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In reply to the discussion: When HRC was SoS one of her foreign policy advisors was famed neocon [View all]KoKo
(84,711 posts)14. Robert Kagan & his NeoCon Wife Victoria Nuland who served Bill Clinton, Dick Cheney and SOS Hillary
The strange appointment of Victoria Nuland as State Department Spokesperson
By Patricia H. Kushlis--Thursday, 19 May 2011
Update: 7/12/2013 - Toria grilled about Benghazi role at Senate Foreign Relations Committee confirmation hearing today for her next high level position: Assistant Secretary of State for Europe.
Is Hillary asleep at the switch? What is going on here?
Earlier this week, Josh Rogin at FP and Eric Martin at Progressive Realist both flagged the curious appointment of Victoria Nuland as the next State Department Spokesperson to fill P.J. Crowleys shoes.
Martin questions whether this has foreign policy implications, in particular the replacement of an anti-torture appointee with someone who served as Principal Deputy National Security Advisor to Vice President Cheney.
Rogin doesnt directly raise potential administration policy shifts but does point out that once upon a time Nuland was Strobe Talbotts Chief of Staff when he was Deputy Secretary of State during the Clinton Administration and that Talbott had thought very highly of her at the time and still does. In fact, he, according to Rogin, praised her to the hilt in an interview about the pending appointment. So the seemingly amoral Nuland, were led to believe, can and will do anyones bidding and do it well in short, a consummate career diplomat.
Why?
But why would Hillary Clinton and the Obama administration agree to appoint to this politically sensitive position someone who willingly served such a controversial figure in suppporting and implementing the war on terror and all the baggage that comes with it? Furthermore, how reliable is a Talbott reference anyway? After all, I understand that he just helped his friend Robert Kagan, Nulands neocon husband, get a job at Brookings and Talbott is also a friend of neocon writer Marc Gerecht, the husband of Diane Zeleny who also just latched onto a likely sweetheart deal sort of appointment as Head of External Relations and Congressional Affairs at the Broadcasting Board of Governors (BBG). Whether Zeleny deserves or is qualified for the position or not.
From what I know about the Department, an FSO doesnt just get detailed to the staff of a highly charged and ideological Vice President unless that detailee agrees to follow the bosss dictates. Cheneys were all too often forceful and odious. Furthermore, does anyone really think that Cheney with his penchant for super loyalty and secrecy - would have ever accepted Nuland (or anyone else) for the position without some kind of loyalty test?
Surely the State Department under Hillary Clinton could have found equally (or likely even better) qualified career candidates who do not carry Nulands political baggage.
Behind the scenes trade off?
Or was this some kind of behind the scenes deal a trade off for who knows what - that those of us innocents outside the inner circles are not privy?
Continued at.......
http://whirledview.typepad.com/whirledview/2011/05/the-strange-appointment-of-victoria-nuland-as-states-spokesperson.html
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No problem Obamas State Dept spokesperson is married to Romneys neocon foreign policy adviser
Here is a crazy story no one is talking about that is evidence of the Israel lobbys role in our politics. Last week, Mitt Romney announced a foreign policy team that includes Robert Kagan, a neocon who pushed for the Iraq war.
But Kagan is married to Victoria Nuland, who is a spokesperson for the State Department. Laurie Bennett notes the strangeness of this conjunction:
Victoria Nulands role as spokesperson for the State Department, deemed strange by some who remember her tenure as principal deputy national security adviser to then Vice President Dick Cheney, has become stranger yet.
Her husband, Robert Kagan, has joined Mitt Romneys presidential campaign as a foreign policy adviser.
Kagan, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, also advised the McCain campaign in 2008.
Kagan, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, also advised the McCain campaign in 2008.
Ordinarily this would cause a lot of strain. Nuland would be under pressure. Chris Matthews would be asking what the heck shes doing in a political job at State when her husband is preparing the opposition.
But in fact, Nulands Cheney resume and her marriage to Kagan are actually credentials in the Democratic Party: they demonstrate Obamas sensitivity to the Israel lobby. And party bosses are happy to have these playing cards now that Obama is under siege from his own party about Israel.
Kagan pushed the Iraq war to George Bush as a battle to help Israel. He and his neocon friends wrote, If we do not move against Saddam Hussein and his regime, the damage our Israeli friends and we have suffered until now may someday appear but a prelude to much greater horrors Israels fight against terrorism is our fight. Israels victory is an important part of our victory.
So Nulands presence is like Dennis Rosss presence in the same building as Middle East advisera man the ADL calls an advocate for Israel, who was lately chairman of the Jewish People Policy Planning Institute in Jerusalem. Or Stuart Leveys former role in Obamas Treasury department in the same position he had under George Bush and Levey is a man whose college dissertation, written under Martin Peretz, was about the importance of preserving the Zionist dream.
More at:
http://mondoweiss.net/2011/10/no-problem-obamas-state-dept-spokesperson-is-married-to-romneys-neocon-foreign-policy-adviser
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A number of career foreign policy aparachiks are committed neocons. They serve GOP and Dems alike,
leveymg
Sep 2015
#35
Totally agree. And that's why we should prefer candidates that have a human side, a conscience.
erronis
Sep 2015
#10
A lot of male Democrats did also. Ever since Viet Nam and being called soft.
LiberalArkie
Sep 2015
#28
Robert Kagan & his NeoCon Wife Victoria Nuland who served Bill Clinton, Dick Cheney and SOS Hillary
KoKo
Sep 2015
#14
Clearly you're just an irrational hater who hates Obama's race and Clinton's gender.
arcane1
Sep 2015
#54
He wasn't hired at the same time as the appointment of Clinton as Secretary of State.
George II
Sep 2015
#39
I tried to research it (google) and I couldn't find who and when he was hired
passiveporcupine
Sep 2015
#40
I think the responsibility to check his background belongs to the OP. She's the one who threw out..
George II
Sep 2015
#41
Sorry, I haven't presented his resume here as being what it is in the OP.....
George II
Sep 2015
#50
No it isn't. Do you know when Kagan started working for the State Department? It wasn't during...
George II
Sep 2015
#64
December, 2011. Unless you have a link to refute my link direct from the State Department.
arcane1
Sep 2015
#67
The Obama administration was not his first stint at State, the first was under Reagan and George
Bluenorthwest
Sep 2015
#70
Like I asked rhetorically earlier, I'll say it outright now - you don't know how.....
George II
Sep 2015
#85
I DO know, and I've led you to the post several times proving it. Here it is again to ignore:
arcane1
Sep 2015
#86
Simply NOT true - Kagan has been working for the State Department for more than 30 years! He....
George II
Sep 2015
#88
State.gov: "Secretary Clinton selected a distinguished, diverse, and bipartisan membership..."
arcane1
Sep 2015
#56
And my post goes ignored while other posts get replies telling me I'm ignorant.
arcane1
Sep 2015
#68
It's truly sad that here, on DEMOCRATIC Underground, that this tactic is used.
George II
Sep 2015
#51
Wake up. There's a warmonger advising a leading presidential candidate.
DisgustipatedinCA
Sep 2015
#77
I'm not too crazy about it, personally. Old Iran/Contra people aren't welcome either.
arcane1
Sep 2015
#104