2016 Postmortem

Avalux

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55. We have the $$ to do it, just need to get our priorities straight.

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 02:59 PM

Sep 2015

The fear of scarcity that the GOP and others promote is a fallacy. There's more than enough, if those at the high end pay into the system just like the rest of us. I'm going to parrot Bernie now - in a powerful wealthy country such as ours, it's morally wrong that millions and millions of us don't have access to medical care/treatment when we need it, regardless of whether or not we can afford.

So the question is - how do we get these selfish money hoarders to pay? That's up to us; one person can't do it himself/herself. With enough support from the populace, anything is possible though.

We are faced with two choices for our future. Either continue the status quo until we fall, or change now. I am choosing to change now and I hope that enough of us get involved in grassroots efforts and do the same to bring about real government overhaul from the bottom up. Peaceful revolution if you will.

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Umm... Report: Bernie wants $18 Trillion in new spending. [View all] SonderWoman Sep 2015 OP

RW talking points now? HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #1

The weathervane is pointing right. Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #3

LOL Fawke Em Sep 2015 #9

I love that gif. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #13

Exactly. This, and the Chavez smear all on the same day. arcane1 Sep 2015 #10

So you're confident we can run up $36 Trillion... SonderWoman Sep 2015 #84

Not if we have the 1% pay their taxes properly like we did before Reaganism set in! cascadiance Sep 2015 #133

You are getting distorted numbers and running with them passiveporcupine Sep 2015 #175

I'm not the one who will have to explain the math to citizens. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #8

The only people buying this shit are the Faux News folks Fawke Em Sep 2015 #14

Yeah, but you seem to having no problem misleading them. Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #16

That's good, because it's already been done - and in a graphic. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #20

Where did you get that? Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #36

Labor for Bernie, but, hang on. I'll see where they got it. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #46

Thanks.... daleanime Sep 2015 #82

Good. I hope citizens do like graphics because... SonderWoman Sep 2015 #65

Only for the mathematically challenged shawn703 Sep 2015 #143

This deserves a thread Cheese Sandwich Sep 2015 #113

the switch to 'Medicare for all' + end of 'corporate welfare' pays for his entire budget plus magical thyme Sep 2015 #131

So according to this graph RoccoR5955 Sep 2015 #179

Sad, ain't it? hifiguy Sep 2015 #42

"Wall Street Journal�s Scary Bernie Sanders Price Tag Ignores Health Savings" Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #2

Here's another. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #6

Excellent. Thanks. Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #18

Thanks to you and Luminous Animal for the links. bvf Sep 2015 #62

"Festering problems" are as good thing now? That explains supporting the status quo. arcane1 Sep 2015 #4

LOL !!! WillyT Sep 2015 #5

Good luck in selling that price tag Gothmog Sep 2015 #7

Yup. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #17

It is less than what we currently spend on healthcare. Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #19

Apparently, that poster doesn't know about all the savings, either. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #22

Yeah because the govt is excellent at running things.... SonderWoman Sep 2015 #24

Oh you don't like the government running things? ibegurpard Sep 2015 #30

OKay....You just hit the Hannity button there Armstead Sep 2015 #31

Bingo! HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #44

You guys say the most ridiculous things. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #61

No. It's not. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #66

That would conflict with her agenda LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #69

So your "debunking" relies on a magic wand? SonderWoman Sep 2015 #71

Maths and magic aren't the same thing. sibelian Sep 2015 #180

Much easier not to, probably. n/t bvf Sep 2015 #74

Well, her source is Hannity's partner in crime Z_California Sep 2015 #139

You're contorting yourself into spouting right-wing talking points. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2015 #38

Again n/t arcane1 Sep 2015 #59

Implying the government is bad at running things is RW poppycock cyberswede Sep 2015 #39

I stated Republicans, read my full post. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #68

So we need to insulate ourselves from republicans Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #135

Private health insurance companies... ljm2002 Sep 2015 #147

I know exactly what you are. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #54

You are not very good at this sort of thing LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #64

I'm not the one who will have to explain the math to citizens. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #72

No, you are the one that will parrot rightwing nonsense like "the government isn't very good LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #76

I never said taxes are bad.... SonderWoman Sep 2015 #78

That's good... ljm2002 Sep 2015 #148

Good thing, too. You clearly don't understand it yourself. sibelian Sep 2015 #181

They've done a damn fine job with Medicare. in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Sep 2015 #145

So you are happy that we currently pay twice as much for mhatrw Sep 2015 #152

Um...Math: It's Hard, Isn't It? LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #29

3% of the population makes over $200k year... SonderWoman Sep 2015 #81

No, no it is not new spending. There are several links in this thread that you could read that show LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #85

So why not use those "savings" to pay off debt? SonderWoman Sep 2015 #94

I'd love to pay off the debt. You know the last we ran a surplus? After taxes were raised by LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #108

his top line creates 36T total in savings and increased revenue. magical thyme Sep 2015 #134

You realize national debt is not household debt, right? Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #138

So you are an anti-tax, balanced budget, anti-government "democrat"? Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #164

400 people in 2011 held more of the country's wealth than Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #141

I always think it funny that they don't upaloopa Sep 2015 #40

Who is "they?" cyberswede Sep 2015 #52

the "takers" ibegurpard Sep 2015 #70

many Europeans do in fact pay higher taxes RussBLib Sep 2015 #73

That's exactly my point. Thank you. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #77

Many people don't need government programs upaloopa Sep 2015 #196

Not my problem. Let them explain it to the American people. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #75

"Other countries" pay waaaaaaay less taxes than we do in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #83

Which countries? Other countries also have 1/5 of our population. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #88

In Australia it's higher, which is how they afford single payer, college for all and new babies. ancianita Sep 2015 #119

Ok which ones? upaloopa Sep 2015 #197

I think there are other parties more suited to your stated tastes. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #185

What are you talking about? upaloopa Sep 2015 #198

What? You don't agree with having your taxes raised to pay for your neighbor kid's tuition? leftofcool Sep 2015 #200

...over 10 years.....we spend about $3 Trillion a year on health care alone now.... virtualobserver Sep 2015 #11

Bwahaha.... 99Forever Sep 2015 #12

Gods forbid we spend money to help Americans. bunnies Sep 2015 #15

Where would the money come from? Answer ... left-of-center2012 Sep 2015 #21

That's a lot of govt taxation. Up to him to sell it. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #28

We want the top 0.1% to pay their fair share. Do you? mhatrw Sep 2015 #155

Taking care of the American people isn't cheap. Vinca Sep 2015 #23

OMG...Sanders is against Supply Side Economics. He disagrees with Reagan! Armstead Sep 2015 #25

Umm... no he doesn't. He wants to spend what we already spend more wisely. Autumn Sep 2015 #26

The site is called Liberaland. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #32

I though you found many Bernie "fans" tactics odious? Yet, here you are, pushing the right wing's Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #34

It's not a rw tactic to post an... SonderWoman Sep 2015 #37

So the name of the site imparts credibility? bvf Sep 2015 #93

Alan Colmes is/was Sean Hannity's whipping boy. Barky Bark Sep 2015 #183

Then if you are sure of that link my recs please. Autumn Sep 2015 #43

And Alan Colmes builds this piece entirely off of... Capt. Obvious Sep 2015 #50

ummm...you don't lowball your initial offers ibegurpard Sep 2015 #27

I'm all for spending money to create jobs. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #35

He did in your link Go Vols Sep 2015 #47

Ummm.....Bernie will deal with correcting that. But thanks for your concern! djean111 Sep 2015 #33

RW Talking Points. TDale313 Sep 2015 #41

So how do Bernie's programs get paid for? upaloopa Sep 2015 #48

he will take to the bully pulpit, demand it redstateblues Sep 2015 #87

Ok too bad President Obama didn't get a magic wand upaloopa Sep 2015 #127

Well, let's just look at the single-payer part. jeff47 Sep 2015 #146

I asked how does it get done not what is it. upaloopa Sep 2015 #159

By asking why are we wasting $27T. Over and over again. jeff47 Sep 2015 #165

Progressives will be riding Bernie's coattails Barky Bark Sep 2015 #184

Unless we're unbelievably stupid, health care costs should drop MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #45

The last time I saw anyone spin like this hifiguy Sep 2015 #49

Umm...to spend HERE. Instead of starting new wars. Why the NERVE of that man!!! beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #51

Unbelievable, isn't it? deutsey Sep 2015 #91

Well the op also posted a video of a Republican calling Bernie a pedophile supporter. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #95

Disgusting deutsey Sep 2015 #97

Yep, 5 members of the jury got it right. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #107

85% of DU are for Bernie. Stop pretending it's science. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #117

Your post was hidden because you brought an old right wing smear about a Dem candidate to DU. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #118

No, that hide was the result of unprovoked alert stalking Capt. Obvious Sep 2015 #122

The Bernlerters are everywhere! beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #123

Them and Big Rec Capt. Obvious Sep 2015 #124

And I have PRooF that admin doesn't care: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #126

This message was self-deleted by its author TheFarS1de Sep 2015 #168

Capt. Obvious was being facetious. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #169

Apologies Captain TheFarS1de Sep 2015 #191

A channel 4 nbc news report from Vermont. The horror! SonderWoman Sep 2015 #102

Why not ask the Republican in the video you posted? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #106

OMG - that says everything. in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #192

Yep. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #193

More insults from the 'still got nothing' crowd. As usual. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #96

You expect polite discourse when all you've got are right wing talking points? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #110

Bernie has said he will REDUCE the use of drones and be more selective in their use LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #173

Another chamber pot is emptied onto the cobblestone streets of DU whatchamacallit Sep 2015 #53

We have the $$ to do it, just need to get our priorities straight. Avalux Sep 2015 #55

... Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2015 #56

You get it from the MILITARY that runs the U.S. global garrison war economy. Stop affording THAT ancianita Sep 2015 #57

+1 uponit7771 Sep 2015 #90

Any day now: SonderWoman Sep 2015 #105

That's not the costly part of the military; spending to protect global corporate activity is. ancianita Sep 2015 #116

What a bullshit, hack job. Wall Street Urinal. Darb Sep 2015 #58

this was just on fox news restorefreedom Sep 2015 #60

This is just the beginning, but I think Bernie will be well prepared Broward Sep 2015 #63

Wow!! bvf Sep 2015 #67

Yes, he does want new spending.... daleanime Sep 2015 #79

It's the free ice cream and pony campaign. What's not to like. nt. SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #86

Nice Republican talking point. They used that on Obama too. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #92

Republ talking point. lol. SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #99

So is Hillary's email non- scandal that keeps showing up here saturnsring Sep 2015 #132

"LIBRULZ JUST WANTS FREE STUFF" is a right wing talking point. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #136

Not my problem. Let them explain it to the American people. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #100

Just because you can't understand his plan doesn't mean the rest of America won't. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #104

Oh I understand it. Good luck selling it the American people. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #112

Then explain it to me so I can sell it. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #114

Your sales putch seems to start with "Those awful communistic LIBERALS..." Armstead Sep 2015 #156

you forgot unicorns... ibegurpard Sep 2015 #109

And 'messiah'. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #115

No,no,no....It's the ice cream and unicorn campaign. Armstead Sep 2015 #154

Don't forget about the welfare queens. frylock Sep 2015 #187

According to WSJ... Come on people uponit7771 Sep 2015 #89

^^^^^^^^^^^...the print version of Fox pulls a figure out of Murdock's ass and calls it "research". Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #161

... in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #98

So you're admitting that $0 will go to debt reduction. SonderWoman Sep 2015 #101

That graph shows that Sanders plan will cut spending $18T. ieoeja Sep 2015 #149

Add up the savings: ~$37T jeff47 Sep 2015 #151

huh? why debt reduction? Roy Ellefson Sep 2015 #172

Especially since the "debt" is mostly traded in the bond market. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #190

Ah, let's just allow all those problems to continue festering deutsey Sep 2015 #103

THIS IS HUGH11111!!!! CALL CONGRESS RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!111!!11 Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #111

this is great news! tbtb are wetting themselves restorefreedom Sep 2015 #120

Bernie already discussed this today. bobbobbins01 Sep 2015 #121

If you want austerity you can vote republican Doctor_J Sep 2015 #125

Simple and true PATRICK Sep 2015 #130

That's kind of low to me. azmom Sep 2015 #128

Well at least they aren't crying about PATRICK Sep 2015 #129

I really want to "Ignore" the RW HRC shills here Z_California Sep 2015 #137

Oh, cmon... HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #140

And Hillary supporters complain about right-wing lies jfern Sep 2015 #142

To be fair, that's 18 trillion before taxes and monies we would have paid for insurance premiums Hoyt Sep 2015 #144

On just the healthcare part jeff47 Sep 2015 #153

How are you going to cut it to $15T with the current Congress? Don't believe it. Hoyt Sep 2015 #157

So we should spend $27T more because we're afraid of upsetting Republicans? jeff47 Sep 2015 #158

I like Sanders'positions on a lot of things, but I'm convinced he can't make them happen. Hoyt Sep 2015 #160

And which position is so out of the mainstream? jeff47 Sep 2015 #166

But Congress does not support single payer. The opposition, though wrong, Hoyt Sep 2015 #174

So what? jeff47 Sep 2015 #176

Well, giving the Prez to the GOP won't help. Hoyt Sep 2015 #177

Yes, so crushing turnout by turning off those thousands showing up at Sanders rallies jeff47 Sep 2015 #178

So tell me, which things will Hillary make happen? LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #171

"Lies My Hedge Fund Manager Told Me" n/t mhatrw Sep 2015 #150

Umm, jkbRN Sep 2015 #162

it's spelled alan colmes: it has to be lower-case MisterP Sep 2015 #188

This has been demolished. hifiguy Sep 2015 #163

Whereas Hillary's "more muscular foreign policy" will be cheap, right? Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #167

Here's the problem: in this thread alone you've spouted anti-tax rhetoric, said the government is LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #170

She posted stuff about Bernie being silent partner of the MIC. sibelian Sep 2015 #182

As well as a Republican smear ad claiming Bernie protects pedophiles LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #194

Tombstoning's a very erratic process as far as I can see. sibelian Sep 2015 #199

she's a Fox news/Hate Radio republican Doctor_J Sep 2015 #186

so how do you account for trillions being spent on futile wars Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #189

Alan Colmes MoveIt Sep 2015 #195

Over 200 replies, and 4 recs arcane1 Sep 2015 #201