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94. If Elizabeth ran - or if we have some combination

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Sat Sep 12, 2015, 02:30 PM

Sep 2015

of a Bernie/Elizabeth (or Elizabeth/Bernie) ticket I think most progressives will be fine with it.

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Most Sanders supporters care about policy. Most HRC supporters just like her for "who she is." [View all] gobears10 Sep 2015 OP

I agree, it's more of a persona vs. policy primary race. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #1

Bernie for policy, but Hillary above all to keep the GOP from taking over. Hortensis Sep 2015 #97

i do not think hillary can win in the general questionseverything Sep 2015 #103

I wholeheartedly agree. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #104

Agreed. I see many Republicans, Libertarians and Independents Lorien Sep 2015 #123

libertarians, indies and some repubs will support him because questionseverything Sep 2015 #126

The ability to pull people together...please let it grow. Hortensis Sep 2015 #172

Add to that a very serious trust issue. Bubzer Sep 2015 #125

yes that is an excellent common sense point questionseverything Sep 2015 #128

Correct. Everyone knows she can't win. delrem Sep 2015 #159

You are absolutely right. SheilaT Sep 2015 #144

There are many reasons why I support Sanders, but one of them is I do not think Hillary can sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #112

Well, you guys, we could be in a much worse position. We have a candidate Hortensis Sep 2015 #119

I wouldn't call what the GOP is supporting, conservatism...I'd call it fascism or corporatism. Bubzer Sep 2015 #129

Absolutely agree. The social and religious right have been subverted Hortensis Sep 2015 #163

Good post. Thanks. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #154

I really don't think Hillary can win in the general election. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #153

And Worse Too Many In Both parties Find Hillary Totally Unlikeable billhicks76 Sep 2015 #122

I agree completely. I don't think she would be our best chance to win. nt. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #135

She is said to be likeable enough 6chars Sep 2015 #139

No Offense But billhicks76 Sep 2015 #148

This was Obama's line in 08 6chars Sep 2015 #151

I'm for getting money out of politics aidbo Sep 2015 #2

Hillary thinks we're electing the next "American Presidential Idol" Rainbowdy Sep 2015 #3

Hillary is an idol in her own mind. 840high Sep 2015 #14

She has reason to think so. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #61

Very good points Bubzer Sep 2015 #130

Hillary Reminds Me Of Romney billhicks76 Sep 2015 #149

You forgot? elleng Sep 2015 #4

I'm sorry!! gobears10 Sep 2015 #5

Sounds like a good man Ino Sep 2015 #7

He's a great man, elleng Sep 2015 #8

Well, not before he announced he's running. (nt) Ino Sep 2015 #10

That would be a great pairing! Bubzer Sep 2015 #131

elleng, you are a fantastic advocate for O'Malley. merrily Sep 2015 #18

Thanks, merrily, elleng Sep 2015 #19

I did not know that, but you deserve to be a professional advocate. merrily Sep 2015 #21

+1 Bubzer Sep 2015 #133

This^ . I appreciate elleng's positive approach... ms liberty Sep 2015 #46

She is very knowledgeable about O'Malley, too. Facts at fingertips. merrily Sep 2015 #47

I like O'Malley a lot dorkzilla Sep 2015 #56

i can not get past his broken windows policy as mayor questionseverything Sep 2015 #106

I like Martin O'Malley too. He definitely deserves his own threads. Hortensis Sep 2015 #173

Thanks, Hortensis. elleng Sep 2015 #174

Lol GitRDun Sep 2015 #6

Another OP using a VERY broad brush to characterize all Hillary supporters. pffp! riversedge Sep 2015 #11

Perhaps you can explain a post two days ago to the Hillary group that had this at the end roguevalley Sep 2015 #24

you are the playing the victim with your post. riversedge Sep 2015 #26

BWAHAHAHA! And your victimization about broad brush painting? I asked a question roguevalley Sep 2015 #31

Explain the Bernie poster who.... PosterChild Sep 2015 #143

LOL! OnyxCollie Sep 2015 #120

That's what I see as well. cui bono Sep 2015 #9

That was mean and insensitive. mhatrw Sep 2015 #39

You got me all riled up... cui bono Sep 2015 #81

Exactly. I find it to be the ultimate insult to my intelligence. 99Forever Sep 2015 #69

Seriously. They think we're stupid enough to buy it. And if it's true then they're the stupid ones. cui bono Sep 2015 #83

After thinking a lot about this, I feel that there are 2 sides to this issue. mhatrw Sep 2015 #117

So well said. All of it. senz Sep 2015 #111

Some people agree with her policies and honestly believe she's the best person for the country. gateley Sep 2015 #12

Don't forgt: some think you have to like a candidate's SUPPORTERS, too! n/t Beartracks Sep 2015 #35

Well, lots of people believe incorrect things. n/t Chan790 Sep 2015 #48

You are correct, some are very vested in continuing to move the party to the right LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #60

I don't know about that. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #62

I could easily support a candidate I don't personally like, bvar22 Sep 2015 #98

Thank you. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #155

The Hillary or Obama model, if I may call it that Hydra Sep 2015 #13

I thank you. 840high Sep 2015 #15

plus they rely on brand familiarity Puzzledtraveller Sep 2015 #76

Most people are not high information voters Hydra Sep 2015 #142

A candidate is a person, not just a bunch of positions 6chars Sep 2015 #141

What a shallow observation. JohnnyRingo Sep 2015 #16

Your subject line ALONE gets my rec. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2015 #17

It's because we Hillary supporters are so shallow... LuvLoogie Sep 2015 #20

I'm voting for Hillary. No offense to any of the other candidates supporters. Laser102 Sep 2015 #121

Could you please explain WHY you are and always will support Hillary? JDPriestly Sep 2015 #157

Thanks for that question; I'll be surprised if there's an answer. Ron Green Sep 2015 #178

True on all points. zentrum Sep 2015 #22

You've got THAT right! n/t vkkv Sep 2015 #23

Off topic artislife Sep 2015 #32

I also like the sig line. Is that original? Scuba Sep 2015 #88

Sig line, yes, I came up it with after years of hearing and seeing references to "God" dressed in vkkv Sep 2015 #113

So this is yoour *opinion* MohRokTah Sep 2015 #25

Everyone on DU has an opinion. And none seem shy about expressing it. SleeplessinSoCal Sep 2015 #27

for goodness sake, put on an overcoat at least! dorkzilla Sep 2015 #59

Your sig line-- Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #79

3 are not Demcrats. eom MohRokTah Sep 2015 #89

Good luck with your POO. Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #90

Yeah, you think Corbyn's a reason to vote Tory. sibelian Sep 2015 #87

Its an opinion many here clearly agree with, and so do I. Bubzer Sep 2015 #134

And is a minor subset of the Democratic PArty MohRokTah Sep 2015 #136

That would be very hard to prove, but I'd look at whatever evidence you have on that. Bubzer Sep 2015 #137

We can find he evidence to back it up within ourselves. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #156

Your point? Character and personality win elections in this country. McCamy Taylor Sep 2015 #28

Yeah! 30 Recs for Hillary Clinton is the ideal candidate to win big in the general! McCamy Taylor Sep 2015 #29

Wow! 32 recs for "Clinton's got what it takes!" McCamy Taylor Sep 2015 #30

WTF? lovemydog Sep 2015 #33

I am a Bernie Sanders supporter... malokvale77 Sep 2015 #34

It's okay, neither does she until her corporate-fascist "friends" tell her who she is today. n/t Chan790 Sep 2015 #49

Voters who voted based on policy are rare, particularly for POTUS Recursion Sep 2015 #36

Hence the problems with our system of government. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #63

Seriously? Voting for the lovelorn? LuvLoogie Sep 2015 #70

Are you afraid you'd choose the wrong candidate Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #71

Milton Bradley rules? LuvLoogie Sep 2015 #72

Yes Recursion Sep 2015 #74

Well, there ARE worse voting systems in the world. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #78

I think most hrc suporters on DU are voting for neoliberalism PowerToThePeople Sep 2015 #37

working for neoliberalism mhatrw Sep 2015 #41

You give them more credit than I would. senz Sep 2015 #108

What I hear most is that Sanders can't win. mhatrw Sep 2015 #38

When they say that stupid crap I hear "the people can't win". L0oniX Sep 2015 #75

Which is precisely the right take on it senz Sep 2015 #109

Could it be that a lot of them are corporate friendly retirement investors? L0oniX Sep 2015 #110

But that is soo Republican. How do they call themselves Dems? senz Sep 2015 #114

401k investors are in both parties but Dems act like Wall Street is a problem? L0oniX Sep 2015 #118

I don't think it works that way. senz Sep 2015 #150

There are so many posts about the supporters rather than the candidates. treestar Sep 2015 #40

And I believe that you really believe this. Nt SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #42

Does seem to be something of a tendency, yes. sibelian Sep 2015 #43

No it didn't. I lived in the UK under Maggie. GoneOffShore Sep 2015 #116

We might be about to escape!!!!!!!!! WAHOOOO!!!! sibelian Sep 2015 #158

And a crazy guy I used to know when I lived there... GoneOffShore Sep 2015 #164

ugh... well it just goes to show we have fuckwits like everyone else... sibelian Sep 2015 #165

Yes. He's always posting screeds about immigrants GoneOffShore Sep 2015 #167

They're a slithery bunch, that lot. sibelian Sep 2015 #168

This guy was never a Labour voter. GoneOffShore Sep 2015 #169

Neither was I, for a long time! Brought up Tory. sibelian Sep 2015 #170

Does your mum realize that if she came back she would be Zombie Maggie? GoneOffShore Sep 2015 #171

Someone needs to make that movie! sibelian Sep 2015 #175

Have you read Hilary Mantel's short story about Margaret Thatcher? GoneOffShore Sep 2015 #179

Most Sanders supporters live in a fantasy world. Clinton supporters are more grounded in reality wyldwolf Sep 2015 #44

Sensible Woodchucks all agree, it must be so LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #57

Are you kidding me? pinebox Sep 2015 #82

Wrong, wrong and wrong. Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #84

OK this is part of the problem kenfrequed Sep 2015 #85

Here's the actual problem wyldwolf Sep 2015 #91

You obviously didn't read what I wrote. kenfrequed Sep 2015 #96

The Clinton fantasy is that she appeals to the 63% n/t eridani Sep 2015 #140

My biggest concern is winning and keeping the Republicans from taking over this country. DCBob Sep 2015 #45

True dat. There's just too much at stake. oasis Sep 2015 #107

My biggest concern is that we will never get money out of politics passiveporcupine Sep 2015 #145

If we lose the GE with Bernie then how does that help your concern? DCBob Sep 2015 #162

Yet, HRC is the one cranking out policy papers and Bernie got none. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #50

H> campaign spends millions producing stuff. Can that stuff be said to be HRC's? HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #52

Care to provide a link to your claim? SonderWoman Sep 2015 #53

You don't seem to understand the use of links HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #55

You made a pretty 'matter of fact' statement. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #58

That's their Modus Operandi in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #65

If I accuse you of murder, should you have to prove you're not? SonderWoman Sep 2015 #68

The excuse for voting for Hillary in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #51

You're right. I like Hillary because of who she is. She will deliver on her policy ideas. N/t livetohike Sep 2015 #54

That's what many of us are afraid of. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #64

+1000 n/t in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #67

exactly nt questionseverything Sep 2015 #105

As soon as her advisers finish writing them up for her. n/t senz Sep 2015 #115

Not sure I agree KaryninMiami Sep 2015 #66

Ford, General Mills, Maytag, IBM Babel_17 Sep 2015 #73

This is why policy matters. Buying the voters is kind jwirr Sep 2015 #93

Of course. You can't be for Hill's policies, because they shift morningfog Sep 2015 #77

+1000 whathehell Sep 2015 #80

I'm not sure she even knows "who she is" tularetom Sep 2015 #86

I don't believe even Hillary5.0 could answer that question. bvar22 Sep 2015 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Sep 2015 #92

If Elizabeth ran - or if we have some combination TBF Sep 2015 #94

So Sanders supporters are good/smart and HRC supporters are evil/dumb emulatorloo Sep 2015 #95

Thank you. Metric System Sep 2015 #101

Gee, duh, um, er, thanks. Metric System Sep 2015 #99

That's the result of "branding", to create an emotional attachment separate from fact n/t arcane1 Sep 2015 #102

You are wrong that Hillary supporters don't care about policy TheLastMen Sep 2015 #124

Thanks for your post. I am a Bernie supporter. Yours is one of the first posts by a Hillary JDPriestly Sep 2015 #160

I appreciate your civil, intelligent response TheLastMen Sep 2015 #177

I could care less about the e-mail controversy personally, but I realize that Republicans so JDPriestly Sep 2015 #180

Appreciate it TheLastMen Sep 2015 #181

You make some good points. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #183

Hillary = Another Moderate Republican President cer7711 Sep 2015 #127

Hmm, really? Seems like Bernie has the personality cult on his side. kjones Sep 2015 #132

It's Sanders "policy" that is the issue NorthCarolina Sep 2015 #138

Seems to me I hear a lot of people telling other people what they think and why passiveporcupine Sep 2015 #146

Funny colsohlibgal Sep 2015 #147

Thanks. Good analysis. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #152

106 recs for "Hillary wins people's hearts!" 2016 is a lock up for the Dems. McCamy Taylor Sep 2015 #161

108. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #166

Bernie wins thinking peoples minds. L0oniX Sep 2015 #182

Many Democrats are on the conservative side cheapdate Sep 2015 #176