2016 Postmortem

Vinca

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73. It is. If the Clintonites are attacking him on those issues they need to tell us whether

Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:28 PM

Sep 2015

or not the proposals to help non-Wall Street Americans have any hope of being considered by Hillary. All the proposals are positive things and Bernie has provided a way to pay for it all. But, truth be told, the "paying for" may be difficult for Clinton since the lion's share of the cost would be paid by tax increases on her wealthiest supporters/donors.

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How to lose a GE: nominate a socialist who proposes $18T in new government spending. [View all] DanTex Sep 2015 OP

LOL !!! WillyT Sep 2015 #1

The op is a right winger surely? Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #121

No... It's More Like This: WillyT Sep 2015 #122

Her we go - Hillary and her Republican colleagues on the attack Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #123

She attacks him from the right AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #139

Oh this should go over well! dorkzilla Sep 2015 #2

Scootch over. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #11

Awesome! dorkzilla Sep 2015 #23

Oh, c'mon dorkzilla! beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #27

He says he likes to discuss politics dorkzilla Sep 2015 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author dorkzilla Sep 2015 #32

He thinks that's what he's doing? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #56

Brought some more nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #78

We�re gonna need a bigger bucket! dorkzilla Sep 2015 #80

Well maybe fill in the olympic sized pool nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #81

Please pass me the butter Aerows Sep 2015 #106

I got a blanket too...get comfy nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #109

Red Scare.....again? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #3

Not sure why people keep talking about "red" anything. DanTex Sep 2015 #4

Because people keep keep try to scare people with the word Socialist. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #6

Well, it's true that a socialist is thoroughly unelectable, but I'm asking about the "red" part. DanTex Sep 2015 #12

No more than saying that Catholics are similar to Anglicans. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #17

Then you need not waste one second of your life discussing him. arcane1 Sep 2015 #19

I like discussing politics. DanTex Sep 2015 #21

Oh, is that was this was all about. arcane1 Sep 2015 #126

Using McCarthyite rhetoric is not "discussing". Ken Burch Sep 2015 #132

not sure virtualobserver Sep 2015 #10

LMFAO Aerows Sep 2015 #108

I love that movie virtualobserver Sep 2015 #110

He's a one trick pony. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #33

How to lose GE. Let the GOP oversee bank charters. ancianita Sep 2015 #5

I agree. Let's play it safe. HassleCat Sep 2015 #7

Rec this too. RiverLover Sep 2015 #102

If that is how to do it, then we don't have any concerns. nt. SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #8

If you can't explain the $15 trillion for Medicare for All includes what is paid now on insurance think Sep 2015 #9

Exactly! A clever infographic with some numbers and voters will be magically converted into DanTex Sep 2015 #31

So you don't understand that 10 years of health insurance costs are included in the $15 trillion? think Sep 2015 #49

I do, but good luck selling those numbers to the American electorate. DanTex Sep 2015 #52

"...good luck selling those numbers..." bvf Sep 2015 #65

Bernies biggest mistake so far redstateblues Sep 2015 #84

Most of it is the single payer, and yes, advocating for that is a mistake. DanTex Sep 2015 #87

You've made three OP's declaring your inability to grasp the concept. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #103

So we need the stupid vote? GeorgeGist Sep 2015 #125

Read it and weep. in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #13

The President does not make law, spend upaloopa Sep 2015 #62

That was 2008. Google 'socialist' and look at how many pics of Obama come up. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #14

OP embarrassed themself long ago. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #35

At least he's recycling. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #38

Maybe she's using H1B visas to staff her Internet team? HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #42

That would explain a lot. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #46

"No, Bernie Sanders is not going to bankrupt America to the tune of $18 trillion" Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #15

Thank you Go Vols Sep 2015 #64

How to lose America: continue to let conservatives dominate both parties. Broward Sep 2015 #16

It was in the Wall Street Journal so it must be true, right? n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2015 #18

It doesn't seem hard to explain to me. cyberswede Sep 2015 #20

No one's buying it but the right wingers who aren't Fawke Em Sep 2015 #24

Yeah, I forgot about the magic 50% cost savings. While we're at it, might as well just go ahead DanTex Sep 2015 #28

Not sure why you call it magic. cyberswede Sep 2015 #39

Nobody serious believes that single payer would cut health care spending in half. DanTex Sep 2015 #45

Nobody but Professor Friedman at UMASS cyberswede Sep 2015 #60

That paper estimates $596B in annual savings, which is not 50% of the $3.13T in current DanTex Sep 2015 #61

That figure reflects savings in only part of the total cost cyberswede Sep 2015 #68

That figure is the total estimate of the savings from that study. Around 20%. DanTex Sep 2015 #69

So youre against a 20% savings in health costs? HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #105

Lol! demmiblue Sep 2015 #22

you can work on that lollipop all day restorefreedom Sep 2015 #25

Right wing clap trap from HIll's Shills. morningfog Sep 2015 #26

You're late with the talking point. bvf Sep 2015 #30

If this was 2008 Z_California Sep 2015 #55

Isn't there a rule about posting RW propaganda here? Z_California Sep 2015 #34

I think Hillary Group was grandfathered. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #40

. GoneFishin Sep 2015 #86

Well, at least the right wingers on this board are outing themselves. Broward Sep 2015 #48

Anything negative about Clinton is an impermissible RW meme. Other RW stuff is perfectly OK. Jim Lane Sep 2015 #100

Let's leave it to Democratic Primary voters and not raise the socialism alarm. Agnosticsherbet Sep 2015 #36

So does this mean Hillary has no desire to expand Social Security and Medicare, Vinca Sep 2015 #37

I thought the post was about Bernie saturnsring Sep 2015 #44

It is. If the Clintonites are attacking him on those issues they need to tell us whether Vinca Sep 2015 #73

Really? No, it is an OP by a Hillary supporter who thinks we will all support Hillary if he djean111 Sep 2015 #74

of course DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #41

They aren't telling her what to do... haikugal Sep 2015 #59

Did he say it'll be huge and you're gonna love it saturnsring Sep 2015 #43

My God. Bernie Sanders is being controlled by Angela Lansbury! Prism Sep 2015 #47

You are seriously buying into... ljm2002 Sep 2015 #50

So now we're now taking numbers generated by the WSJ as gospel? bullwinkle428 Sep 2015 #51

Chicken little is that you? azmom Sep 2015 #53

So let's just keep doing the same things we've been doing..... daleanime Sep 2015 #54

which is more despicable Doctor_J Sep 2015 #57

There's a two-for-one special on this today! n/t bvf Sep 2015 #67

Scorched Earth politics from the HRC crew. Z_California Sep 2015 #58

quel surprise elehhhhna Sep 2015 #124

One thing for sure: I'll vote for who I want to be president. David__77 Sep 2015 #63

To be fair, that's 18 trillion before taxes and monies we would have paid for insurance premiums Hoyt Sep 2015 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author jfern Sep 2015 #70

Hillary and her cadre are making faux news look centrist. Jappleseed Sep 2015 #71

Enough of the right-wing bullshit. Ron Green Sep 2015 #72

David Brock should hire you! m-lekktor Sep 2015 #75

Yeah.. that's how I see it also. DCBob Sep 2015 #76

I know of a poliical party that woud be happy for you to join them Armstead Sep 2015 #79

I think you are confused. DCBob Sep 2015 #99

Well that explains your sig line. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #82

To me this OP is a swing and a miss. GitRDun Sep 2015 #77

It's still $18T of new spending (and, yes, that number is pretty accurate, maybe even low). DanTex Sep 2015 #83

Not according to WaPo GitRDun Sep 2015 #91

It is new government spending. Yes, the dollars are being spent now, but not by the government. DanTex Sep 2015 #92

Well, you make WaPo's point GitRDun Sep 2015 #96

Awww, bless your heart...n/t ms liberty Sep 2015 #85

Ahh, how cute. Whining about Bernie. Your fear is showing. nt Logical Sep 2015 #88

You, too? Blue_In_AK Sep 2015 #89

If you want austerity, feel free to vote republican. Doctor_J Sep 2015 #90

O NO Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #93

Well make the 1% pay their fair share, workinclasszero Sep 2015 #94

You forgot the link to Rupert Murdoch's laissez faire toilet paper whatchamacallit Sep 2015 #95

Shrug. Better than going into GE with nominee who voted for IWR. nt Dems to Win Sep 2015 #97

Telling it like it is ... the RW line will be that BS is a draft dodging socialist Persondem Sep 2015 #98

Yes, we hear that RW talking point from Hillary supporters daily. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #107

Perhaps then it's a legitemate concern. Especially since you have NO answer other Persondem Sep 2015 #129

You do know who owns the WSJ, right? HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #130

The "right" numbers still leave a 5 trillion dollar hole in the budget, assuming the benefits Persondem Sep 2015 #131

Nope. Still wrong. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #133

The government is not spending that money. To get that plan paid for Persondem Sep 2015 #134

It is the entire amount spent, govt, business, and private. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #135

Explain to them they won't have to pay $50 copays when they cut their fingers, or $250 for a cavity. Bonobo Sep 2015 #101

Nonsense. It's time to give the American people more ... ReallyIAmAnOptimist Sep 2015 #104

Most voters will not get over the sticker shock Gothmog Sep 2015 #111

The source sited JackInGreen Sep 2015 #112

And yet agrees that there will be $15 trillion in government spending on single payer alone. DanTex Sep 2015 #113

You should JackInGreen Sep 2015 #114

Personal insults. Yes, Bernie fans are big on those. And yet, the $15T number is right there. DanTex Sep 2015 #115

And you can keep reading JackInGreen Sep 2015 #116

The number is right there. What can I say? You can ignore it, but there it is. DanTex Sep 2015 #117

Yep JackInGreen Sep 2015 #118

Happen to mention that the current system will cost us $30 trillion? Net savings of $12 trillion. Fearless Sep 2015 #128

I'm sorry but when did DU turn into a conservative forum again? (nt) LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #119

It's been a while. The Obama bashing has been going on for years. DanTex Sep 2015 #120

Not even changing the wording of the Super PAC script huh? Fearless Sep 2015 #127

He proposes to raise $6 trillion in taxes, don't know where the other $12 trillion will come. Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #136

Thanks for spreading an entirely bogus right wing talking point Cheese Sandwich Sep 2015 #137

So you are for austerity AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #138