2016 Postmortem

pnwmom

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60. This isn't about policy issues. It's about treating President Obama with the respect he deserves.

Mon Sep 14, 2015, 12:41 AM

Sep 2015

I don't think that disagreeing on policy issues gives West the right to call Obama the first n***ized President, a black mascot, a black puppet, etc.

I'm concerned that by linking up with West, Sanders is going to unnecessarily alienate many African Americans who are proud of President Obama and think he has been doing an excellent job under extremely challenging circumstances. Sanders isn't dissing Obama himself. He's not saying Obama has been a terrible President.

So why is Sanders choosing now to align himself with someone who thinks Obama HAS been a terrible President?

At this point it appears that Bernie Sanders could well be our nominee and I am deeply concerned that if he is our nominee, we could lose millions of black voters. Bernie needs to figure out how to appeal to more of them. It's not a good sign when he's linking up with someone who hates a President most AA people deeply care about.

And Cornel West has made no secret of how much he despises the President. This isn't debatable.

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"The Ghost of Cornel West" [View all] pnwmom Sep 2015 OP

In 2008, it was Jeremiah Wright. I guess this time it'll be Cornell West, huh? Scootaloo Sep 2015 #1

Did Jeremiah Wright call Obama names like "n****ized President" pnwmom Sep 2015 #3

No, his lines were different Scootaloo Sep 2015 #6

A couple of years ago a huge argument raged here on someone calling the President a piece of sh_t . brush Sep 2015 #78

Interesting that an entire career is so easily thrown away over a single phrase. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #81

Here's a link to refresh your memory brush Sep 2015 #82

Oh, thanks, I've read the links. It doesn't change either point I made. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #90

Would you care to LOOK AT THE LINK. How does on read a video? brush Sep 2015 #92

Apologies, I figured it was a link to the one Pnwmom gave me just below Scootaloo Sep 2015 #95

I'm not a Clinton supporter brush Sep 2015 #101

I decided to try the video in Internet Explorer Scootaloo Sep 2015 #113

Revealing isn't it? haikugal Sep 2015 #153

The group on the video are echoing long-standing feeling in the AA community brush Sep 2015 #178

It wasn't a single phrase or a single incident. Cornel West has repeated insults like this pnwmom Sep 2015 #83

Which nullifies his entire career? Scootaloo Sep 2015 #91

He's nullifying Obama's whole Presidency, reducing Obama to a caricature. pnwmom Sep 2015 #96

Really? Dr. West has nullified Obama's presidency? SUCH POWER! Scootaloo Sep 2015 #100

I haven't committed to any candidate, and I want each of them pnwmom Sep 2015 #111

Ah yes, funny how that works out. (cough) Scootaloo Sep 2015 #115

I think your "point" is an unfair attack on HRC that doesn't deserve a reply. pnwmom Sep 2015 #116

Of course you do. That's exactly my point Scootaloo Sep 2015 #117

You think it's fine for West to attack Obama's whole career but not for pnwmom Sep 2015 #120

I don't think West's words matter one whit. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #129

Apparently you have a habit, like Bush, of only reading the titles of documents pnwmom Sep 2015 #130

My intuition would have avoided a needless war, at least Scootaloo Sep 2015 #132

In the real world it would have accomplished nothing pnwmom Sep 2015 #151

I thought I was the president for your sneery little argument? Scootaloo Sep 2015 #156

This. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #122

Your rebuttals on this thread are brilliant. snagglepuss Sep 2015 #128

I learned long ago to try NOT to be on the receiving side of scootaloo's ire. Bonobo Sep 2015 #134

It's "he" actually Scootaloo Sep 2015 #157

Oh, sorry. Bonobo Sep 2015 #182

Scoot can burn the place down Aerows Sep 2015 #187

Are we talking about West and the potential loss of votes for Bernie . . . brush Sep 2015 #180

Read it and don't care. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #2

Maybe that crowd would look diverse to a Vermonter. Greensboro is 41% black. pnwmom Sep 2015 #4

Counting poc again? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #5

The constant eyeballing for 'race' is becoming chronic, & creepy isn't it. A race fixation clearly. appalachiablue Sep 2015 #14

I think so. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #15

One only needs to have memory of the 2008 primary campaign Scootaloo Sep 2015 #24

Yes all the 'hard-working white people' as one of our candidates stated for instance- appalachiablue Sep 2015 #27

The origins of birtherism... Scootaloo Sep 2015 #41

The many uglies some hypoctrites forget, including the infamous 'Not Good Enough Bernie' on race appalachiablue Sep 2015 #42

This is how the Clintons have run every election. They are old-old-school Democrats n./t arcane1 Sep 2015 #67

"Black" comes in a variety of shades, pwnmom Scootaloo Sep 2015 #7

Tell me, pnwmom... MrMickeysMom Sep 2015 #10

Hard to find black people in NYC, pnwmom? Bonobo Sep 2015 #12

It looks bigger than an of Hillary's Fawke Em Sep 2015 #17

Hillary isn't the one who's dealing with black voter approval in the low single digits. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #26

And you're just here to help Senator Sanders, right? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #32

What is the matter with you Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #21

I am trying very hard to not allow this type of thinking into my mind but ... slipslidingaway Sep 2015 #29

Like this post, murielm99 Sep 2015 #58

Do you even know why that post came about, it was a response to this post ... slipslidingaway Sep 2015 #73

If you want it to stop, murielm99 Sep 2015 #79

Sander's supporters are not posting pics and asking how many blacks are in the crowd ... slipslidingaway Sep 2015 #84

Sorry Muriel, but you need to understand something... Scootaloo Sep 2015 #118

this. LeftOfWest Sep 2015 #119

Word. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #121

Nonsense. murielm99 Sep 2015 #125

Not Good Enough Bernie beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #126

I'm sorry Muriel, but you're not allowed to re-write history. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #131

Damn Scootaloo, you're a kick ass pony! haikugal Sep 2015 #161

Were you appointed to Aerows Sep 2015 #188

This is fantastic, over 9,000 people came out on a Sunday night. But Bernie is doing this appalachiablue Sep 2015 #18

Cornel West and the Fight to Save the Black Prophetic Tradition Bonobo Sep 2015 #8

Kudos to your dedicated work in creating a racial divide. Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #9

Oh, right. I'm "creating a racial divide" though Cornel West has been hating on pnwmom Sep 2015 #31

Cornell West's introduction of Bernie was wonderful. virtualobserver Sep 2015 #46

Amen. That's the crux of it. Americans of all backgrounds across the county are appalachiablue Sep 2015 #149

Absolutely and totally dismissed by the hate mongers on this board. haikugal Sep 2015 #162

Vitriol� MrMickeysMom Sep 2015 #52

Calling Obama a bunch of racist tripe isn't doing the same thing?!!?! REALLY?! uponit7771 Sep 2015 #66

The hate for West is odd RobertEarl Sep 2015 #11

They see it only as an attack on Obama and miss the bigger picture. Bonobo Sep 2015 #13

They must hate John Conyers and Joe Madison, too. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #19

Conyers and Madison are terrific. Illinois Rep. Conyers and Bernie have worked on a jobs bill appalachiablue Sep 2015 #22

John Conyers is a Detroiter. nt Snotcicles Sep 2015 #44

He is a Michigan Rep., right. appalachiablue Sep 2015 #45

I would be willing to bet that neither one of those men dsc Sep 2015 #25

He doesn't get attacked for railing against oppression of black people. brush Sep 2015 #47

What about this? RobertEarl Sep 2015 #48

and who are they? kwassa Sep 2015 #55

Hacked by Davis and DOMA folk? RobertEarl Sep 2015 #56

Apparently you don't get it brush Sep 2015 #59

You have your opinions RobertEarl Sep 2015 #62

I don't have to do better brush Sep 2015 #74

Cornel West is actually a cool guy RobertEarl Sep 2015 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author Scootaloo Sep 2015 #133

no, it is simply showing a poor strategic choice by Bernie. kwassa Sep 2015 #61

See my reply above to brush? RobertEarl Sep 2015 #63

Oh great. They'll all vote for Ben Carson then. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #65

In protest! JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #159

So they're the 'wrong' black people then? haikugal Sep 2015 #164

"The Sanders campaign must not have researched this." Scootaloo Sep 2015 #135

What? Why didn't the campaign know of West's baggage? brush Sep 2015 #163

He's been railing against President Obama. That's what people are objecting to. pnwmom Sep 2015 #85

You get the award... MrMickeysMom Sep 2015 #16

You know what I'll betcha? Armstead Sep 2015 #20

I agree. So why hasn't Sanders linked up with one of those people instead of Cornel West? pnwmom Sep 2015 #33

I'm sure his campaign is working on it Armstead Sep 2015 #43

LOL stevil Sep 2015 #50

Speaking of linking up, this OP takes a swipe at West about the Inaugural at which Obama linked up Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #184

Why not link up with one that doesn't call black people racist tripe then?! Why link up with one ... uponit7771 Sep 2015 #68

Fer Chrissake, West isn't my cup of tea either but what the fuck does it matter? Armstead Sep 2015 #136

Bookmarked!! Why Doesn't it matter that we should associate with people who call others racist uponit7771 Sep 2015 #138

oooooo....bookmarked Armstead Sep 2015 #141

Yeah, someone asking why does it matter that people shouldn't call other people racist tripe... uponit7771 Sep 2015 #143

Is Jerimiah Wright a valid yardstick to judge President Obama? Armstead Sep 2015 #148

Did right spew racist hatred at people cause he didn't get a ticket to a seat he wanted?! false uponit7771 Sep 2015 #171

your 'why" is gossip virtualobserver Sep 2015 #154

No it's not, link inside "West says Obama ni66gerized the presidency" uponit7771 Sep 2015 #172

sure it is....you've reduced it all to your reaction that one term virtualobserver Sep 2015 #174

Ummm, no... there are many other hateful statements West has said about Obama... this is not just uponit7771 Sep 2015 #176

my point is that he has a right to judge Obama in a way that I don't.... virtualobserver Sep 2015 #177

Why? Well West is a democratic socialist, HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #23

Aren't there any black Democratic socialist leaders who wouldn't call the President pnwmom Sep 2015 #34

Curious, but do you have ANY idea what he even meant by the term? Bonobo Sep 2015 #35

He explained it. And that didn't make it okay, any more than the multitude pnwmom Sep 2015 #37

The thing is it was a description of a socio-cultural phenomena that goes WAY beyond the POTUS. Bonobo Sep 2015 #38

I added to the post while you were answering. pnwmom Sep 2015 #39

As a black person you know how two figures like Obama and West think about the matter? appalachiablue Sep 2015 #40

Do you get paid by the post or something... haikugal Sep 2015 #167

I don't accept humans being called any type of racist tripe, why should we!? uponit7771 Sep 2015 #69

Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.... nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #71

Dodging a questions regarding West racist tripe is what I see a lot of Sander supporters continue uponit7771 Sep 2015 #72

Perhaps West is to Bernie Sanders as Jerimiah Wright was to Obama HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #36

I almost started an OP with that precise thing in mind! You are on to something for sure. Bonobo Sep 2015 #49

It's Clinton Supporters going with the "Angry Black Man" canard. Again. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #51

Maybe. HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #53

Wright called black people petulant racist tripe!?!? Bad analogy uponit7771 Sep 2015 #70

No, because Wright wasn't throwing slurs at the sitting African American President. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #88

Wright got dumped in favor of evangelicals who threw slurs at the LGBT community. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #185

West earned my admiration when he got into a pissing contest with Larry Summers at Harvard tularetom Sep 2015 #28

I have never been impressed with Cornel West Gothmog Sep 2015 #30

I have always been impressed with Cornel West. Ron Green Sep 2015 #80

On which issues that West and Obama differ do you prefer Obama's stance? mhatrw Sep 2015 #54

good question. 840high Sep 2015 #57

So which issue would excuse all the name calling? In my mind, none. pnwmom Sep 2015 #64

This isn't about policy issues. It's about treating President Obama with the respect he deserves. pnwmom Sep 2015 #60

You did not answer the question. 840high Sep 2015 #75

Because it's irrelevant. I explained to you that NO policy issue could excuse pnwmom Sep 2015 #77

I like Cornel West and I like President Obama. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #94

Can't Bernie find many progressive black intellectual backers who haven't spent years pnwmom Sep 2015 #97

Why does Hillary Clinton want to share a stage with someone who said this about Gay Marriage? Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #104

This isn't about Hillary. Why do you support Bernie Sanders handicapping pnwmom Sep 2015 #105

I think Sanders' judgment has proven to be jussssst fine, so far. His numbers reflect that. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #107

His numbers with the AA community don't reflect that. Unless you like 3% support in S.C. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #108

I think he'll be just fine. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #110

He's doing much better than I ever thought he would. pnwmom Sep 2015 #112

That's how I feel about the almost indescribably lame campaign Hillary Clinton has been running. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #114

I agree. In short, pnwmom Sep 2015 #123

His numbers among people of color are abismal and after this they should stay that way uponit7771 Sep 2015 #140

Hey, you forgot to use the phrase "racist tripe" in this post. You're slipping. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2015 #150

West still voted to re-elect Obama jfern Sep 2015 #109

"This isn't about policy issues." Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #87

Do you think Ronald Reagan got elected because voters care primarily about policy issues? pnwmom Sep 2015 #89

Do you really want to risk the election by imagining that it is 1980 and not 2016? Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #93

This isn't about Hillary. I wouldn't care about Bernie shooting himself in the foot pnwmom Sep 2015 #98

I think you're overthinking things. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #102

Why do you think West is going to go away before the General? pnwmom Sep 2015 #106

A rock and a hard place as to dropping West now brush Sep 2015 #168

That doesn't make any sense. help me out here. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #124

If Biden comes in that will further reduce Hillary's support and could end up pnwmom Sep 2015 #127

Is Cornel West on a ballot, somewhere? Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #86

Funny to see them playing the role of the Repubs in the 2008 Jeremiah Wright scenario. Bonobo Sep 2015 #99

I remember a lot of things about that election cycle, not the least of which, how Hillary ran her Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #103

I think he's RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT according to some people here Armstead Sep 2015 #137

Sanders disconnect with PoC is & this shows it greatly, why associate with a person who calls other uponit7771 Sep 2015 #139

Cornel West on Bernie Sanders, Michael Eric Dyson, Trans Rights, and B.B. King | #GRITtv LWolf Sep 2015 #142

He makes some great points TheFarS1de Sep 2015 #144

He tends to LWolf Sep 2015 #145

I just find his analysis to be fairly sound TheFarS1de Sep 2015 #146

If only Obama hadn't sat him behind Aretha's hat Capt. Obvious Sep 2015 #147

The orchestrated talking points for smearing Bernie are transparent and pathetic RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #152

Why is every criticism a smear? Does Bernie have to be the only perfect politician ever? pnwmom Sep 2015 #155

Haha! You don't find calling Dr. West an "Obama hater" to be a smear?? RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #158

Do I think it's a smear to call him an Obama-hater when he's made his feelings pnwmom Sep 2015 #165

We could play semantics from now until the cows come home RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #169

Hopefully we do share one goal. pnwmom Sep 2015 #181

respect = love.. frylock Sep 2015 #189

So you are saying that 1strongblackman and others should have been banned? Jappleseed Sep 2015 #160

1StrongBlackMan would laugh in your face. He's never directed a slur at the President. pnwmom Sep 2015 #166

So it's not about content or verbage. Jappleseed Sep 2015 #170

1StrongBlackMan has never attacked people here by calling pnwmom Sep 2015 #179

I disagree with Obama on at least one issue. randome Sep 2015 #173

Dyson has his own bloviating to account for bigtree Sep 2015 #175

Dyson is something of a gasbag and all of this is faith community bicker and backstab crap. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #183

I'm just wondering when white people Aerows Sep 2015 #186