2016 Postmortem

Catherina

(35,568 posts)

53. +1 n/t

Reply to jtuck004 (Reply #51)

Mon Sep 14, 2015, 05:01 AM

Sep 2015

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

162 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

A simple question for Cornel West's legion detractors. [View all] mhatrw Sep 2015 OP

They are not going to say Kelvin Mace Sep 2015 #1

I thought they prefer emotion over intellect actually. n/t haikugal Sep 2015 #26

Obama is the President of the United States stevil Sep 2015 #2

So that's a..... daleanime Sep 2015 #4

Criticism is always welcome stevil Sep 2015 #7

So what would you call it when you can't tell the difference.... daleanime Sep 2015 #10

There is no question stevil Sep 2015 #12

The question was about positions.. haikugal Sep 2015 #30

No, that's senseless, isn't it? sibelian Sep 2015 #84

Discussing issues used to be what politics is all about. I listen to West sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #83

I would. People can clearly understand Sanders and West's differences and the one that offers the ancianita Sep 2015 #94

It's never about the issues jfern Sep 2015 #3

Never post a positive TheFarS1de Sep 2015 #5

Sanders supports the Drone Program JI7 Sep 2015 #6

Excellent analysis.... TheFarS1de Sep 2015 #8

That was just sad. sibelian Sep 2015 #86

The explanation is simple, too, and has already been given to you in the AA Group. scarletwoman Sep 2015 #9

No one is above reproach, and no one is so perfect that they can't be liberal_at_heart Sep 2015 #11

You didn't 'hear' a single thing I said. nt scarletwoman Sep 2015 #13

Referring to the president as a Republican in blackface isn't valid criticism mythology Sep 2015 #15

Obama has likened himself to Reagan before. As to the black face comment I am not liberal_at_heart Sep 2015 #17

But referring to a candidate as "a republican with his head between women's legs" is A-OK Scootaloo Sep 2015 #49

You should be criticizing him for pairing with West . . . brush Sep 2015 #40

I'm not going to criticize him because his decision may cost him votes. I'm so tired liberal_at_heart Sep 2015 #61

What? That's mindboggling! brush Sep 2015 #66

so..... grasswire Sep 2015 #14

You'll have to ask them. nt scarletwoman Sep 2015 #16

oh, sorry. You seemed to be speaking for them. grasswire Sep 2015 #19

I'm not speaking for them, I'm reporting what they have said on this matter. scarletwoman Sep 2015 #25

And yet, I keep hearing white folks here TM99 Sep 2015 #27

,..That^ 840high Sep 2015 #41

This! Thank you brother! Catherina Sep 2015 #50

I love the blackness from my father. TM99 Sep 2015 #68

/\_/\_Yep, this_/\_/\ Scuba Sep 2015 #54

I would speculate you are far from alone. 99Forever Sep 2015 #56

All I've done is relay what has been said by AAs on DU. scarletwoman Sep 2015 #57

Some spoke. Not all spoke. TM99 Sep 2015 #64

BBBRAAAVVVOOO nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #97

Please note that the OP was specifically addressed to DETRACTORS. scarletwoman Sep 2015 #99

You are speaking for others TM99 Sep 2015 #148

. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #76

Thank you,I fucking love Dr. West, too. Detractors of West = detractors of Sanders. ancianita Sep 2015 #95

I completely agree. TM99 Sep 2015 #153

Right? ancianita Sep 2015 #158

So it's just nepotism? mhatrw Sep 2015 #21

he is a politician and POTUS...not a hero or a beloved family member noiretextatique Sep 2015 #23

Yes, generalizing is always fraught. The OP asked a question, and I merely sought to supply scarletwoman Sep 2015 #29

fraught with hubris and sprinkled with racism reddread Sep 2015 #156

He is a hero to many, if not to you. Do you think it's a good idea to alienate all those people pnwmom Sep 2015 #38

THIS is what the niggerization of Obama means. Think about the GOP, and why West would say this. ancianita Sep 2015 #96

What I think about this isn't the point. What affect this will have pnwmom Sep 2015 #107

AA are not monolithic, we know, and the AA who you and I hear see West differently. ancianita Sep 2015 #109

You're got it backwards. Most African Americans strongly support Obama pnwmom Sep 2015 #111

"Obama connects to a class of Americans not occupied by a sizable number of AA..." Really? scarletwoman Sep 2015 #113

Of course not. But you may not even imply that they take your side against one of the greatest black ancianita Sep 2015 #117

Let's make it simple, okay? scarletwoman Sep 2015 #121

Me, too. But being detractors of either is a losing game. We have to win, right? ancianita Sep 2015 #124

I frankly think this is bullshit. kwassa Sep 2015 #129

Small, but important correction. It should be "Attica rebellion" not "Atticus rebellion" n/t RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #112

Absolutely correct. But my excerpt was a quote (without the [sic] notation), that's all. ancianita Sep 2015 #118

I must say... Old Crow Sep 2015 #37

Thank you for actually hearing what I said, it's greatly appreciated. scarletwoman Sep 2015 #58

Unconditional love for a political hero is a bad idea. Maedhros Sep 2015 #82

I'm merely reporting, I am not judging. scarletwoman Sep 2015 #106

I'm not a Democrat, so party loyalty isn't high on my list. Maedhros Sep 2015 #108

I wasn't speaking of party loyalty, I was speaking of loyalty to Obama. nt scarletwoman Sep 2015 #110

My apologies - I read "we ought to be humbly grateful for their loyalty" Maedhros Sep 2015 #119

But it's more than that. It's not just that black people love Obama. It's primarily that West's Number23 Sep 2015 #91

Thank you. His rage does seem misdirected, to me. scarletwoman Sep 2015 #104

Look at the people breaking their fingers trying to justify his use of the word "niggerization" Number23 Sep 2015 #105

Well, if that's who West wants to appeal to - although gawd knows why - he can have them. scarletwoman Sep 2015 #116

This is not some "new approach" of his. He's not "gone off the rails." What a narrow take. His whole ancianita Sep 2015 #123

You don't get to tell me what I know about black people, despite how much you've "read" in a book Number23 Sep 2015 #125

West is hyperbolic in his criticisms. His language is completely excessive. kwassa Sep 2015 #134

All these "critiques" of West are rage-filled, fact-free, and petty as hell. mhatrw Sep 2015 #126

And the "issues" have been explained in glorious technicolor which you have chosen to ignore Number23 Sep 2015 #135

LOL. "We" mhatrw Sep 2015 #137

Maybe it's the Royal We? MoveIt Sep 2015 #140

coronation pending mhatrw Sep 2015 #142

Holy Mother! sheshe2 Sep 2015 #152

I've been doing my level best to get an understanding of what's going on here GitRDun Sep 2015 #18

West IS very much in the spotlight. grasswire Sep 2015 #20

I know he's in the spotlight, I said that. GitRDun Sep 2015 #24

Sanders did not say Obama abandoned liberals. He jwirr Sep 2015 #90

This is not a true statement GitRDun Sep 2015 #93

All through his campaign President Obama talked about jwirr Sep 2015 #102

You sure are right, we all get screwed in the negotiations GitRDun Sep 2015 #103

What we need is the asses of the masses in the streets. mhatrw Sep 2015 #128

That's just bull GitRDun Sep 2015 #132

I never said Sanders would get 60 in the Senate. mhatrw Sep 2015 #136

Wishful thinking GitRDun Sep 2015 #141

60 in the Senate is what they want. mhatrw Sep 2015 #143

Like I said, wishful thinking... GitRDun Sep 2015 #144

OK, I guess there is no sense in trying then. mhatrw Sep 2015 #145

just no way to gitrdone reddread Sep 2015 #159

+1,000 Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #162

Exactly when did Obama ever ask people to protest in the streets? mhatrw Sep 2015 #127

Lol GitRDun Sep 2015 #146

Rich people don't care who you call or how you vote. mhatrw Sep 2015 #147

You can't ignore personality mythology Sep 2015 #22

right on. nt dionysus Sep 2015 #28

West is a truth-teller. He's an important voice; not trying to get elected. Ron Green Sep 2015 #32

Thanks for the summary. Yes, Obama has accomplished a great deal in the face of great obstacles. pnwmom Sep 2015 #35

My problem with Cornel West is not his politics. My problem underthematrix Sep 2015 #31

You nailed it JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #155

I can't put aside his nastiness toward President Obama. pnwmom Sep 2015 #33

But you casually put aside the nastiness toward LGBT out of Francis, also out of Obama's campaign Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #89

I DO put his words aside. They were not spoken with hate or nastiness. Your claim doesn't make it so ancianita Sep 2015 #101

Well we've reached an interesting point RandySF Sep 2015 #34

+1000. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #36

Well we've reached an interesting point mhatrw Sep 2015 #39

I asked that in another 840high Sep 2015 #42

If you'll look at post #9, and re-read it with an open mind... Old Crow Sep 2015 #43

Try this. brush Sep 2015 #46

How about as human beings? RandySF Sep 2015 #47

Yes. Also, how are we supposed to know what Cornel West's legion detractors think? betsuni Sep 2015 #45

It's a very good question. I suspect cults of personality only really consider personality. Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #44

indeed mhatrw Sep 2015 #48

Great song. Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #65

As to the quality of West's critics, others among them include the fella who was president of jtuck004 Sep 2015 #51

+1 n/t Catherina Sep 2015 #53

Scores of responses about propriety & personality clashes. mhatrw Sep 2015 #52

You noticed that too, eh? Scuba Sep 2015 #55

Because MoveIt Sep 2015 #62

Beeeeecauuuuse.... they can't read? sibelian Sep 2015 #85

Scores of responses and you haven't read a word of them. Perhaps the ISSUE is the nature of Number23 Sep 2015 #92

It doesn't meet my approval because it's more bullshit personality politics. mhatrw Sep 2015 #130

I have never said that or have even implied it. Number23 Sep 2015 #138

Because you are afraid to list off the issues mhatrw Sep 2015 #139

You refuse to consider the answers you've been given because they don't conform to YOUR framing. scarletwoman Sep 2015 #100

Yeah, it's my framing. This is politics, not celebrity news. mhatrw Sep 2015 #131

I don't care for people who call other humans racist names no matter who they are and to do such uponit7771 Sep 2015 #59

Obama is an intellectual hero to many and a proven leader. SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #60

So, are you saying then that you support Kelvin Mace Sep 2015 #63

Yes. That is exactly what I said. nt. SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #67

Gotcha Kelvin Mace Sep 2015 #70

Exactly. nt. SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #71

That's so strange ..... I've never seen anyone actually admit so confidently polly7 Sep 2015 #72

Well, you just have me pegged. lol. nt. SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #73

Huh? polly7 Sep 2015 #74

100% nt. SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #75

Yay drones, yay corruption! polly7 Sep 2015 #77

Yes!!!! Two hundred percent now. You got me!!!!!! lol. nt. SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #79

No ........... YOU got you. I just stated how odd it was to see. nt. polly7 Sep 2015 #80

"I hate Cornel West for exercising his First Amendment rights!" mhatrw Sep 2015 #69

No one hates you. I doubt anyone hates West. randome Sep 2015 #81

I think West just wanted to let folks know that it was OK for POC mhatrw Sep 2015 #87

Maybe not the best campaign ally HassleCat Sep 2015 #78

It used to be too outrageous to speak the truth. mhatrw Sep 2015 #88

He is also the intellectual hero for a lot of African American folks and other PoC as well nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #98

Yes, he was the first AA student to graduate from Princeton with a Ph.D in philosophy RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #114

Yup, and he is still having a hard time catching a cab in NYC nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #115

I'm going to finally say this: those who say AAs in the South hate West are full of SHIT. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #120

Honest question gets you an honest answer Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #122

How is it unfair? mhatrw Sep 2015 #133

Because what a "philosopher" or an "activist" does Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #150

Nice post. mhatrw Sep 2015 #151

But activists play an important part in democracy Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #154

Well done. Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #149

I'm one of the West bashers and Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #157

yeah. faith has been a real stumbling block. MLK jr reddread Sep 2015 #160

I was raised in a black church Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #161