2016 Postmortem

kwassa

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64. No, your statement is untrue.

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 04:24 PM

Sep 2015

What people have been saying that Bernie started out his campaign very tone-deaf to the concerns of black people.

He did that. I heard him do that, and so did many others.

He has changed his approach, which is great, but many here on DU insist it never happened. Your characterization of the arguments on DU over the past few months about Bernie and black people is essentially false. Most of those criticizing Bernie's initial approach are not committed to any candidate, or committed to Bernie.

The arguments about Cornel West are entirely different, but you are ignoring them. West is wildly unpopular in the black community for his attacks on Obama, who enjoys huge support there, in the 80-90% range. West will drag Bernie down, not help him.

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Is It Me... Or Are The Same People Complaining About Bernie Sanders Not Connecting With POC... [View all] WillyT Sep 2015 OP

maybe they need to be taught JI7 Sep 2015 #1

Yes... And The Full Quote... WillyT Sep 2015 #2

My God, MLK was ahead of his time. rusty quoin Sep 2015 #3

No, he and Malcolm knew what was wrong Hydra Sep 2015 #86

Is it just the words West used or is it the sentiment? artislife Sep 2015 #17

Nailed it. Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #4

Hey Major. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #12

Well, I tried to talk to you about this before. Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #16

Actually, sheshe2 Sep 2015 #25

Not Good Enough, Bernie beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #34

No, I think poster meant... Ino Sep 2015 #39

Come on! Are you serious? brush Sep 2015 #29

Yes, he is serious. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #30

Yep. It's become a mantra for some. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #32

No, your statement is untrue. kwassa Sep 2015 #64

They are serious. SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #38

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #52

A couple of links for you then brush Sep 2015 #55

West has had an uneasy time with younger black activists and thinkers Recursion Sep 2015 #5

Coates is also an atheist Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #44

I really came out of that spat with less respect for West, sadly Recursion Sep 2015 #45

See, I'm an atheist as well Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #47

Yes. West was just wrong in every way there Recursion Sep 2015 #48

that appears to be the program olddots Sep 2015 #6

I've not been counting or even reading most of what's been posted but elleng Sep 2015 #7

I don't see a lot of complaining or fits, that's just the view through your lenses GitRDun Sep 2015 #8

We need to be having discussions on issues, not on who the candidates are associating with. liberal_at_heart Sep 2015 #9

Bernie is a thoroughly decent guy..that is true GitRDun Sep 2015 #10

Some people in the AA community don't like West. Others in the AA community admire liberal_at_heart Sep 2015 #14

What difference does it make if some like West and some not? GitRDun Sep 2015 #15

Really? We cannot surmise what the American people are thinking? With more and more people liberal_at_heart Sep 2015 #18

Congratulations! GitRDun Sep 2015 #21

Bernie's voting record speaks for itself. I don't vote on popularity or electibility, I vote on liberal_at_heart Sep 2015 #23

You also seem certain GitRDun Sep 2015 #24

Seems to me those speaking against Bernie, or with "concern" about Cornel West, Ron Green Sep 2015 #11

Ahhh . . . he can't win without the votes brush Sep 2015 #50

The question is: Can he get the votes without the pandering, triangulation, marketing Ron Green Sep 2015 #59

Why bother? zappaman Sep 2015 #13

Yes, they believe... Bonobo Sep 2015 #19

Succint, and accurate. [n/t] Maedhros Sep 2015 #20

Or some people of color are more equal (at least in terms of speaking their opinions) Live and Learn Sep 2015 #22

What they're really saying is shut up and sit down Dr. West. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #36

#BLM "white supremacists" good; Cornel West "white supremacists" bad. WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2015 #26

Nailed it! TM99 Sep 2015 #31

+1000 and so did you Brother. Nailed it especially that last paragraph Catherina Sep 2015 #41

I've been watching this and am worried that these type of attacks might work. polly7 Sep 2015 #43

Those are some great quotes Polly Catherina Sep 2015 #60

Don't mind at all! polly7 Sep 2015 #61

They're not?!?! jeff47 Sep 2015 #42

yup Skittles Sep 2015 #27

It's you underthematrix Sep 2015 #28

No, it's not. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #33

ROFL murielm99 Sep 2015 #35

West is an asshole. SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #37

why do you say that?I admire West, don't agree/w every word he says but I do listen to what he says Sunlei Sep 2015 #49

"why do you say that?" SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #54

Well I think West is much more similar in views to Sanders & West will be helpful to progress Sunlei Sep 2015 #56

No, it's not just you. And it's no surprise either Catherina Sep 2015 #40

I don't think the poor and victimized connect with Brother West. kwassa Sep 2015 #66

You're very funny. Ask the poor and victimized in the Bronx, in Ferguson who Brother West is Catherina Sep 2015 #67

Cornel isn't a rock star anywhere ... kwassa Sep 2015 #70

Missed my whole point did you? Whitesplaining not welcome. Thanks. Bye. n/t Catherina Sep 2015 #75

Whatever. That wasn't your whole point. kwassa Sep 2015 #80

No. You whitesplained my points. And very poorly at that. Catherina Sep 2015 #82

Should I dump Michael Eric Dyson on you? Is he black enough? kwassa Sep 2015 #85

No. I specifically requested no more whitesplaining about "suitable negroes" Catherina Sep 2015 #87

I love her, just love her...... haikugal Sep 2015 #81

Yep 99Forever Sep 2015 #46

West doesn't get along with Obama, they love Obama, therefore they don't like West. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #51

Many of those you characterize as "throwing a Cornel West fit"... SidDithers Sep 2015 #53

Interesting that you would just pull shit..from the ether. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2015 #58

I Went To High School With Cornel West... Didn't Know Him Personally, But... WillyT Sep 2015 #62

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #73

People critical of Cornel West are "race baiting"?... SidDithers Sep 2015 #74

Are you doubting your own eyes? DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #76

True colours shown... SidDithers Sep 2015 #77

Good. Surprises can be nasty sometimes. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #79

And what about the white people who dont like Trump?He's calling for more taxes on Wall Street gains lunasun Sep 2015 #57

Is It Me... Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #63

Some people have tried to hold Obama feet to the fire because he is the president rhett o rick Sep 2015 #65

I don't know if it's JUST you, but you're incorrect. And yes, I'll explain. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #78

Oh no it is most CERTAINLY not just you! And the fact that certain folks in this crowd Number23 Sep 2015 #88

Not me. Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #89

Huh? Bobbie Jo Sep 2015 #91

Major Hogwash. You're welcome. betsuni Sep 2015 #93

Exactly. betsuni Sep 2015 #90

Willy, what if some are one and the same? Raine1967 Sep 2015 #68

Seriously... WillyT Sep 2015 #69

It was an honest inquiry. Raine1967 Sep 2015 #71

Oh... I'm Not Saying It Wasn't... I Thought It Might Be Rhetorical... WillyT Sep 2015 #72

It wasn't a rhetorical question. Raine1967 Sep 2015 #83

And That's The Way The World Works, No ??? WillyT Sep 2015 #84

I could only know that if I made lists of DUers based on the content of their posts HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #92

What's a "Cornel West fit"? betsuni Sep 2015 #94