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Hortensis

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12. The ERA in which they worked must be considered in evaluating their
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 12:07 PM
Sep 2015

performances. We are still coming out of the strongly conservative Reaganism-to-Tea-Party-Economic Libertarian era that began in the late 1970s, a transition I suspect is being prolonged by the corrupting, directing influence of Big Money in politics.

In any case, one could not expect a democratic socialist to have risen to real prominence in either party in this era. The mood of the nation was all wrong. He gets points from most in being in Congress at all and now in having successfully raised the torch passed by Elizabeth Warren. Seems to me we can't really evaluate his ability to lead yet, depending as it does on the wish of Americans to be lead, still to be demonstrated, but it's clearly at least somewhat stronger than his obscurity suggested just a few months ago.

I'm another who really does not like Hillary's constant chasing survival positions right past the middle into the right during this era, but again, the positions she took would have been pretty consistently left-to-moderate in a more liberal era, which is the environment in which the next president governs looks like it will be

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One serious question for moderate Democrats. [View all] Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 OP
I'm a liberal Democrat, and because of the things you are describing: inequality, global warming, DanTex Sep 2015 #1
The best way. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #27
I think we are in pretty serious times. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #2
I must be frank about HRC's ethics. Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #3
I understand your position. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #4
MOM is very good. Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #8
This is what I am alluding to. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #11
The ERA in which they worked must be considered in evaluating their Hortensis Sep 2015 #12
4) He always supported LGBT marriage rights --- there, fixed that for you. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #18
Let me give you my research: Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #28
since when has hillary been a leader? She was a senator same as Bernie and then a team player roguevalley Sep 2015 #15
Never said she was.... NCTraveler Sep 2015 #16
Wait, wut? Bernie's record on marriage equality isn't good enough for you but Hillary's is??? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #17
I never said his wasn't good enough but hers is. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #19
You listed his lack of support for marriage equality as one of the reasons why you support Hillary beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #20
i appreciate you backing down on your false claim directed at me. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #21
LOL! Nice try, but read it again. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #22
I have zero issue with your thoughts there. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #23
The only blatant lie is claiming that Bernie doesn't support marriage equality at the federal level. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #24
Wait, wut? Bernie's record on marriage equality isn't good enough for you but Hillary's is??? NCTraveler Sep 2015 #25
Now you claim you're not backing Hillary in the primary??? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #26
Define Moderate Democrat first YabaDabaNoDinoNo Sep 2015 #5
How about Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #6
Still did not define moderate democrat. I can call myself the king of England but that does not YabaDabaNoDinoNo Sep 2015 #7
As a progressive, Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #9
I don't think they know themselves YabaDabaNoDinoNo Sep 2015 #10
Many studies have been done and books and articles written, Yaba. Look Hortensis Sep 2015 #13
I can't speak for anyone else ShrimpPoboy Sep 2015 #14
+1 n/t Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #29
Why do you buy into the self-description of corporate Dems as "moderates"? delrem Sep 2015 #30
I'm trying to emulate Bernie, Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #32
If you fundamentally disagree with my politics, but choose to use my language delrem Sep 2015 #34
I appreciate your argument, Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #35
Here you go. delrem Sep 2015 #38
When is there going to be an acknowledgement Skidmore Sep 2015 #31
I am happy to answer your question Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #33
yes, yes we do Amishman Sep 2015 #36
Thank you. Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #37
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