US in 2015 he's far left sunnystarr Sep 2015 #167

Mebbe so, but it gives us a pretty skewed sense of what "far left" actually entails RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #171

democratic socialist sunnystarr Sep 2015 #193

I agree PowerToThePeople Sep 2015 #195

I have here in my hand the names of 115 Hillary Haters! RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #56

Thread winner! HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #63

OK. Who squealed? Wilms Sep 2015 #135

Seems we got a stool pigeon problem. nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #141

He's makin' a list... checkin' it twice... gonna find out who's (you know the rest) cherokeeprogressive Sep 2015 #208

I won't vote for her but don't hate her. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #251

Yeah like he fought with them on TPP ibegurpard Sep 2015 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Sep 2015 #54

We don't want to be triangulated again. immoderate Sep 2015 #61

A significant portion is coming from Crossroads America Capn Sunshine Sep 2015 #67

There is no need for misleading, her record is clear LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #148

Funny, you're proving my point Capn Sunshine Sep 2015 #169

It is a list of what she has done and what her policies are LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #196

No it's a list of interpretations of things you have heard Capn Sunshine Sep 2015 #198

So you don't have any idea about what a standard of proof is? DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #243

More Hillary-hysteria when faced with criticism Boomer Sep 2015 #72

I'm a "leftist" and I don't "hate" Hillary. I just don't want her as president. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #77

You have to understand nichomachus Sep 2015 #99

Yep. Similar to the way that a parent reacts when you don't agree that their baby is cute or smart. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #104

Admit it, nicho! Karl Rove paid you to post that. RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #155

Sounds conservative to me Mnpaul Sep 2015 #215

GOP trolls ginning up hatred and anti hillary talking points. applegrove Sep 2015 #78

ANYTHING AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #94

Interestingly, one of the OPs that brought this to mind was about Hillary's proposals for DanTex Sep 2015 #107

Oh, they say they care "about the issues" but it's been clear for some time that the ONLY BlueCaliDem Sep 2015 #117

How many issues based OPs have you posted lately? AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #118

You have selective memory. My last OP in this forum: DanTex Sep 2015 #120

80% of the OPs I have seen you post AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #146

Because people don't believe her ibegurpard Sep 2015 #186

Of course Hillary haters don't believe her. That's my point. DanTex Sep 2015 #197

I don't know anybody who hates her. mahina Sep 2015 #119

DU rec...nt SidDithers Sep 2015 #121

"seems', "I think" and the basic tenor of the post makes it clear that your opinion, guillaumeb Sep 2015 #124

Far left? THE FAR LEFT? Ron Green Sep 2015 #127

I'm posting on DU about the far left because the far left has contempt for most Democrats, DanTex Sep 2015 #134

I supported Obama. I campaigned for him. I WAS ON THE BALLOT with Barack Obama Ron Green Sep 2015 #147

"it's not about left and right. That's the language of fools. It's about vital political engagement. RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #172

Don't forget Arkansas ibegurpard Sep 2015 #181

After being wrong about Obama for 6+ years ... JoePhilly Sep 2015 #128

"They were wrong, and they are angry" -- yes, this. betsuni Sep 2015 #216

My take is fairly simple. hifiguy Sep 2015 #131

Yep. Firthermore I don't 840high Sep 2015 #138

Not sure how you can argue that nothing has changed... DanTex Sep 2015 #143

I haven't taken the government-issued unemployment figures hifiguy Sep 2015 #151

Unemployment numbers PowerToThePeople Sep 2015 #177

I think some (not ALL, mind you--SOME) of the "far lefties" are not "far lefties" at all. MADem Sep 2015 #136

Da ding ding ding Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #214

And their snark isn't funny because it isn't based on anything true. betsuni Sep 2015 #219

Really. The same old insults in the same old way.... nt MADem Sep 2015 #222

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Sep 2015 #140

LOL. Thanks for making my point. DanTex Sep 2015 #142

Seriously. That person couldn't have made your point for you any better if they tried. nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #145

Your utter inability to refute the post didn't slip past anyone's attention. nt Romulox Sep 2015 #153

No surprise there! That thread is like Kryptonite to Clinton supporters. arcane1 Sep 2015 #182

The warmongering? C Street? KamaAina Sep 2015 #149

Most of the hate is coming from non Democrats Tommy2Tone Sep 2015 #157

Who are these "Far Lefties" of which you speak? bvar22 Sep 2015 #164

You know, Phlem Sep 2015 #168

Hillary is terrible on the issues like her husband jfern Sep 2015 #173

If she's terrible on the issues, why was Clinton so popular as president? NYCButterfinger Sep 2015 #232

He had charisma, Hillary doesn't jfern Sep 2015 #233

Patriot act, AUMF, TPP. PowerToThePeople Sep 2015 #178

This message was self-deleted by its author Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #179

You might say the same thing about Bernie-hate. Vinca Sep 2015 #185

He is way more likable. artislife Sep 2015 #189

"Hate"? "Far left"? TransitJohn Sep 2015 #201

give it a rest wendylaroux Sep 2015 #205

For the same reasons the President is an enabler of the 1%, she is untrustworthy . orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #207

She's a southerner Doingto Sep 2015 #209

Ah, yes, don't you just love the Old South grandeur of... SMC22307 Sep 2015 #228

If people who value/uphold traditional Democratic values are far left... demmiblue Sep 2015 #213

The media's manipulation and distortions of Hillary Clinton Veritas48 Sep 2015 #218

because they still resent that it took moderates like the Clintons ericson00 Sep 2015 #224

Ah yes, that diabolical Hillary hate Scootaloo Sep 2015 #226

Your question is tendenciously framed, of course. Vattel Sep 2015 #229

I like Obama, dislike Hillary, and as per the online test match best with Bernie rufus dog Sep 2015 #234

Because I'm not sexist or racist and she still sucks. eom Fawke Em Sep 2015 #246

Racism is unacceptable (in the left), sexism is still the status quo. McCamy Taylor Sep 2015 #247

I criticized Obama and voted for a woman for president in 2012. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #253

Welcome to DU! Fumesucker Sep 2015 #254

You hit the nail on the head. Beacool Sep 2015 #285

The "far left" is just a bunch of progressive policy junkies who don't care about personalities eridani Sep 2015 #261

The Hillary bashing is getting old Gothmog Sep 2015 #262

Typical third way hyperbole JackInGreen Sep 2015 #266

Another 'no link' OP projecting onto Sanders supporters AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #270

Hillary hate = Any type of Hillary criticism marmar Sep 2015 #275

I agree that the intensity is indeed greater Gothmog Sep 2015 #276

I don't hate her but I lost respect for her a long time ago marlakay Sep 2015 #277

Her marriage, her decision. Not yours to make. Beacool Sep 2015 #280

Of course it was her decision marlakay Sep 2015 #283

" If anything, Hillary is further left."--Because this isn't actually true. Chan790 Sep 2015 #281

I've seen a lot of unsupported Obama hate Hollingsworth Sep 2015 #282

There is no hate, disagreement yes, deal with it and try to confuse the issues. n/t slipslidingaway Sep 2015 #284