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164. That's all well and good. West is a brilliant man but . . .

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:01 PM

Sep 2015

he comes with the baggage of being an Obama hater.

All I am saying is, since no Dem candidate can win without the Obama coalition votes, in the
primaries or the general, what sense does it make to partner with someone who is despised by
a big part of the Obama coalition?

Wooing black votes is the issue not whether West is brilliant or a socialist who talks of
economic equality like Bernie. He's despised in the black community and him being associated
with the Sanders campaign could very well turn off the very voters Bernie needs to win.

I feel the pairing with West was not vetted well. If proper research had been done his unpopularity in the AA community would have been uncovered.

I chalk up this misstep as an "unforced error" by the Sanders campaign, just as using a private email server is an "unforced error" by Hillary Clinton.

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Can't the Cornel West apologists admit that his use of the word "n***ized" [View all] pnwmom Sep 2015 OP

You seem really intent on telling a black man to watch his mouth and know his place Scootaloo Sep 2015 #1

I'm talking to mostly white Bernie supporters who think it's fine that this guy pnwmom Sep 2015 #9

And I'm talking to white clinton supporters who think they have the right Scootaloo Sep 2015 #30

Sweet!! Bonobo Sep 2015 #35

No one has told West ... NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #98

Many great points in this post brush Sep 2015 #112

You cited a homophobic misogynist who called West a pimp and a hustler, Brush Scootaloo Sep 2015 #114

That is EXACTLY what is being said, Nance Scootaloo Sep 2015 #113

I said nothing ... NanceGreggs Sep 2015 #127

'ain't my monkey, ain't my circus' LeftOfWest Sep 2015 #133

Right??? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #152

When I saw a thread with "apologist" in the title Capt. Obvious Sep 2015 #166

Cause we all know ALL and I mean this, ALL African Americans speak with absolutely ONE VOICE... err nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #184

+a zillion 840high Sep 2015 #132

+ a brazillion beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #153

Oh, yeah! Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #170

I'm glad we have you to tell us who the "wrong" black people are. n/t arcane1 Sep 2015 #55

Cornel can and does say whatever he wants. But Bernie has wrapped his arms underthematrix Sep 2015 #12

Like Jeremiah Wright!! As Hillary said: "You choose your own preachers!" Bonobo Sep 2015 #28

Jeremiah Wright is a bi-racial pastor a former marine, who said GOD DAMN AMERICA underthematrix Sep 2015 #75

You can throw the mic JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #150

I've heard this argument before. Jeremiah Wright. Donnie McClurkin. Bill Ayers. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #46

Yep. bvf Sep 2015 #107

glad to see you like McClurkin dsc Sep 2015 #154

I don't like McClurkin at all Scootaloo Sep 2015 #156

Obama sure is guilty for what MeClurkin said at an event that Obama dsc Sep 2015 #160

Alright. I get you there. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #162

I'm a black man who is a (mild) supporter of President Obama in spite of his flaws Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #82

That does not appear to resemble what West has said Scootaloo Sep 2015 #106

Are you claiming that what West has said is not what "Clinton supporters allege? brush Sep 2015 #116

it is not what Chitown Kev alleged. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #122

Please post a link to where someone except you said . . . brush Sep 2015 #126

I know this game, Brush Scootaloo Sep 2015 #129

So you're saying West's characterizations of the President are OK? brush Sep 2015 #130

I very honestly don't have an opinion of what West has said. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #135

If I wanted to call Dr. West "uppity" Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #131

See my reply to brush, #135 Scootaloo Sep 2015 #139

Well, then, debate me. TM99 Sep 2015 #149

The overwhelming majoriy of AA's dislike the language the Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #159

Some black blogs and some black radio. TM99 Sep 2015 #161

I think both West and the women from the Seattle event mythology Sep 2015 #173

Not this shit again. STOP. 840high Sep 2015 #134

Beg pardon? Scootaloo Sep 2015 #137

sorry - this message was 840high Sep 2015 #172

Saying BLM deserves a voice while demanding Cornel not have one is not a logical position. Bonobo Sep 2015 #2

BLM wasn't using slurs against anyone. If they had called Bernie a comparable name pnwmom Sep 2015 #11

BLMs message that America is a White Supremacist nation is exactly what Cornel is talking about. Bonobo Sep 2015 #17

Did you like it when some people were calling Bernie a white supremacist? pnwmom Sep 2015 #77

"Like" has nothing to do with it. Bonobo Sep 2015 #84

He used a form of the N word. That was his choice. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #87

You should stay out of the internal dialog between black people since you don't get the context. Bonobo Sep 2015 #90

BLM called Sanders a "white supremacist liberal." That's pretty slurry as far as slurs go AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #24

Oh, the irony! When Cornel used the phrase "White supremacy" in his intro speech to Sanders... Bonobo Sep 2015 #32

Exactly. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #73

And didn't you object to that? n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #79

Point is you didn't object. Cornel used identical phrasing AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #83

Ouch! nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #91

Now that's laughable AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #72

white supremacist is not a slur? noiretextatique Sep 2015 #97

Bernie's supporters weren't shocked and angry? nt pnwmom Sep 2015 #180

They called his supporters white supremacists. What would you consider a slur? Doctor_J Sep 2015 #178

How do you think Bernie's supporters reacted? Weren't they angry? pnwmom Sep 2015 #181

Particularly odd since Cornel West is a BLM activist. People say we need to listen to BLM activists Chathamization Sep 2015 #57

Boom goes the dynamite, I guess is what some would say. nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #64

The answers I've seen have ranged from straight deflection to intimating it's ok because he black uponit7771 Sep 2015 #3

No RandySF Sep 2015 #4

I don't want a scholar's words to need to pass some half-wit Republican muster. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #5

He wasn't speaking as a scholar. He was speaking as an attention-seeking blowhard pnwmom Sep 2015 #13

See post 5. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #16

Not cool. He's a fellow Democrat and Socialist. Your hyperbolicity is getting tiresome. ancianita Sep 2015 #33

He uses racially-based hate words against the first African American President. I don't care what party he is; pnwmom Sep 2015 #40

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #43

Touch�! RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #65

This theory has no basis in reality whatsoever.. frylock Sep 2015 #48

Ignoring the context of the message? Barky Bark Sep 2015 #6

The context doesn't take the ugliness out of the slur. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #22

The context IS the ugliness that produced the words, which Obama understands and you don't. ancianita Sep 2015 #37

Where is your evidence that Obama would excuse West's personal, racially based attacks? pnwmom Sep 2015 #47

I posted a video of him saying he loved West on another thread. You provide evidence that Obama ancianita Sep 2015 #56

I would argue further that West does not need to be excused by Obama. Iris Sep 2015 #142

You are misidentifying what is ugly. Ugly is to not use one's position of power to help Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #86

And that's the point. Bernie doesn't get it. underthematrix Sep 2015 #7

'Let BLM speak!!!" Tell Cornel to shut his racist mouth!!" Bonobo Sep 2015 #8

this has nothing to do with Cornel West. This is underthematrix Sep 2015 #14

Erm, what? nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #19

Keep moving. NOthing to see here underthematrix Sep 2015 #23

I simply did not understand what your last message meant. That's all. nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #25

well read my other posts here. I have said the same thing at least three times. underthematrix Sep 2015 #34

Makes no damn sense. This OP is about Cornel. Bonobo Sep 2015 #38

Look this is not about making Bernie bad. I don't do that kind of crazy childish shit. underthematrix Sep 2015 #54

OK, that's your opinion. Mine is different. Bonobo Sep 2015 #60

And I respect that. underthematrix Sep 2015 #63

People are now criticizing Bernie Sanders through his choice of having Cornel West introduce him. ancianita Sep 2015 #45

But the damned irony of it? How can they stand it? Bonobo Sep 2015 #52

With you. Although I admit I haven't thought of the inconsistency of it. ancianita Sep 2015 #71

yes, see my sig grasswire Sep 2015 #118

Frederick Douglass? Bonobo Sep 2015 #119

That's how your worldview operates. No I'm not voting for Bernie in the primary but underthematrix Sep 2015 #69

You forgot "too humble". nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #70

My fierceness is real. Humility is not required underthematrix Sep 2015 #78

"ferocity" is the preferred term for highly educated people such as ourselves. nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #81

You had me laughing on that one. Then I noticed your sig line. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #110

A famous character by Eugene Levy as well. nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #111

I'm a Democrat and will vote the way you do. If Cornel were running I'd still vote for him, because ancianita Sep 2015 #74

Yep you vote the DEM ticket no matter what underthematrix Sep 2015 #80

Just wait 'til Bernie gets "swiftboated" with video clips . . . brush Sep 2015 #96

GOP ads that pit black against black? Kind of Willy Horton-y, eh? They'll come off as more racist ancianita Sep 2015 #105

You really don't know how despised West is in the AA community do you? brush Sep 2015 #108

Maybe the AA community you know, but not the one I know. You think you got your hand on the ancianita Sep 2015 #109

The Sanders campaign picked the wrong guy to be a surrogate brush Sep 2015 #121

You act like you and you alone TM99 Sep 2015 #125

You are part of the problem. You assume because I criticized . . . brush Sep 2015 #128

Well, given how insufferable we Sanders supporters TM99 Sep 2015 #136

Say what you want about Obama but he accomplished . . . brush Sep 2015 #145

We are going to disagree TM99 Sep 2015 #148

That's all well and good. West is a brilliant man but . . . brush Sep 2015 #164

Your last sentence I definitely disagree with. TM99 Sep 2015 #165

Clinton's advisors do not serve her well. LeftOfWest Sep 2015 #138

Are they going on tour together? artislife Sep 2015 #120

We're already well aware of just how low other campaigns can stoop. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #143

"This has nothing to do with Cornell West" Scootaloo Sep 2015 #140

Tell Cornel to stop slinging ugly, personal slurs at Obama. How about that? pnwmom Sep 2015 #18

He is describing a very relevant phenomena, albiet in an inflammatory way. Bonobo Sep 2015 #21

Why cornel on check? He can say what he wants. The candidate underthematrix Sep 2015 #29

Exactly. No one would care what West says EXCEPT that Bernie has aligned with him. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #51

Well Bernie did align with him for a purpose. He's Bernie's guy. underthematrix Sep 2015 #58

And there it is. Thank you for your honesty, Pnwmom Scootaloo Sep 2015 #146

Yeah. Obama should have run away from Rev. Wright sooner. (An Obama move, by the way, Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #67

How about you give it up already. It was YEARS AGO. He's explained himself. Bernie and Obama get it ancianita Sep 2015 #49

Do you have evidence that Obama is fine with the continuing name calling? n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #53

Here: eight years of GOP namecalling. You think any criticism of a "brother" would faze him? ancianita Sep 2015 #59

This is about Obama's coalition, specifically the AA part. underthematrix Sep 2015 #94

So does Cornel, which is why he felt free to call out the president to live up to the struggle. I ancianita Sep 2015 #99

I don't get it because I don't agree with you? President Obama is not underthematrix Sep 2015 #61

Well, that IS the running standard for "not getting it" around these parts Scootaloo Sep 2015 #141

Ahhh. . . it wasn't just years ago brush Sep 2015 #147

+1000. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #15

Gift to right wing haters and bigots? Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #10

is Dr. Cornel West white ? Truprogressive85 Sep 2015 #20

I don't think it's any more acceptable for West to call Obama that pnwmom Sep 2015 #31

wait ? Truprogressive85 Sep 2015 #41

No, you said that. I said he used racially based slurs against the President. pnwmom Sep 2015 #50

You are telling a black scholar and activist to tone down his rhetoric, we get it. nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #44

Cornel West apologists? frylock Sep 2015 #26

You have a problem with the dictionary definition of the word? pnwmom Sep 2015 #68

I think we, at least I, am not apologizing for anything he said. He's a smart man. He can say what Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #92

That's not what the word apologist means. I gave the dictionary definition. pnwmom Sep 2015 #103

Thanks for the education. Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #104

You're welcome. pnwmom Sep 2015 #123

Cornel West apologists it is, then. frylock Sep 2015 #95

Nope. Not a gift. Pretty sure that if/when Bernie Sanders is nominated, and the GOP brings up ancianita Sep 2015 #27

Most likely repug PACs will run 24/7 ads "swiftboating" Sanders with . . . brush Sep 2015 #101

Should we all live our lives in fear of what rightwing haters and bigots think? arcane1 Sep 2015 #36

Same reason why people riot and burn down a CVS in Baltimore. Why burn down your own neighborhood? Cheese Sandwich Sep 2015 #39

We've spent decades, politically, fretting over what the Republicans would make of our actions and Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #42

Racists and Bigots in both the republican Party and azmom Sep 2015 #62

Thank you. Any other AA leader who isn't picture perfect would get the same harsh treatment. ancianita Sep 2015 #76

you lost me at 'gift to rightwing haters and bigots' AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #66

If you agree with West on every issue he differs from Obama on, then what is all the bile about? mhatrw Sep 2015 #85

How do you know Obama would defend the use of the word "n***ized" against anyone? n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #88

you crazy! mhatrw Sep 2015 #89

You do realize that "***" is really quite childish and doesn't change the meaning of the word? You Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #100

I'm not misquoting him, as you could find out with a simple google search. pnwmom Sep 2015 #102

no eom noiretextatique Sep 2015 #93

I was told I oughtent whitesplain to black activists JackInGreen Sep 2015 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author mhatrw Sep 2015 #117

I didn't like that turn of phrase... ljm2002 Sep 2015 #124

Is this your new hobby? Besides counting black faces in crowds I mean. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #144

"I don't understand the question." Capt. Obvious Sep 2015 #167

: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #169

He used the word not me. Jappleseed Sep 2015 #151

I would not hold my breath on this Gothmog Sep 2015 #155

Are you not a white, straight person who promotes religious clergy who call LGBT rights Satan's idea Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #157

Is there any evidence that RWers used West's words as you suggest? aikoaiko Sep 2015 #158

We need to hand out Approved Minorities badges Prism Sep 2015 #163

. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #168

I'd actually rather you read as many of them as you can. Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #174

I never pick and choose Prism Sep 2015 #175

Then we have something in common :) Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #179

I like "old" Cornel West Prism Sep 2015 #182

Yeah, after "Race Matters" Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #183

Nope .. unfortunately.. some agree with with Cornel West.. Peacetrain Sep 2015 #171

Why should I apologize for Dr West? HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #176

I haven't seen any apologies for prof west Doctor_J Sep 2015 #177

I am white and it is NOT my word to use or comment upon. hifiguy Sep 2015 #185