2016 Postmortem

cali

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34. yes, it's painful but we, as a nation, do so in one situation after anotherr

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 12:32 PM

Sep 2015

and.sadly, we have all too often chosen to side with those doing the raping and murdering. And even more frequently we've made things worse by intervening. You are looking at things in a frighteningly simplistic way.

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Hillary is a Scoop Jackson Democrat. She's an interventionist [View all] cali Sep 2015 OP

Scoop Jackson ran for president twice and (thankfully) lost. But, his wing of the party Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #1

In hindsight, we probably should have armed Syrian rebels. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #2

What does your hindsight tell you about the Iraq war? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #3

the poster is clearly wrong about Syria. cali Sep 2015 #5

She's either not thinking clearly or horribly uninformed. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #6

There's clearly no way of knowing that. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #12

actually, there really is. there's quite enough solid evidence.to cali Sep 2015 #17

Pretty hard to watch women and children rape and murdered SonderWoman Sep 2015 #20

Part of that rebel faction is ISIS. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2015 #26

yes, it's painful but we, as a nation, do so in one situation after anotherr cali Sep 2015 #34

Selective outrage RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #36

Yes, it is. Chan790 Sep 2015 #46

This "cartoon" explains artislife Sep 2015 #32

That is brilliant. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #37

I just started an OP in the GD artislife Sep 2015 #39

your comment displays a woeful lack of knowledge. there was and is, no way cali Sep 2015 #4

Bernie zealously voted for war in Afghanistan. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #10

Bernie was wrong on Afghanistan. But it was an understandable forgivable mistake. Iraq, not so much. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #21

give it up. the evidence doesn't support your sad attempt to cali Sep 2015 #23

Some wars are necessary. retrowire Sep 2015 #30

he was "zelaous" about it? Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #61

Most Democrats voted for Afghaninst and against Iraq jfern Sep 2015 #86

Like we armed the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #8

Nope. Completely different scenario. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #13

really?..then you'll have no trouble explaining why it's so different. what group or groups cali Sep 2015 #25

Oh gosh, now we're citing Iranian media to casigate Sanders Armstead Sep 2015 #19

If only we had armed ISIS, Syria would be a perfect utopia jfern Sep 2015 #110

Which Syrian rebels? Our record at picking Islamists to back-- eridani Sep 2015 #114

As president, Hill will have advisers, both military and civilian. None oasis Sep 2015 #7

Obama is proof a lack of experience in foreign policy just may be a plus. Snotcicles Sep 2015 #9

Hillary's intellect and "ability to reason" were never in question. oasis Sep 2015 #11

Hillary was duped by Dubya Fumesucker Sep 2015 #14

IWR vote: I guess you rate Kerry and Biden's intelligence level the same. oasis Sep 2015 #18

Pretty much Fumesucker Sep 2015 #28

Yup, the old reliable "We at DU knew, why didn't congress folk?" oasis Sep 2015 #42

mind you, it was a blank check to go to war. period. war is precisely cali Sep 2015 #62

So all who authorized the "blank check" are "hawkish zealots" oasis Sep 2015 #65

no, as I said, I think most of them did so for political reasons. cali Sep 2015 #72

Sorry if it sounds cliche ridden but there oasis Sep 2015 #75

You want America to be number one in what, exactly? frylock Sep 2015 #100

Economy, education , military you know the same ol' oasis Sep 2015 #105

We suck at everything except military spending.. frylock Sep 2015 #107

Hillary can multitask you know. <nt> oasis Sep 2015 #108

No, I don't know. frylock Sep 2015 #109

If I had the slightest chance of swaying you I would oasis Sep 2015 #111

I'll take Clusterfucks for $1000, Alex.. frylock Sep 2015 #112

So if you knew the push for war with Iraq was ginned up bullshit LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #82

Congress folk certainly didn't know Hans Blix oasis Sep 2015 #84

Yet you say you knew it was bullshit all along, and yet you LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #85

There was far more involved. Bush had made his oasis Sep 2015 #89

Yes, and throughout all of that going on, you and I both knew going after Iraq was complete bullshit LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #90

2004 presidential candidate John Kerry, 2008-16 VP Joe Biden oasis Sep 2015 #91

Ok, I guess you and I have very different expectations for our politicians LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #92

Some disappoint repeatedly, others make mistakes oasis Sep 2015 #93

What did Clinton learn from her IWR vote? frylock Sep 2015 #96

Don't trust Bush. <nt> oasis Sep 2015 #97

She needed that vote to learn that, hunh? frylock Sep 2015 #99

Savvy enough to convince American voters leading up to GE day. oasis Sep 2015 #102

Hillary will be a two-time loser.. frylock Sep 2015 #103

I think they all voted for it for political reasons. cali Sep 2015 #35

I just think Bernie Sanders is a far superior choice in all aspects. nt Snotcicles Sep 2015 #15

What makes you so sure that she will select advisers jwirr Sep 2015 #16

I'm not sold that Hill is "militant". She's savvy in foreign oasis Sep 2015 #22

I am not exactly interested in whar the GOP is doing jwirr Sep 2015 #31

If Hillary's being "a follower" scares you. That's solved oasis Sep 2015 #38

I once saw a poster that said "I had better go with them jwirr Sep 2015 #47

"Not all leaders lead". Huh? oasis Sep 2015 #54

actually, she really is a philosophical hawk. It's much more than her being a follower cali Sep 2015 #41

the article posted makes its case that she is using specifics cali Sep 2015 #115

she has an ugly record. Honduras, Libya. Her support for the iraq war cali Sep 2015 #27

To be sure, Hill's not going to take any crap from those oasis Sep 2015 #33

oh fuck. really? And do they hate us for our freedoms? cali Sep 2015 #40

They hate us because they hate us. With Hill at the helm oasis Sep 2015 #45

"The world will know they won't be dealing with a pushover." Chan790 Sep 2015 #51

"America must be second to none" JFK. <nt> oasis Sep 2015 #56

There's a canyon of difference between JFK and Nixon there... Chan790 Sep 2015 #63

Hill is no "neophyte" of foreign policy, nor oasis Sep 2015 #67

what does that even mean? have a clue: it's hollow jingoistic political rhetoric cali Sep 2015 #66

Many of JFK's addresses were like that, "hollow" man that he was. oasis Sep 2015 #71

I didn't say or infer that he was hollow. cali Sep 2015 #74

Again. I was not for the Iraq war. Furthermore oasis Sep 2015 #76

wrong. in the middle east, they hate us for our deeds. cali Sep 2015 #64

Simplistic or not, my "mindset" mirrors the majority of Americans. oasis Sep 2015 #73

I see a lot of Maggie Thatcher in HRH hifiguy Sep 2015 #77

Both are women uh huh, I get it. oasis Sep 2015 #83

I don't think you do get it.. frylock Sep 2015 #101

Honduras wants to destroy us? frylock Sep 2015 #98

Sorry, I was around then. BlueMTexpat Sep 2015 #24

sorry but a hollow.declaration without explanation, is meaningless. cali Sep 2015 #29

Edit: Not even close to worth it with this one. nt. SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #43

that is a comment that reflects a dearth of a cogent response to the facts in the op. cali Sep 2015 #48

You really do not know what you are talking about. uwep Sep 2015 #58

what on earth are you going on about, dear? cali Sep 2015 #68

Funny, his policy proposals sound just like Hubert Humphrey hifiguy Sep 2015 #78

Hubert wouldn't recognize today's Democratic party dflprincess Sep 2015 #104

Th is why I edited my reply. SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #116

Uh huh, yeah, got it. Darb Sep 2015 #44

um, no. you do not get it. I've been pointing this out about Hillary for years cali Sep 2015 #52

She admires War Criminal Henry Kissinger hifiguy Sep 2015 #79

Wow, just wow. Kissinger helped Pol Pot come to power. jfern Sep 2015 #88

And one time, at band camp .... JoePhilly Sep 2015 #49

discuss her campaign or persona and Hillary supporters carp. discuss issues and they carp cali Sep 2015 #57

Your political pronouncements are starting to sound ... JoePhilly Sep 2015 #60

It's an article from Time Magazine cali Sep 2015 #70

I was in college during part of the Vietnam War. jalan48 Sep 2015 #50

They didn't call him the senator from Boeing for nothing. hifiguy Sep 2015 #80

Yep-and an accurate description it is. jalan48 Sep 2015 #81

If she becomes POTUS she will have the US hifiguy Sep 2015 #53

Whatever she is... SoapBox Sep 2015 #55

I think part of the problem is too many of her people are stuck in the last century. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #59

stuck in the last century Mnpaul Sep 2015 #69

How many Democratic presidents since the early 20th century have NOT been interventionists? wyldwolf Sep 2015 #87

Scoop would've been 1000x more effective than Jimmy Carter, ericson00 Sep 2015 #94

Thanks for the thread! Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #95

Of course Scoop did represent Boeing dflprincess Sep 2015 #106

She's always been a hawk and probably always will be. cheapdate Sep 2015 #113