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DanTex

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53. I believe that he is now a capitalist, and that in 1987 he was a classical socialist.

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 12:42 PM

Sep 2015

This is based on the things he has said. In recent years he has said he is not in favor of nationalizing major industries, he just wants more regulation and a stronger safety net, but with a basically capitalist system. So that's why I say he is now a capitalist.

He calls himself a socialist, which might be accurate because socialism is a very broad and often vague term. But the outlooked he explained in that 1987 interview was classical socialism: government owns the factories, they are run on a worker's council/cooperative model rather than a labor/management model, and so on.

Of course, it's possible that he still believes in a government run economy, he's just not saying so anymore. But if what he advocates for is what he actual believes, he is a social democrat, not a democratic socialist, and as such he is a supporter of a capitalist economic system.

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The most evolved Dem candidate is Bernie Sanders. By a long shot. [View all] DanTex Sep 2015 OP

He also went from conscientious objector to... SonderWoman Sep 2015 #1

... MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #6

I block videos on my phone. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #25

I agree, It'd be really frightening to have this Hippie Peacenik Warmonger in office Armstead Sep 2015 #71

At least he didn't laugh it up about going to war with Iran: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #92

That Is A Whole Lot Of Creative Speculation cantbeserious Sep 2015 #2

How old was Bernie when he last "evolved" on a major issue? MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #3

When he was 46, he was in favor of the government owning the major industries. DanTex Sep 2015 #10

Do you have a link? MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #35

Sure. Here's a Bernie quote from a 1987 interview. DanTex Sep 2015 #36

Long interview, will read it later for context MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #61

LMAO. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #4

at least we finally know what desperation smells like virtualobserver Sep 2015 #5

He never fails to deliver. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #9

the funny thing is, the title is correct virtualobserver Sep 2015 #14

The whole post is correct, not just the title. You'll find that happens a lot with my OPs if you DanTex Sep 2015 #21

What I find is that you start off with a false premise...... virtualobserver Sep 2015 #40

Not sure what you mean by that. Bernie used to be a classical socialist, and now he's a capitalist. DanTex Sep 2015 #42

Democratic Socialist then and now virtualobserver Sep 2015 #47

Sure, he was never an authoritarian socialist, but he was in favor of government ownership DanTex Sep 2015 #51

"in favor of government ownership of major industries" virtualobserver Sep 2015 #56

He didn't go into details about what should be nationalized. His term was DanTex Sep 2015 #57

He did not say "nationalized" he said "decentralization" virtualobserver Sep 2015 #59

He said "public ownership of the major means of production" which means government owned. DanTex Sep 2015 #60

when you read his entire statement, it is clear that he did not mean that. virtualobserver Sep 2015 #62

What's clear is that he wanted the government to own the major industries. DanTex Sep 2015 #68

only in your imagination virtualobserver Sep 2015 #72

Again, he said "public ownership of the major means of production". DanTex Sep 2015 #74

public is people, and he said "decentralized" virtualobserver Sep 2015 #75

"Public ownership" has only one meaning: owned by the government. DanTex Sep 2015 #78

if that was really his position in 1987 virtualobserver Sep 2015 #80

Aha, so now you're saying that he misspoke when he very clearly advocated for DanTex Sep 2015 #83

you "imagine", but you can't back it up. He didn't misspeak, you misinterpreted virtualobserver Sep 2015 #89

Ooh, this keeps getting better. So now, unless Bernie advocates for government DanTex Sep 2015 #91

If he never said anything like that during his entire career, it shows how flimsy your assertion is. virtualobserver Sep 2015 #93

That is true. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #22

perhaps no evolution at all virtualobserver Sep 2015 #50

I noticed. 840high Sep 2015 #90

I have an image of a poster artislife Sep 2015 #18

Wow I think you are on to something. Puglover Sep 2015 #79

all that's missing from his OP titles is odd numbered listicles MoveIt Sep 2015 #84

Remember, the OP, last I heard, hasn't quite made up his mind yet who to support. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #94

Lol. We see through their silly game. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #95

Only two sentences before lobbing "Hillary haters". Wilms Sep 2015 #7

Sounds like "Bernie Hate" to me, maybe even full-blown BDS (Bernie Derangement Syndrome)!! Bonobo Sep 2015 #8

It's funny that nobody actually wants to discuss Bernie's evolution. DanTex Sep 2015 #11

It's frustrating to be greeted with your own dodges. nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #20

Not sure what that means. So about Bernie's evolution, how do you explain it? DanTex Sep 2015 #24

It means your BS about Hillary Hate Bonobo Sep 2015 #27

Hillary hate, yes of course that's the main reason why people ignore Bernie's evolving DanTex Sep 2015 #28

No, you totally misunderstand! Bonobo Sep 2015 #33

That's odd. So what do you think of Bernie's massive evolution? Don't want to talk about that, huh. DanTex Sep 2015 #34

Your vicious unreasoning hatred of Bernie is disturbing. Nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #37

Actually, I like Bernie, I think he's great. So what do you think of his evolution? DanTex Sep 2015 #38

Really? How predictable. The hate is palpable. nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #39

I like Bernie, I've been consistent about that. So how about that evolution? DanTex Sep 2015 #41

You are really just a red-baiting troll PowerToThePeople Sep 2015 #12

Yes, "red-baiting" is one of the terms people use to avoid giving coherent answers. DanTex Sep 2015 #17

It is you trying to conflate. PowerToThePeople Sep 2015 #19

Not at all: communism and socialism are distinct. You just like to call people names DanTex Sep 2015 #23

facts are facts PowerToThePeople Sep 2015 #26

For example, the fact that Bernie is a socialist, not a communist. DanTex Sep 2015 #30

I am proud of his socialist economic tendencies PowerToThePeople Sep 2015 #43

In the OP you called him a capitalist so which is he, a capitalist or a socialist? Bjorn Against Sep 2015 #49

I believe that he is now a capitalist, and that in 1987 he was a classical socialist. DanTex Sep 2015 #53

So why then in the post that I responded to did you refer to "the fact that Bernie is a socialist"? Bjorn Against Sep 2015 #55

The point of that post is that I never called him "communist", and yet I was being accused of DanTex Sep 2015 #76

So now you twist yourself in knots to explain how he could be both socialist and capitalist Bjorn Against Sep 2015 #81

LOL. Now you're doing the same thing. The only people talking about communists DanTex Sep 2015 #85

I edited my post, I meant to say capitalist and typed the wrong word Bjorn Against Sep 2015 #86

OK, fair enough. DanTex Sep 2015 #87

And do you know why? pinebox Sep 2015 #13

He didn't support marriage equality in 1973 dsc Sep 2015 #29

Catch :) pinebox Sep 2015 #46

No it would not dsc Sep 2015 #54

It is not clear when exactly Bernie became a supporter of marriage equality... Bjorn Against Sep 2015 #58

I have researched the isse dsc Sep 2015 #64

Um, about the Arkansas sodomy law... cherokeeprogressive Sep 2015 #63

in fairness we are both right dsc Sep 2015 #66

I'll go with that Android3.14 Sep 2015 #15

I'd say that would be Jim Webb, long time Republican and holder of major positions in the Reagan Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #16

I'll give you that Jim Webb evolved a lot. DanTex Sep 2015 #44

Weren't you just arguing on another azmom Sep 2015 #31

No. I was arguing he was that in the 80s (which, by his own words, he was). DanTex Sep 2015 #32

And you're basing this evolution off your failed interpretation of an article from 1987? ram2008 Sep 2015 #45

lol LWolf Sep 2015 #48

Bwahahhah! You never fail to crack me up. morningfog Sep 2015 #52

I love the way some folks on DU start calling DanTex names redstateblues Sep 2015 #65

Bill had long hair when he was young and look at him now! Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #67

Yes, that's exactly like dramatically switching your political economic worldview DanTex Sep 2015 #69

You're very young, right? Armstead Sep 2015 #70

Well, I used to be "very" young. Now I'm young-ish. DanTex Sep 2015 #73

I haven't the time to explain it all but... Armstead Sep 2015 #77

Is Yosemite Sam from Texas? MoveIt Sep 2015 #82

Well, he's the oldest, that's for sure. elleng Sep 2015 #88