2016 Postmortem

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66. You make a lot of good points. nt

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Ouch !!! - 'The Clinton Campaign Puts The �Moron� Into Oxymoron' - WaPo [View all] WillyT Sep 2015 OP

Scorpions sting padfun Sep 2015 #1

I've heard that parable. I'm not interested in being the fox that gets stung and drowns. Bubzer Sep 2015 #81

It is a shame that she is so managed since she has real gifts. olegramps Sep 2015 #123

To be honest, the real reason for all the consultants and all the makeovers is sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #135

exceedingly well said! green917 Sep 2015 #150

That's what a lot of people can't seem to get. It's ALL about the Issues. And on those issues sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #156

Makes me wonder if Marty McGraw Sep 2015 #165

precisely! green917 Sep 2015 #168

So her work as Secretary of State was horrible. olegramps Sep 2015 #167

BASH BASH BASH Hillary, BASH BASH BASH randys1 Sep 2015 #2

Yeah yeah, we get it. Thou shalt not criticize morningfog Sep 2015 #6

You do know randys1 is a bernie supporter, correct? sheshe2 Sep 2015 #48

. Dragonfli Sep 2015 #70

- L0oniX Sep 2015 #72

To make it a threesome... SMC22307 Sep 2015 #75

Just like all those other Bernie "supporters"... cui bono Sep 2015 #76

Doesn't seem like it. Every time he does that bash bash bash thing, PatrickforO Sep 2015 #98

Maybe you should have a conversation with him sheshe2 Sep 2015 #100

Odd, so am I... Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #162

Even Dems are jerks uwep Sep 2015 #137

Who's the jerk here? morningfog Sep 2015 #138

this was damn good advice ibegurpard Sep 2015 #10

do you want this sort of disconnected ineptness in the oval office? reddread Sep 2015 #40

Depends on which Hillary makeover we're talkin about. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2015 #110

will it come with a guarantee/warranty? reddread Sep 2015 #136

Sad but true. Countin on Bernie to change all that. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2015 #145

yes, who could possibly think "planned spontaneity" was ripe to be made fun of? Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #13

Oh, I don't know. In Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, no one made fun of Professor McGonagle PatrickforO Sep 2015 #99

She seems to have bought herself some real talent Hollingsworth Sep 2015 #146

Is it? It sounds like it's asking for Hillary to be Hillary to me. Gore1FL Sep 2015 #14

I can be objective and I think this is a pretty good observation of what's going on. gateley Sep 2015 #16

gateley? sheshe2 Sep 2015 #50

shee!!!!!!! gateley Sep 2015 #59

Hey gateley!!!!!!!! sheshe2 Sep 2015 #61

Whether or not he runs, I'm hoping it makes him feel good that so many gateley Sep 2015 #64

Thanks sweets. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #67

Biden "stands for women"? Really? After what he did to Anita Hill (and the women who came to kath Sep 2015 #143

+1 beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #158

It's the curse of too much money - it means too many consultants telling her what to do. And then CanadaexPat Sep 2015 #63

Really an act of betrayal -- nobody has and loyalty anymore. gateley Sep 2015 #65

A bit like too many cooks spoil the pot... Bubzer Sep 2015 #83

A President has lots of consultants and salaried advisors telling him or her what to do as well. merrily Sep 2015 #87

very good point NJCher Sep 2015 #119

It's often a fake point. CanadaexPat Sep 2015 #121

I hadn't noticed that, but now that you mention it, it's stupid (for anybody). SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #128

probably never occurred to them NJCher Sep 2015 #152

" it gives the appearance of disarray and constant panic" SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #126

It's like previews of next season's VEEP-credit claiming/blame dodging. Divernan Sep 2015 #163

I agree there are some fair critiques of the campaign in this piece. It reminds me of 2008 when I Metric System Sep 2015 #157

No, MILBANK MILBANK MILBANK. Not Bash Bash Bash. TrollBuster9090 Sep 2015 #27

lol 840high Sep 2015 #33

Look... You Can Ascribe Any Motivations To Me That You Want, But... WillyT Sep 2015 #44

Interesting you mention tone deaf here. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #106

Bashing gets you recs~ sheshe2 Sep 2015 #49

Wow... Really ??? WillyT Sep 2015 #56

Remember what you said to me Willy? sheshe2 Sep 2015 #60

Remember the OP you posted? cui bono Sep 2015 #140

Associating Bernie with slavery and racist cops got you 23: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #93

How many recs did you get for your worse than bashing OPs? cui bono Sep 2015 #141

At least no one's trying to imply she's racist like a lot of DUers have with Bernie. cui bono Sep 2015 #77

When they were trying to swiftboat Sanders? Fumesucker Sep 2015 #104

Point taken. cui bono Sep 2015 #142

LO fucking L pocoloco Sep 2015 #120

It is "Hillary's" campaign.... raindaddy Sep 2015 #130

Hillary responsible? Responsibility is for the great unwashed. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2015 #147

Why'd she win NH in 2008? jeff47 Sep 2015 #3

Let's ask the consultants! Nt. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #7

maybe she should hire Uber-Consultant Axelrod! Fuddnik Sep 2015 #117

Was she? A woman mentioned her hair and make up and asked how she could manage merrily Sep 2015 #88

This is a very good point. Betty Karlson Sep 2015 #107

Dana Milbank. I just don't like this guy. He is such an opportunist. It's now OK to bash Hillary, so thereismore Sep 2015 #4

nothing in that article is inherently wrong. If it was she would be leading now. All she is roguevalley Sep 2015 #9

I dont agree that she has no poltical sense. I think others said it right...she needs to be herself. Bubzer Sep 2015 #84

She's "allowed" to be whatever she wants. All the final decisions about how she presents herself merrily Sep 2015 #89

Thank you! frylock Sep 2015 #91

Either way. Either we are seeing Hillary, or we are seeing someone who hires the wrong people merrily Sep 2015 #92

I couldn't agree more.. frylock Sep 2015 #94

And it's hard to trust Clinton to tell good advice from bad advice, if we are Nay Sep 2015 #112

Right on! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #102

That seems a fair assessment Bubzer Sep 2015 #159

Ahh...bad use of wording on my part. Sorry for that. Bubzer Sep 2015 #155

"with zero political sense" < That's not true. If this was 1990 she would be spot on. n/t jtuck004 Sep 2015 #118

Okay, then: "Quarter of a century old political sense" demwing Sep 2015 #144

It's also about integrity. Skwmom Sep 2015 #5

"perhaps the most transparent phoniness since Al Gore discovered earth tones." bvar22 Sep 2015 #8

Stay the course FlatBaroque Sep 2015 #11

Yup. SoapBox Sep 2015 #12

It is due to wanting something too much. Her desire to be president is more important than JDPriestly Sep 2015 #24

^^^WHAT JDPriestly SAID^^^ Android3.14 Sep 2015 #30

You said it! I always Duval Sep 2015 #32

Amen XemaSab Sep 2015 #41

100% reddread Sep 2015 #42

So true. hifiguy Sep 2015 #43

When you said fixated it made me think of Romney marlakay Sep 2015 #57

HRC is like so many managers. They have to hear "That is the best idea I have ever heard" from LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #45

Christie's another one NJCher Sep 2015 #122

I have worked with managers like that, and no I did not being around when LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #133

... gateley Sep 2015 #71

... MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #86

I share a similar opinion. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #103

This strikes me as very true, and is probably the source of all my trepidation Nay Sep 2015 #113

Yep. nt SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #129

You know, PatSeg Sep 2015 #151

I'm waiting for Hillary 7.0, when she declares that she's a socialist. Old Crow Sep 2015 #15

In Hillary 8.0, she finally admits she is a Communist Tea Partier/Wobbly Bircher LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #17

People want a person kacekwl Sep 2015 #18

Agree -- that's the only reason I can think of that he's soaring in the polls. gateley Sep 2015 #68

I honestly don't think she has any idea anymore hifiguy Sep 2015 #19

^^^this^^^ Demeter Sep 2015 #22

Every day the parallels with Nixon become more apparent. hifiguy Sep 2015 #23

No, she started out as a Goldwater Girl and someone who, circa 1960, rejected merrily Sep 2015 #96

Sigh... SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #154

Smart people posting this evening Android3.14 Sep 2015 #31

That happens when you put your faith in money. zeemike Sep 2015 #37

I also think Hillary would be doing fine if she were only up against the same old Nay Sep 2015 #114

You make a lot of good points. nt gateley Sep 2015 #66

That's what I've been thinking these days... KoKo Sep 2015 #149

I love these lines from Mame, talking to her actress friend: Demeter Sep 2015 #20

Hey-She may do what Milbank suggests... catnhatnh Sep 2015 #21

LOL. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #25

Her big-mouthed staff have created an "etch-a-sketch" meme for her. She needs to do some tblue37 Sep 2015 #26

Yeah, good ole' Dana. Hey! Remember that time he purposely misquoted Obama in 2008? wyldwolf Sep 2015 #28

I am sure you know what an ad hominem attack is? Attack the messanger and ignore the message. rhett o rick Sep 2015 #55

I'm sure you know what an unreliable blowhard he is? wyldwolf Sep 2015 #58

I salute you. It's hard to argue against point that's borrowed from a Mad Libs tablet. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #73

And that's about as substantive a response as I expected. nm rhett o rick Sep 2015 #79

First, I support Hilary Clinton. And second... TrollBuster9090 Sep 2015 #29

Will the the real Hillary please stand up! passiveporcupine Sep 2015 #35

^^ This !!! ^^ WillyT Sep 2015 #36

Halfway there Rilgin Sep 2015 #97

Hillary 6.0 = The Real Hillary mhatrw Sep 2015 #34

solid advice, and it was free AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #38

That's What I Thought... WillyT Sep 2015 #39

She'll ditch the consultants as soon as she hears back from them if it's a good idea. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #46

Milbank lecturing on being 'authentic?' bigtree Sep 2015 #47

it is possible to be an authentic pompous ass virtualobserver Sep 2015 #51

right bigtree Sep 2015 #54

oddly enough, this is exactly what those who love clinton need to hear DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #52

Exactly !!! WillyT Sep 2015 #53

Yep!! Good advice, and it's free. nt Nay Sep 2015 #115

He voted for John McCain in 2000, Chuck Hagel in 2004, and Michael Bloomberg in 2008. oberliner Sep 2015 #62

That doesn't make what he said any less valid. He didn't present it in a gateley Sep 2015 #69

I remember reading about that woman in the '90s BuelahWitch Sep 2015 #74

i would very much like to see Clinton "chuck all that" n/t eridani Sep 2015 #78

OMG�Yes, Hillary Clinton needs to be herself! CoffeeCat Sep 2015 #80

Honestly? I'd say if she hasn't learned it by now... Old Crow Sep 2015 #82

even her movements and speech seem phony and trite grasswire Sep 2015 #85

Her advisors and strategists are the people SHE decided merrily Sep 2015 #90

Correction Geronimoe Sep 2015 #95

And she also was working for Sam Walton, truedelphi Sep 2015 #101

high profile joke? NJCher Sep 2015 #125

Again, this is all horse race BS. salib Sep 2015 #105

Yeah, winning is the issue Lorien Sep 2015 #108

Ouch! That's gotta hurt. But the part I felt was most correct is this bit: peacebird Sep 2015 #109

The voters do NOT reject a phony every time. tomp Sep 2015 #111

Sadly true, kacekwl Sep 2015 #116

Yeah, Dana Milbank has always been so objective regarding Hillary Clinton One of the 99 Sep 2015 #124

She can't "be herself" because SHE DOESN'T KNOW WHO SHE IS! tularetom Sep 2015 #127

So a weak, dependent woman did this? Rose Siding Sep 2015 #134

Hmmmmm...I have a different take on this. elzenmahn Sep 2015 #139

Flashback: Dana Milbank calls Hillary a "mad bitch" Phantomaz Sep 2015 #131

Please. None of that matters. randome Sep 2015 #132

Milbank is not the only one! HenryWallace Sep 2015 #148

Thank You For That !!! WillyT Sep 2015 #153

Think: Spanish armada, English Channel, 1588. Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #160

Even if she dumped the consultants, she would still be Hillary... . emsimon33 Sep 2015 #161

You know Bezos owns WAPO... right??? NotHardly Sep 2015 #164

Hillary should emulate the Italian tennis player who beat Serena yesterday. Vinca Sep 2015 #166