2016 Postmortem

Admiral Loinpresser

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125. Her stated position

Sun Sep 20, 2015, 10:10 PM

Sep 2015

is only aspirational generalities with which I cannot disagree. I note that she does not state any displeasure with NAFTA, CAFTA or the bilateral Chinese deal. Bernie voted against all three trade deals and is on record that they are bad for the environment and American workers. He would have to see differences in substance or negotiating modalities (e.g. secret and fast track scenario in each case) in the TPP deal. On the contrary, Bernie characterizes this as a repeat of history in trade deals.

When everything looks the same this time as the three disastrous preceding trade deals, it seems to present the basis for a prima facie case against TPP. What is Hillary's position on NAFTA, CAFTA and US-China?

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People who are bewildered by Hillary's campaign are ignoring the facts, or worse. [View all] Evergreen Emerald Sep 2015 OP

K & R, great post, she is following the plan laid out even before she announced Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #1

Watching her on Face the Nation this morning. yourout Sep 2015 #2

she's repeatedly disingenuous. cali Sep 2015 #15

"about no attack adds on Bernie" BeanMusical Sep 2015 #37

Well, the reason she can't commit to no attack ads is it's not her control Capn Sunshine Sep 2015 #115

Today on "Face the Nation" she discussed.... Walk away Sep 2015 #3

When you wrote BS I thought you were quoting her and her bull shit. ChairmanAgnostic Sep 2015 #16

What? Evergreen Emerald Sep 2015 #26

And my point is proven. ChairmanAgnostic Sep 2015 #29

Are you happy, does it make you feel good to call people ignorant? A Simple Game Sep 2015 #68

Then why can Sanders not provide a good explanation as to how he can win a general election? Gothmog Sep 2015 #122

Hillary can't even state her position on Keystone . TheFarS1de Sep 2015 #132

If you haven't heard BS speak about other things... thesquanderer Sep 2015 #32

I guess he will hire people to take care of all those other pesky issues. AlbertCat Sep 2015 #49

What a ridiculous post Doctor_J Sep 2015 #123

Has she outlined clear positions on the following subjects? Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #4

I'm sure she'll let us know after the election..... peacebird Sep 2015 #14

lol, good one! n/t Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #17

of course! we peons don't need to know now restorefreedom Sep 2015 #18

You can only blame benghazi for so long and so much. She is falling because she is invisible roguevalley Sep 2015 #34

most definitely restorefreedom Sep 2015 #44

Lol, I thought the same thing! BeanMusical Sep 2015 #39

You obviously are playing dumb of course she has Evergreen Emerald Sep 2015 #23

If thats the case, then perhaps you can give us a link where that happens? Bubzer Sep 2015 #28

Great to hear. Can you please provide links? So far all I've seen are these non-answers ... Scuba Sep 2015 #30

"The echo chamber." BeanMusical Sep 2015 #46

Links? 99Forever Sep 2015 #73

What are the positions then? cui bono Sep 2015 #102

From the Face the Nation interview transcript, not the Onion... jtuck004 Sep 2015 #71

This, precisely, is the problem: JDPriestly Sep 2015 #109

Perpetuating "the kind of approaches and values that my husband had..." Buns_of_Fire Sep 2015 #135

Right. Bubba II but without Bubba's charm and charisma. Not good. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #138

TPP: PosterChild Sep 2015 #91

+1. Hoyt Sep 2015 #104

Her stated position Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #125

Look at the link, i believe . .. PosterChild Sep 2015 #128

first nafta and now TPP. rejecting is self defense. she won't tell her roguevalley Sep 2015 #137

Hillary Clinton is (obviously) not Bernie Sanders. cheapdate Sep 2015 #116

Makes sense for her HassleCat Sep 2015 #5

Your post makes sense period. Although I suspect she'd prefer he be ignored completely. Hortensis Sep 2015 #53

Please point me to the facts on which you base your thought that Hillary has been trying to restrain merrily Sep 2015 #65

As far as I can glean from your post, cheapdate Sep 2015 #106

uhm, what? marym625 Sep 2015 #119

They simply dont like her style. DCBob Sep 2015 #6

No, style is not high on my list of reasons for opposing her. cali Sep 2015 #8

When I say "style" I am including her approach to politics and campaigning. DCBob Sep 2015 #11

I don't like it, but I don't have a response to the argument for it in this election cycle. cali Sep 2015 #12

no one gives money to a candidate at that level without expectation of pay backs. in the roguevalley Sep 2015 #38

You're confusing style with tactics or strategy. I can see why you'de prefer the word style though. Bubzer Sep 2015 #31

+1 BeanMusical Sep 2015 #48

Well said! n/t cui bono Sep 2015 #105

Yes, I prefer style.. DCBob Sep 2015 #112

In which case she is copying a corrupt and oft used GoP style. Bubzer Sep 2015 #129

"actual Democrat"? Does Third Way truly qualify as "actual"? EOM Jackilope Sep 2015 #20

I am not privy MyNameGoesHere Sep 2015 #56

if by style restorefreedom Sep 2015 #22

After all you must have seen on this board alone, you chalk it up to boring style? smh nt. merrily Sep 2015 #66

no of course not.. its more than that.. DCBob Sep 2015 #88

The money issue is the big one. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #110

That's an understandable criticism. DCBob Sep 2015 #111

If the Clintons are right, and it takes those endless streams of money to win in JDPriestly Sep 2015 #114

+1 liberal_at_heart Sep 2015 #131

I'm not bewildered. Hillary has given voters ample reason to doubt her word cali Sep 2015 #7

Lead me to the details on TPP and XL. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2015 #9

x 2 Omaha Steve Sep 2015 #21

x 3 Bubzer Sep 2015 #36

Great post k&r BooScout Sep 2015 #10

That would require effort. Gman Sep 2015 #13

It's not hard pinebox Sep 2015 #19

+1000000 SammyWinstonJack Sep 2015 #24

Welcome to DU Evergreen Emerald Sep 2015 #27

actual facts would help your position, Evergreen Emerald. The big issues are not answered roguevalley Sep 2015 #40

Not sure how those sites are RW distortions. A very quick bit of research shows they're not RW. Bubzer Sep 2015 #41

Meh, that post was just Third Way distortions. BeanMusical Sep 2015 #50

+1 Bubzer Sep 2015 #94

Chanting RW is inaccurate and rebuts nothing. And we have looked at the total picture, which is why merrily Sep 2015 #69

Kos is not a RW site pinebox Sep 2015 #97

Here's the part you missed with that bullshit story. uberblonde Sep 2015 #96

Know what I hate? pinebox Sep 2015 #98

Ouch . TheFarS1de Sep 2015 #133

"I hate it when amateurs try to analyze politics. " BeanMusical Sep 2015 #130

Then she is doing it wrong. It's the candidate's job morningfog Sep 2015 #127

Here is a fact. I will be very happy if she is our President. Laser102 Sep 2015 #25

not good enough for me for someone who voted for wars and is jonesing for war with Iran roguevalley Sep 2015 #42

Hillary strong like Putin, strong like Reagan, strong like great American Oxen whereisjustice Sep 2015 #51

I'm not bewildered I can see exactly what she thinks she's accomplishing tularetom Sep 2015 #33

Well, there should be no doubt that she's a warmongering corporatist. Broward Sep 2015 #35

Welcome to DU Evergreen Emerald Sep 2015 #43

Did you listen to her foreign policy speech? jkbRN Sep 2015 #47

um...... restorefreedom Sep 2015 #52

She's different now that she has completed Step One of the OP progree Sep 2015 #57

ooohhhhh, listening to people.... restorefreedom Sep 2015 #58

And agreeing with everything The People say -- a wonderful sign from a wonderful person progree Sep 2015 #70

i honestly dont know restorefreedom Sep 2015 #82

She was running for the Sheriff Of Noddingham in that clip, I think. nt progree Sep 2015 #89

lol! nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #95

We Came, We Saw, He Died BeanMusical Sep 2015 #54

It's more correct to call her a neo-conservative (politically correct term for war monger) whereisjustice Sep 2015 #60

Who is gonna take responsibility for Bill's actions pocoloco Sep 2015 #63

If you apply for the job be sure to bring your junior high diploma. <nt> oasis Sep 2015 #124

I don't think it's bewilderment, jkbRN Sep 2015 #45

I was actually quoting a Bernie supporter who said he/she was bewildered. Evergreen Emerald Sep 2015 #84

Ahhhh, touch�! jkbRN Sep 2015 #92

op says her position on the issues is everywhere retrowire Sep 2015 #55

The refugee crisis is a good example. CanadaexPat Sep 2015 #59

she's disliked because she's two-faced, toryish, emblematizes the old-style politicking MisterP Sep 2015 #61

The big question is not "what is Hillary's position on X?" Maedhros Sep 2015 #62

That'll work... 99Forever Sep 2015 #64

All while you "attack relentlessness(sic)" as well. nt Electric Monk Sep 2015 #72

What does that mean? 99Forever Sep 2015 #74

Exactly. It's a quote from the OP. I'm guessing they meant to say "attack relentlessly"? nt Electric Monk Sep 2015 #76

Ahhh, thanks for clearing that up. 99Forever Sep 2015 #77

This is not a reality based board at this time workinclasszero Sep 2015 #67

By promoting a status quo corporate conservative, DNC is kicking the injustice and inequity can down whereisjustice Sep 2015 #75

How is Bernie NOT the status quo? He has been part of the status quo for 50 years. Evergreen Emerald Sep 2015 #87

She voted/shilled for cluster bombs, Israeli War, Iraq war, Libya War, Syria War, Yemen War and ... whereisjustice Sep 2015 #93

Oh you can bank on that. frylock Sep 2015 #107

LOL!!! So, we're either ignorant or useful idiots for Rove? Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #78

People are tired of the same-old, same-old... ReactFlux Sep 2015 #79

"same old same old" That always makes me shake my head Evergreen Emerald Sep 2015 #81

Yes and what has Bernie accomplished in those workinclasszero Sep 2015 #85

Lockheed Martin loves him! uberblonde Sep 2015 #99

Great what are they, half a billion a piece or so? workinclasszero Sep 2015 #103

Not as much as Hillary though ... TheFarS1de Sep 2015 #120

Big difference ReactFlux Sep 2015 #121

Media tooeyeten Sep 2015 #80

What is her trade policy? Motown_Johnny Sep 2015 #83

When is she going to let the cat out of the bag on Keystone? Vinca Sep 2015 #86

Let's make stuff up because it doesn't fit your talking point. She spoke out against it on Face the still_one Sep 2015 #90

Excuse me. I didn't watch every Sunday talk show. In any case, Vinca Sep 2015 #108

She has been speaking about the whole republcian congressional attack against Planned Parenthood for still_one Sep 2015 #117

She used generic "Republicans." Say the name. It's cowardly not to. Vinca Sep 2015 #139

I suggest that you go to O'Malley website and read each of his platforms. askew Sep 2015 #100

It's not bewilderment so much as disappointment or um... non-surprise? cui bono Sep 2015 #101

HRC is running a great campaign Gothmog Sep 2015 #113

Go Evergreen! shenmue Sep 2015 #118

Detailed Plans portlander23 Sep 2015 #126

Dammit . TheFarS1de Sep 2015 #134

If you can't pummel em with policy Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #136