2016 Postmortem

Javaman

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245. and as my "avie" indicated, hillary voted for the war Bernie didn't

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 04:17 PM

Sep 2015

and as such, if Hillary is so afraid of a debate, then I can do with out her as well.

but if you are so concerned about insults regarding a Democratic Candidate, perhaps she should take a hard look at the debate schedule and decide for herself and not allow the DNC to make up her mind for her.

there in lies the rub. if she's unable to make that very basic decision how are we to trust her with the big decisions.

So I agree with all who have hurled insults upon her.

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Hillary camp argued for fewer than 6 debates in negotiations with DNC [View all] Catherina Sep 2015 OP

wow. thanks Cat. She really is a piece of work. cali Sep 2015 #1

Arrogant and entitled Catherina Sep 2015 #10

"It goes along with the attitude that *all your votes belong to me*" passiveporcupine Sep 2015 #65

I love the Bernie people here. They find shit. :D roguevalley Sep 2015 #67

it's downright offensive AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #68

I can already see their replies to this. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #90

The DNC has screwed the pooch with this. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #102

you forgot, "she's evolved on debates." magical thyme Sep 2015 #210

Isn't that special, 4 debates. We must change this, by doing the following, TODAY! appalachiablue Sep 2015 #238

Bernie's anger is entirely justified. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #87

The sole deciding factor is Hillary 'evolving' from 'being open' to actually WANTING more debates? 99th_Monkey Sep 2015 #2

pretty nauseating. Hillary is just so dishonest cali Sep 2015 #3

If you were Hillary Clinton Aerows Sep 2015 #82

You have a point, I suppose 99th_Monkey Sep 2015 #97

Mrs. Manipulator has no integrity. 840high Sep 2015 #150

If I were running as a Democrat, I'd want to promote the Democratic Party brand eridani Sep 2015 #203

This is the proof that the Democratic insiders would rather lose the election than surender their Vincardog Sep 2015 #4

the primary is a sham. cali Sep 2015 #5

It was before Berie anounced. Vincardog Sep 2015 #7

That�s not the point.. dorkzilla Sep 2015 #16

She thought it was an auction. Whomever had the most corporate $$$ wins. We have to prove her wrong Vincardog Sep 2015 #20

I�m going to laugh my ass off when they�re all beaten by the guy who wouldn�t be bought. dorkzilla Sep 2015 #24

This could be an indication of things to come! artislife Sep 2015 #26

The Kochs were throwing money at a complete dunce. Unknown Beatle Sep 2015 #47

Bernie running actually saved this shit from being a cake walk. Thank you again, roguevalley Sep 2015 #73

The money they donated to the DLC was a much better investment for them. The gift that keeps merrily Sep 2015 #217

Even the Republican rank and file recognize there is a problem with the money in elections. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #94

This is the easiest way to make Citizens United go away Mnpaul Sep 2015 #170

I couldn't agree more. Bernie may be taking a metaphorical bullet for democracy. dorkzilla Sep 2015 #179

Exactamundo. hifiguy Sep 2015 #63

Bingo Right in one. Vincardog Sep 2015 #86

She, the DNC and the Party's mouthpieces sure did their best to bring about that result. merrily Sep 2015 #134

With as much as the deck has been stacked... Lancero Sep 2015 #196

And I, as a voter, Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #49

Well, like everyone, the DNC tends to go with the folks who best represent their positions, right? HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #52

Hillary Doesn't Know What She Is TrumanTown Sep 2015 #57

Performing on stage.... AlbertCat Sep 2015 #234

I'm not sure I'd go that far passiveporcupine Sep 2015 #72

+1 merrily Sep 2015 #120

+1 Hillary did not do right by the party during the 2008 primary, hanging on after she had no chance merrily Sep 2015 #131

D N C = Desperate Neoliberal Corporatists mhatrw Sep 2015 #201

Rec! Not a surprise. She got what she asked for: Four Debates. morningfog Sep 2015 #6

And this sort of crap is why I don't just oppose her on some policy issues, record and rhetoric. cali Sep 2015 #9

Yep. She cannot be trusted. She "welcomes more debates." Bullshit. morningfog Sep 2015 #13

It is this sort of corruption that makes Bernie so popular. Dustlawyer Sep 2015 #15

Both parties are doing a good job of thoroughly discrediting themselves this year n/t arcane1 Sep 2015 #46

Well put. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #99

+++ Fuckin' A! stillwaiting Sep 2015 #19

. . . What's best for the people. Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #42

She will NEVER get mine. We have to put them all and the DNC on blast. Now roguevalley Sep 2015 #77

And....... philosslayer Sep 2015 #76

"Because what will the alternative be after all?" R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #103

Jill Stein Nothingcleverjustray Sep 2015 #113

Writing in Bernie? merrily Sep 2015 #218

More alternatives than that. merrily Sep 2015 #132

I'll write in Bernie...I will not vote for the lesser of two evils ever again! I won't do it..fuck haikugal Sep 2015 #172

This is just something else that screams "YOU DON'T MATTER' Avalux Sep 2015 #8

Not speeches. "Thoughtful discussions." Aldo Leopold Sep 2015 #70

You Don't Matter passiveporcupine Sep 2015 #93

Donors are the only people who apparently matter n/t arcane1 Sep 2015 #104

LOL! Did the republican set the debate schedule for us??!! 4139 Sep 2015 #11

fuck the dnc cali Sep 2015 #14

Fuck them because that�s exactly what they�re doing to us. dorkzilla Sep 2015 #17

Jeez! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #101

They might as well have, the Dec. 19th game is opposite a prime time NFL football game Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #154

Why bother with risky debates when you can just buy the election with corporate cash? K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #12

Here's how to force the DNC into more debates. Have debates with all candidates except Hillary litlbilly Sep 2015 #18

It won't work, the schedule is such no one will be watching anyway.. Vincardog Sep 2015 #21

Ignore the DNC debate schedule and its exclusionary rule. If ALL of the other candidates tblue37 Sep 2015 #64

which is what she'd love merrily Sep 2015 #137

Why? She would look terrible, and the other candidates would be seen tblue37 Sep 2015 #216

. merrily Sep 2015 #220

then Hillary can stand all by her lonesome up there.... AlbertCat Sep 2015 #235

I'm warming up to this idea & am almost on board. Bernie doesn't need the DNC. Catherina Sep 2015 #240

she does not deserve, nor will ever restorefreedom Sep 2015 #22

An interesting look at DNC party politics senz Sep 2015 #23

This is Bernie's year. Harper's John R. MacArthur needs to rethink JDPriestly Sep 2015 #37

Agreed. JD. Just like a ghost, they don't know they're dead and irrelevant yet. roguevalley Sep 2015 #79

+1 merrily Sep 2015 #138

What interested me in MacArthur's article is a growing consensus re Hillary's chances. senz Sep 2015 #195

Maybe if you are in DC you won't get a reaction AlbertCat Sep 2015 #236

This is going viral on the internet right now and not in a good way Ichingcarpenter Sep 2015 #25

"The game is rigged. And nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. " RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #27

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz leftofcool Sep 2015 #28

you can sleep through this, but it's big trouble for dems cali Sep 2015 #30

Exactly what many progressive will be doing come election Purveyor Sep 2015 #43

it got all the way to her before a hillarian showed up. That must be a record. roguevalley Sep 2015 #80

Nice sig line, but do Democrats votes matter? R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #109

Yea, in the primary and the GE leftofcool Sep 2015 #111

It doesn't appear that way, but there's plenty of lip $evice to that effect. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #118

As long as the voters do as they're told in these "primary" thingies, eh Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #169

La la la Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #168

I enjoy the sound of graveyard whistling. morningfog Sep 2015 #176

Exactly. Darb Sep 2015 #212

so falling asleep is your tactic? Javaman Sep 2015 #241

Is that hillarys response to any question? Nt Logical Sep 2015 #253

This is ridiculous ut oh Sep 2015 #29

Not this weekend BS AlbertCat Sep 2015 #237

This needs to go to the greatest page.. yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #31

declined portlander23 Sep 2015 #32

She dodged those questions with the cowardice of a republican n/t arcane1 Sep 2015 #39

Two yes or no questions, met with a word salad. MindfulOne Sep 2015 #66

With the guise of a lawyer with something to hide. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #119

Has she ever actually answered a single question directly? About ANYTHING? Indepatriot Sep 2015 #40

No. (Do you see what I just did?) nt tblue37 Sep 2015 #69

She couldn't even give a simple answer to the question... Ino Sep 2015 #164

craven pandering restorefreedom Sep 2015 #186

W did NOT "try to bring the country together"! He deliberately used a national trauma tblue37 Sep 2015 #224

Voters in the first primary states get so much exposure to and access JDPriestly Sep 2015 #33

Another lie from Clinton? I wish I could say I was surprised. arcane1 Sep 2015 #34

"The left has nowhere else to go." merrily Sep 2015 #219

True enough... freebrew Sep 2015 #243

K & R !!! WillyT Sep 2015 #35

Her and Little Debbie are thick as thieves, and democracy is what their stealing from us. Indepatriot Sep 2015 #36

In this one thread alone, these are the comments by ALLEGED Democrats about DEMOCRATIC randys1 Sep 2015 #38

it's revealing that you are more upset about those rather tame expressions cali Sep 2015 #44

Nah, like i said, I am so much further to the left than you it would give you a headache randys1 Sep 2015 #54

I can guarantee that you are not further to the left than me and Live and Learn Sep 2015 #192

You already lost the bet, nobody said anything about OK randys1 Sep 2015 #232

I think your post proves my point. nt Live and Learn Sep 2015 #248

You're asking people to self-censor for fear of the GOP. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #45

Yep. blue neen Sep 2015 #48

Hey she thinks Kim Kardasian is inspirational Ichingcarpenter Sep 2015 #50

Most of the commenters are NOT Democrats. They proudly say so, too. Metric System Sep 2015 #51

Baloney. Jackilope Sep 2015 #149

Thanks for your very clear response to the smear against those of us who won't play this game. haikugal Sep 2015 #175

Bernie is and has been far truer to Democratic principles than Hillary ever was or will be. nt Live and Learn Sep 2015 #194

It would be nice if people here would stick to the truth when trying to make a point. Live and Learn Sep 2015 #193

We hold our own to a higher standard. Republican shitheads Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #53

We're expected to suck it up, in silence, for the career of a flawed candidate? arcane1 Sep 2015 #55

I'm of the opinion that if Hillary makes it so easy for anyone Autumn Sep 2015 #60

I agree, and put DWS in the same bag. bvar22 Sep 2015 #155

I have no use for DWS at all. Autumn Sep 2015 #157

Because PalinRomneyRyanWalkerBushTrump boogieman! R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #123

Dont mind me, I will just follow Thom Hartmann's lead, one of Bernie's biggest randys1 Sep 2015 #124

You go right ahead, haus. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #147

"Clinton 2016: Because What Else Can You Do?" n/t arcane1 Sep 2015 #126

Nope, mine is "Bernie for the Win" randys1 Sep 2015 #127

LOL! merrily Sep 2015 #139

Clinton 2016: Deal With It mhatrw Sep 2015 #205

You get right to the point. Hillary is a shitty candidate who can't be trusted. morningfog Sep 2015 #177

plus a jillion. nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #188

I am absolutely convinced she will lose. Puglover Sep 2015 #239

"One of the few FAR LEFT liberals on this board"?!? chervilant Sep 2015 #187

And you're an ALLEGED FAR LEFT liberal. not that I have EVER seen any evidence at all cali Sep 2015 #222

so let me get this straight, you are more concerned about comments here on DU than... Javaman Sep 2015 #242

I am VERY concerned with what is said everywhere as it can turn Democratic randys1 Sep 2015 #244

and as my "avie" indicated, hillary voted for the war Bernie didn't Javaman Sep 2015 #245

So it appears you are willing to risk a GOP government and I am not. Not even Bernie randys1 Sep 2015 #246

LOL stop the baiting it's very unattractive. Javaman Sep 2015 #247

+1. I too am surprised by intensity of anti-Hillary statements. philly_bob Sep 2015 #250

Thanxs ..A far left person, like me, believes individuals owning land is insane, for instance randys1 Sep 2015 #257

So you must LOVE repubs who blindly support all their candidates? Nt Logical Sep 2015 #254

Not surprising, and for a simple reason. hifiguy Sep 2015 #41

Now I can't WAIT for that first debate. Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #59

Beware of a "rigged" moderator. That could change things in a bad way. nt ladjf Sep 2015 #85

I fully expect a rigged moderator. Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #92

The rigged moderator can allow it to turn into a junk ladjf Sep 2015 #95

And people are sick to the teeth of the Clintons hifiguy Sep 2015 #96

She will sink like an anchor in deep water. hifiguy Sep 2015 #89

Spot on MissDeeds Sep 2015 #62

If this is 100% Credible? fredamae Sep 2015 #56

This is why people keep calling Hillary a Repug-lite... ion_theory Sep 2015 #114

If this were the GOP fredamae Sep 2015 #125

Also why many of the centrists I talk too have a problem with Dems... ion_theory Sep 2015 #129

Well, the GOP fredamae Sep 2015 #141

To be honest I didn't feel anything but bizarre comedy with ion_theory Sep 2015 #153

I hear ya and loss of faith/trust in the system n/t fredamae Sep 2015 #156

There ya go. in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #58

She said over the weekend she's fine with more debates Doctor_J Sep 2015 #61

Hell, she didn't even say that. She said she's fine with whatever the DNC decides. arcane1 Sep 2015 #74

Maybe she knew this story was going to hit the fan? merrily Sep 2015 #140

She's not demanding them. She's just "fine" with them. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #148

Didn't Hillary recently say she'd do more debates if the DNC allowed? Seems dishonest, merrily Sep 2015 #71

Kick /nt think Sep 2015 #75

cue the Leslie Gore song olddots Sep 2015 #78

She doesn't want�. zentrum Sep 2015 #81

The "Clinton Brand" is more like it. n/t arcane1 Sep 2015 #106

And the party wonder................................. turbinetree Sep 2015 #83

It's the New Exclusvity Clause fredamae Sep 2015 #84

What would happen if all the other candidate just went ahead and held non-DNC Approves debates? bvar22 Sep 2015 #159

No, If the other candidates do that fredamae Sep 2015 #171

No better than election fraud IMO whatchamacallit Sep 2015 #88

First voters need to notice that the Democratic Party actually still exists 99th_Monkey Sep 2015 #98

I can't wait until the debate schedule is debated at the debate Motown_Johnny Sep 2015 #91

It Is Increasingly Clear That HRC Is Unfit To Serve cantbeserious Sep 2015 #100

I have, somewhat reluctantly, started to use the other N-word (Nixon) hifiguy Sep 2015 #107

Fascism started out like this fadedrose Sep 2015 #105

Well said, fadedrose. merrily Sep 2015 #225

Of course he did but so what? Tommy2Tone Sep 2015 #108

She knows if people are exposed to Bernie on a grand scale, she's toast. Vinca Sep 2015 #110

See post #89, above. hifiguy Sep 2015 #115

with 4 debates & 2 candidates that's 4 hrs for each candidate to make their case. Not enough time? Bill USA Sep 2015 #112

Only two candidates? arcane1 Sep 2015 #116

There are 6 candidates. And there are DOZENS of issues that should be discussed think Sep 2015 #128

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #117

So far, it has proven wise to let the greedy, ignorant, racist GOP go first and in prime-time. Hoyt Sep 2015 #121

we don't know that at all. cali Sep 2015 #130

We don't know more debates will help a Democrat get elected, either. We do Hoyt Sep 2015 #142

Not very Democratic. bvar22 Sep 2015 #161

Our democracy benefits from a Democrat in the White House. Debates will not necessarily Hoyt Sep 2015 #163

I agree. bvar22 Sep 2015 #180

Well, Sanders has even less chance, a lot less IMO. Hoyt Sep 2015 #197

LOL! merrily Sep 2015 #231

Bermie & O'Malley should opt out Geronimoe Sep 2015 #122

"Hilllary can debate herself" DirtyHippyBastard Sep 2015 #136

Let her debate herself pinebox Sep 2015 #133

That is what she wants. Let O'Malley and the others pick off Bernie while she is free of merrily Sep 2015 #144

So we come back to the establishment sadoldgirl Sep 2015 #135

You haven't heard, Hillary just announced she's an now "outsider" candidate. 99th_Monkey Sep 2015 #158

Watching Hillary "evolve" is like watching a snake shed its skin. bvar22 Sep 2015 #160

Outsiders are popular this election Mnpaul Sep 2015 #173

. merrily Sep 2015 #221

lol - yep, but not nearly as artfully as Dianna -nt- 99th_Monkey Sep 2015 #229

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #143

I won't vote for her. NowSam Sep 2015 #145

The shamelessness of it all is nauseating. hifiguy Sep 2015 #146

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #151

this needs to be understood by the hilary people restorefreedom Sep 2015 #152

+1000 i agree with your assessment noiretextatique Sep 2015 #182

agreed. she can not get the support restorefreedom Sep 2015 #185

Clinton is, as Kerry was, a corpawn to make sure the RepUkes win. n/t mhatrw Sep 2015 #206

yup. nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #209

What a crock of shit. This is sooooo normal. Darb Sep 2015 #213

then you are free to not watch restorefreedom Sep 2015 #215

I thought this was the Democratic Party, jkbRN Sep 2015 #162

DNC & Hillary Are Corrupt merkins Sep 2015 #165

Actually I am glad that this came out. sadoldgirl Sep 2015 #166

I bet. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #167

Congratulations, Hillary! Not Sure Sep 2015 #174

Frightened of debates? Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #178

SO WHAT??? What front runner of any election would not?? nt Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2015 #181

Hillary is a fighter and she has been fighting all of her political life. And she is the victim of kelliekat44 Sep 2015 #183

Oh Lordie - Just glancing through - this should be renamed "Bernie Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2015 #184

She know's she can't win in a free and open election process, so she does what does, she cheats bowens43 Sep 2015 #189

and THEY GOT FEWER THAN SIX restorefreedom Sep 2015 #190

look, this faction thinks we're damned lucky they let us *vote* on MisterP Sep 2015 #191

I'm a Bernie supporter; I don't see how six debates is too little. C Moon Sep 2015 #198

And I suppose you want them on opposite major sporting events? n/t eridani Sep 2015 #204

On weekends and right before Christmas? n/t mhatrw Sep 2015 #207

Debbie absolutely doesn't have a preferred candidate. Betty Karlson Sep 2015 #199

Remember when Poppy Bush refused to debate his opponents? lbrtbell Sep 2015 #200

What I really don't get is why she doesn't understand that this is going to hurt her if-- eridani Sep 2015 #202

Because it won't hurt her. Darb Sep 2015 #214

Not according to the huge ratings for the two Republican debates so far n/t eridani Sep 2015 #249

OFFS, she's pathetic. BeanMusical Sep 2015 #208

Stop whining about debates. Darb Sep 2015 #211

stop telling people what to do. grab a clue. cali Sep 2015 #223

The debates are an important part of our Democracy d_legendary1 Sep 2015 #233

Why don't you just not read threads about debates? Since you really are not in charge of djean111 Sep 2015 #252

LOL, hillary is that you? What a silly post! Nt Logical Sep 2015 #255

Hillary wants more debates but it is not up to her, it is up to her "camp". GoneFishin Sep 2015 #226

Well, if you can't beat 'em Faux pas Sep 2015 #227

The Oligarchy that runs this country has spoken! ish of the hammer Sep 2015 #228

The "Hillary camp" disdains democracy. They are afraid of the people. senz Sep 2015 #230

one a month is enough. Mrs. Clinton, Sanders and O'Malley need to meet for lunch and talk. Sunlei Sep 2015 #251

This doesn't surprise me kenfrequed Sep 2015 #256