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KoKo

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149. That's what I've been thinking these days...
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 02:33 PM
Sep 2015
No one but Richard Nixon has ever run for the presidency so long and so obsessively. No one who wants the office that badly should ever have it.


Her campaign's announcement that Bill is coming in this week to do fundraising and appearances doesn't look good either.

I've been asking on posts for awhile here "What role will Bill play in Clinton Administration as the "First Man" and get no answer from Hillary supporters. Either they think I'm being snarky or they don't have an answer.

I ask because no one seems to want to talk about Bill's role....and, yet I think its important for us to know about. I'm a Bernie supporter but if he can't get the nomination then Hillary will be the Dem nominee and it will be too late to ask ...."What about Bill?" Is Hillary running partly for Bill's ambition to have another term so that his legacy is remembered in better terms than the scandals that dogged his first? Or, is it just because both of them are power hungry to such an extreme degree that its unhealthy. Which would along with what you say as a caution: "No one who wants the office that badly should ever have it."

Another example of power obsession is Dick Cheney who was so obsessed with power, and still is, that many feel he was the REAL Acting President behind Bush II. His ideology and friendliness with the NeoCons certainly has affected our country in a disastrous way in international and domestic policy. Hillary has had many of those same people as her advisers who have influenced her throughout her governmental career. And, Bill now has his "Clinton Foundation" with ties to foreign governments and corporations that might have undue influence over Clinton 3's Policy and Governance.

Anyway...that's my concern with a Hillary/Bill Presidency



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Scorpions sting padfun Sep 2015 #1
I've heard that parable. I'm not interested in being the fox that gets stung and drowns. Bubzer Sep 2015 #81
It is a shame that she is so managed since she has real gifts. olegramps Sep 2015 #123
To be honest, the real reason for all the consultants and all the makeovers is sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #135
exceedingly well said! green917 Sep 2015 #150
That's what a lot of people can't seem to get. It's ALL about the Issues. And on those issues sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #156
Makes me wonder if Marty McGraw Sep 2015 #165
precisely! green917 Sep 2015 #168
So her work as Secretary of State was horrible. olegramps Sep 2015 #167
BASH BASH BASH Hillary, BASH BASH BASH randys1 Sep 2015 #2
Yeah yeah, we get it. Thou shalt not criticize morningfog Sep 2015 #6
You do know randys1 is a bernie supporter, correct? sheshe2 Sep 2015 #48
. Dragonfli Sep 2015 #70
- L0oniX Sep 2015 #72
To make it a threesome... SMC22307 Sep 2015 #75
Just like all those other Bernie "supporters"... cui bono Sep 2015 #76
Doesn't seem like it. Every time he does that bash bash bash thing, PatrickforO Sep 2015 #98
Maybe you should have a conversation with him sheshe2 Sep 2015 #100
Odd, so am I... Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #162
Even Dems are jerks uwep Sep 2015 #137
Who's the jerk here? morningfog Sep 2015 #138
this was damn good advice ibegurpard Sep 2015 #10
do you want this sort of disconnected ineptness in the oval office? reddread Sep 2015 #40
Depends on which Hillary makeover we're talkin about. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2015 #110
will it come with a guarantee/warranty? reddread Sep 2015 #136
Sad but true. Countin on Bernie to change all that. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2015 #145
yes, who could possibly think "planned spontaneity" was ripe to be made fun of? Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #13
Oh, I don't know. In Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, no one made fun of Professor McGonagle PatrickforO Sep 2015 #99
She seems to have bought herself some real talent Hollingsworth Sep 2015 #146
Is it? It sounds like it's asking for Hillary to be Hillary to me. Gore1FL Sep 2015 #14
I can be objective and I think this is a pretty good observation of what's going on. gateley Sep 2015 #16
gateley? sheshe2 Sep 2015 #50
shee!!!!!!! gateley Sep 2015 #59
Hey gateley!!!!!!!! sheshe2 Sep 2015 #61
Whether or not he runs, I'm hoping it makes him feel good that so many gateley Sep 2015 #64
Thanks sweets. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #67
Biden "stands for women"? Really? After what he did to Anita Hill (and the women who came to kath Sep 2015 #143
+1 beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #158
It's the curse of too much money - it means too many consultants telling her what to do. And then CanadaexPat Sep 2015 #63
Really an act of betrayal -- nobody has and loyalty anymore. gateley Sep 2015 #65
A bit like too many cooks spoil the pot... Bubzer Sep 2015 #83
A President has lots of consultants and salaried advisors telling him or her what to do as well. merrily Sep 2015 #87
very good point NJCher Sep 2015 #119
It's often a fake point. CanadaexPat Sep 2015 #121
I hadn't noticed that, but now that you mention it, it's stupid (for anybody). SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #128
probably never occurred to them NJCher Sep 2015 #152
" it gives the appearance of disarray and constant panic" SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #126
It's like previews of next season's VEEP-credit claiming/blame dodging. Divernan Sep 2015 #163
I agree there are some fair critiques of the campaign in this piece. It reminds me of 2008 when I Metric System Sep 2015 #157
No, MILBANK MILBANK MILBANK. Not Bash Bash Bash. TrollBuster9090 Sep 2015 #27
lol 840high Sep 2015 #33
Look... You Can Ascribe Any Motivations To Me That You Want, But... WillyT Sep 2015 #44
Interesting you mention tone deaf here. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #106
Bashing gets you recs~ sheshe2 Sep 2015 #49
Wow... Really ??? WillyT Sep 2015 #56
Remember what you said to me Willy? sheshe2 Sep 2015 #60
Remember the OP you posted? cui bono Sep 2015 #140
Associating Bernie with slavery and racist cops got you 23: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #93
How many recs did you get for your worse than bashing OPs? cui bono Sep 2015 #141
At least no one's trying to imply she's racist like a lot of DUers have with Bernie. cui bono Sep 2015 #77
When they were trying to swiftboat Sanders? Fumesucker Sep 2015 #104
Point taken. cui bono Sep 2015 #142
LO fucking L pocoloco Sep 2015 #120
It is "Hillary's" campaign.... raindaddy Sep 2015 #130
Hillary responsible? Responsibility is for the great unwashed. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2015 #147
Why'd she win NH in 2008? jeff47 Sep 2015 #3
Let's ask the consultants! Nt. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #7
maybe she should hire Uber-Consultant Axelrod! Fuddnik Sep 2015 #117
Was she? A woman mentioned her hair and make up and asked how she could manage merrily Sep 2015 #88
This is a very good point. Betty Karlson Sep 2015 #107
Dana Milbank. I just don't like this guy. He is such an opportunist. It's now OK to bash Hillary, so thereismore Sep 2015 #4
nothing in that article is inherently wrong. If it was she would be leading now. All she is roguevalley Sep 2015 #9
I dont agree that she has no poltical sense. I think others said it right...she needs to be herself. Bubzer Sep 2015 #84
She's "allowed" to be whatever she wants. All the final decisions about how she presents herself merrily Sep 2015 #89
Thank you! frylock Sep 2015 #91
Either way. Either we are seeing Hillary, or we are seeing someone who hires the wrong people merrily Sep 2015 #92
I couldn't agree more.. frylock Sep 2015 #94
And it's hard to trust Clinton to tell good advice from bad advice, if we are Nay Sep 2015 #112
Right on! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #102
That seems a fair assessment Bubzer Sep 2015 #159
Ahh...bad use of wording on my part. Sorry for that. Bubzer Sep 2015 #155
"with zero political sense" < That's not true. If this was 1990 she would be spot on. n/t jtuck004 Sep 2015 #118
Okay, then: "Quarter of a century old political sense" demwing Sep 2015 #144
It's also about integrity. Skwmom Sep 2015 #5
"perhaps the most transparent phoniness since Al Gore discovered earth tones." bvar22 Sep 2015 #8
Stay the course FlatBaroque Sep 2015 #11
Yup. SoapBox Sep 2015 #12
It is due to wanting something too much. Her desire to be president is more important than JDPriestly Sep 2015 #24
^^^WHAT JDPriestly SAID^^^ Android3.14 Sep 2015 #30
You said it! I always Duval Sep 2015 #32
Amen XemaSab Sep 2015 #41
100% reddread Sep 2015 #42
So true. hifiguy Sep 2015 #43
When you said fixated it made me think of Romney marlakay Sep 2015 #57
HRC is like so many managers. They have to hear "That is the best idea I have ever heard" from LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #45
Christie's another one NJCher Sep 2015 #122
I have worked with managers like that, and no I did not being around when LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #133
... gateley Sep 2015 #71
... MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #86
I share a similar opinion. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #103
This strikes me as very true, and is probably the source of all my trepidation Nay Sep 2015 #113
Yep. nt SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #129
You know, PatSeg Sep 2015 #151
I'm waiting for Hillary 7.0, when she declares that she's a socialist. Old Crow Sep 2015 #15
In Hillary 8.0, she finally admits she is a Communist Tea Partier/Wobbly Bircher LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #17
People want a person kacekwl Sep 2015 #18
Agree -- that's the only reason I can think of that he's soaring in the polls. gateley Sep 2015 #68
I honestly don't think she has any idea anymore hifiguy Sep 2015 #19
^^^this^^^ Demeter Sep 2015 #22
Every day the parallels with Nixon become more apparent. hifiguy Sep 2015 #23
No, she started out as a Goldwater Girl and someone who, circa 1960, rejected merrily Sep 2015 #96
Sigh... SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #154
Smart people posting this evening Android3.14 Sep 2015 #31
That happens when you put your faith in money. zeemike Sep 2015 #37
I also think Hillary would be doing fine if she were only up against the same old Nay Sep 2015 #114
You make a lot of good points. nt gateley Sep 2015 #66
That's what I've been thinking these days... KoKo Sep 2015 #149
I love these lines from Mame, talking to her actress friend: Demeter Sep 2015 #20
Hey-She may do what Milbank suggests... catnhatnh Sep 2015 #21
LOL. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #25
Her big-mouthed staff have created an "etch-a-sketch" meme for her. She needs to do some tblue37 Sep 2015 #26
Yeah, good ole' Dana. Hey! Remember that time he purposely misquoted Obama in 2008? wyldwolf Sep 2015 #28
I am sure you know what an ad hominem attack is? Attack the messanger and ignore the message. rhett o rick Sep 2015 #55
I'm sure you know what an unreliable blowhard he is? wyldwolf Sep 2015 #58
I salute you. It's hard to argue against point that's borrowed from a Mad Libs tablet. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #73
And that's about as substantive a response as I expected. nm rhett o rick Sep 2015 #79
First, I support Hilary Clinton. And second... TrollBuster9090 Sep 2015 #29
Will the the real Hillary please stand up! passiveporcupine Sep 2015 #35
^^ This !!! ^^ WillyT Sep 2015 #36
Halfway there Rilgin Sep 2015 #97
Hillary 6.0 = The Real Hillary mhatrw Sep 2015 #34
solid advice, and it was free AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #38
That's What I Thought... WillyT Sep 2015 #39
She'll ditch the consultants as soon as she hears back from them if it's a good idea. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #46
Milbank lecturing on being 'authentic?' bigtree Sep 2015 #47
it is possible to be an authentic pompous ass virtualobserver Sep 2015 #51
right bigtree Sep 2015 #54
oddly enough, this is exactly what those who love clinton need to hear DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #52
Exactly !!! WillyT Sep 2015 #53
Yep!! Good advice, and it's free. nt Nay Sep 2015 #115
He voted for John McCain in 2000, Chuck Hagel in 2004, and Michael Bloomberg in 2008. oberliner Sep 2015 #62
That doesn't make what he said any less valid. He didn't present it in a gateley Sep 2015 #69
I remember reading about that woman in the '90s BuelahWitch Sep 2015 #74
i would very much like to see Clinton "chuck all that" n/t eridani Sep 2015 #78
OMG…Yes, Hillary Clinton needs to be herself! CoffeeCat Sep 2015 #80
Honestly? I'd say if she hasn't learned it by now... Old Crow Sep 2015 #82
even her movements and speech seem phony and trite grasswire Sep 2015 #85
Her advisors and strategists are the people SHE decided merrily Sep 2015 #90
Correction Geronimoe Sep 2015 #95
And she also was working for Sam Walton, truedelphi Sep 2015 #101
high profile joke? NJCher Sep 2015 #125
Again, this is all horse race BS. salib Sep 2015 #105
Yeah, winning is the issue Lorien Sep 2015 #108
Ouch! That's gotta hurt. But the part I felt was most correct is this bit: peacebird Sep 2015 #109
The voters do NOT reject a phony every time. tomp Sep 2015 #111
Sadly true, kacekwl Sep 2015 #116
Yeah, Dana Milbank has always been so objective regarding Hillary Clinton One of the 99 Sep 2015 #124
She can't "be herself" because SHE DOESN'T KNOW WHO SHE IS! tularetom Sep 2015 #127
So a weak, dependent woman did this? Rose Siding Sep 2015 #134
Hmmmmm...I have a different take on this. elzenmahn Sep 2015 #139
Flashback: Dana Milbank calls Hillary a "mad bitch" Phantomaz Sep 2015 #131
Please. None of that matters. randome Sep 2015 #132
Milbank is not the only one! HenryWallace Sep 2015 #148
Thank You For That !!! WillyT Sep 2015 #153
Think: Spanish armada, English Channel, 1588. Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #160
Even if she dumped the consultants, she would still be Hillary... . emsimon33 Sep 2015 #161
You know Bezos owns WAPO... right??? NotHardly Sep 2015 #164
Hillary should emulate the Italian tennis player who beat Serena yesterday. Vinca Sep 2015 #166
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