2016 Postmortem

jeff47

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147. We're already beyond that point.

Wed Sep 23, 2015, 10:23 AM

Sep 2015

It costs more to extract and refine tar sands oil than the current price of oil. That has been the case for around a year now.

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BREAKING: Hillary Clinton says she opposes construction of Keystone XL oil pipeline [View all] Catherina Sep 2015 OP

Sounds principled to me. According to many here, she is taking oil company "bribes" and Hoyt Sep 2015 #1

She's a day late and a dollar short -- as usual. n/t nichomachus Sep 2015 #3

How is she "a day late and a dollar short"? Have they started building the pipeline yet??? George II Sep 2015 #77

With all due respect, floriduck Sep 2015 #92

I don't have that answer - why not share that with us? George II Sep 2015 #125

Sometime prior to today but later than her 2010 statement supporting it. floriduck Sep 2015 #131

As usual, great observation from a friend japple Sep 2015 #88

It won't be the first time a politician said one thing when running and another when Skwmom Sep 2015 #5

The party is now united on this vital issue a year before the election. Credit where credit is due. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #28

Kind of like Sanders when he said he was in favor of gun control yet voted.... George II Sep 2015 #79

He voted on a sound principle not to "protect" gun manufactures. raindaddy Sep 2015 #100

He voted for gun control and he voted against the Iraq war, so no, not like that. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #101

So if she does the right thing, some here will still ONLY bash her. randys1 Sep 2015 #7

Do the wrong thing...BASH....the right thing....BASH...thereby losing all credibility on everything. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #24

Putting aside the BASHERS, I do fear the reason she is saying this now is she knows randys1 Sep 2015 #30

Since Obama vetoed the Congressional bill, I doubt you will have any reason to. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #35

That bill was to force the approval. THere is still a chance approval will happen, as far as I know randys1 Sep 2015 #40

Overlooked at DU frequently-no, always Capn Sunshine Sep 2015 #66

BINGO! George II Sep 2015 #95

Who knows. Capn Sunshine Sep 2015 #107

This was a remarkable a change since just the end of this past July. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #136

I posted this in June 2013: Keystone and the Clintons. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #141

To answer my previous question two things we know for certain that have changed since late July Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #145

Some will. That's life. Most will not. Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #84

"Most will not." That certainly isn't the case in this thread. George II Sep 2015 #126

Notice how when these folks are WRONG ... they take credit for stopping ... JoePhilly Sep 2015 #12

Keeps me laughing. Hoyt Sep 2015 #14

If I had a dollar for every time this happened at DU Capn Sunshine Sep 2015 #67

Is Obama the guy who just ok'd drilling in the arctic and then made a speech about the environment? ish of the hammer Sep 2015 #102

Good for her ram2008 Sep 2015 #2

Yep. Maybe she'll catch up by election day. n/t nichomachus Sep 2015 #4

Politicans say a lot of things. Sometimes 2 opposites at once. Catherina Sep 2015 #11

Bernie Sanders is a politician....one who couldn't even decide upon a party until he needed it! George II Sep 2015 #81

Except his message has been consistent while Hillary has been "evolving" her whole career. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #85

The subject is the Keystone XL Pipeline. When was she in favor of it? George II Sep 2015 #94

When you need to evolve on civil rights you can't claim the high ground, Bernie got it right. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #97

Reminder (again) - the subject is the Keystone XL Pipeline, not civil rights. George II Sep 2015 #124

Straw man. Did I say she was in favour of the pipeline? She did say she was inclined to support it. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #127

Catherina made the snide comment about politicians in general, I pointed out that.... George II Sep 2015 #128

Stop telling me what I'm saying, George and stick to what you do know. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #130

She never said she would support it. Period. She also said that she would wait to see what... George II Sep 2015 #133

She said she was inclined to support it. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #135

He voted with the Democrats almost 100% of the time. eom Duval Sep 2015 #116

LOL pinebox Sep 2015 #120

How about that; faking a north wind (from Canada) while helping to privatize the Mexican DhhD Sep 2015 #122

WOW! marym625 Sep 2015 #6

I'm not either. I don't trust her. 840high Sep 2015 #112

Not one iota marym625 Sep 2015 #146

BREAKING: DU finds a way to criticize Clinton for saying the right thing. zappaman Sep 2015 #8

+1. Hoyt Sep 2015 #10

Half of DU will be taking credit for stopping her from doing this evil thing JoePhilly Sep 2015 #15

Easily predicted, you have to admit. If Clinton found the cure for cancer...same treatment as Obama. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #20

Yep! Each one trying to outdo the next one. leftofcool Sep 2015 #58

So predictable lunamagica Sep 2015 #90

Good! nt MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #9

Thank you, Manny. The adult response on a vital issue the entire Party is united on. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #25

Focus groups must have finally come back with her deeply held beliefs. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #13

I personally think that neither she nor Obama want to be left holding the bag. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #144

We're already beyond that point. jeff47 Sep 2015 #147

Yay! She evolved again!! Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #16

It's like watching a snake change it's skin Catherina Sep 2015 #17

Really, did she used to be for it? DanTex Sep 2015 #23

As Secretary of State, she said she was inclined to support it. Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #42

Are you quoting her? Nt Bounzer Sep 2015 #76

...... Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #121

"But we are inclined to do so" beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #123

Glad to finally have an opinion. bunnies Sep 2015 #18

Predicted DU responses: Too little too late. Hope she keeps the promise. She is a weather vane. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #19

It's much easier to predict posts after they've been posted. Back to the Future! merrily Sep 2015 #51

"We forced her to change positions" JoePhilly Sep 2015 #103

woah dang! frylock Sep 2015 #21

And another Hillary-bashing talking point bites the dust. DanTex Sep 2015 #22

And several more motes rise from that dust, as you can read on the thread. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #27

virtually every clinton supporter on DU has told me that she couldn't possibly cali Sep 2015 #26

She needed the poll results from the states in play. n/t Skwmom Sep 2015 #29

UNREC'd...I did Rec........until the edits bashing the decision. Give credit where credit is due is Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #31

now was that so fucking hard? ibegurpard Sep 2015 #32

Good deal. TheKentuckian Sep 2015 #33

Good for her. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #34

No shit ibegurpard Sep 2015 #48

Better late than never n/t arcane1 Sep 2015 #36

TPP is gonna allow it anyway. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #37

that is going to be a biggie restorefreedom Sep 2015 #50

The Great Evolver! bigwillq Sep 2015 #38

Man� MrMickeysMom Sep 2015 #39

lol! nt restorefreedom Sep 2015 #46

Kudos. I compliment her concrete and unwavering opposition. Way to go Hillary Clinton! cherokeeprogressive Sep 2015 #41

I guess she got "tired of waiting" for the white house to act. She sure showed them! magical thyme Sep 2015 #43

Predictable response leftofcool Sep 2015 #59

given her announcement that she was tired of waiting on the white house to take action, etc. yes, magical thyme Sep 2015 #111

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Good !!! (BTW - This Thread Is Hilarious.) WillyT Sep 2015 #45

Good news. MerryBlooms Sep 2015 #47

this cant be making restorefreedom Sep 2015 #49

O'Malley goes after Hillary for following, not leading: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #52

He nailed it n/t Catherina Sep 2015 #53

Yes he did. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #55

The same thought crossed my mind n/t Catherina Sep 2015 #62

Great response by O'M bigwillq Sep 2015 #80

He was right on it too, didn't skip a beat. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #83

I like him. bigwillq Sep 2015 #87

Me too, he's my second choice. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #99

Oh, c'mon. We know where she stands. progressoid Sep 2015 #148

LOL! I never get tired of seeing that here. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #149

The third comment is sexist. Renew Deal Sep 2015 #54

You're joking, right? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #57

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What happened to the dancing girl in your sig line? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #68

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Okay, I take it back. She's not awesome. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #72

This thread.... quickesst Sep 2015 #56

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Oh, but they don't hate her! They just prefer another candidate! lunamagica Sep 2015 #98

That's my take... quickesst Sep 2015 #105

I find HRC's coming out one way or the other on underthematrix Sep 2015 #63

Ruh roh! You know what this means, don't you? tularetom Sep 2015 #64

Exactly. She doesn't oppose it because it's the right thing to do, in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #74

u got it right 840high Sep 2015 #119

Ahhhh Hillary!!! wendylaroux Sep 2015 #65

Ah, yes. She must have gotten word it's not going to be built. in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #69

So glad she's going to be the next President! ismnotwasm Sep 2015 #71

Good news from Hillary if true. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #73

Hillary is basically the Democratic Mitt Romney. askew Sep 2015 #75

I guess her focus groups told her she better oppose it davidn3600 Sep 2015 #78

Public pressure finally got to her campaign. HerbChestnut Sep 2015 #82

Doesn't mean much when she helped spread cracking all over the world jkbRN Sep 2015 #86

credit is due DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #89

Good. yardwork Sep 2015 #91

She had to get past her ham-fisted 'I'll tell you if you elect me' statement CanadaexPat Sep 2015 #93

She stepped all over a major policy announcement CanadaexPat Sep 2015 #137

O'Malley 's remarks are right on point. sadoldgirl Sep 2015 #96

Alternative route Geronimoe Sep 2015 #104

Good. This is the right position, too. nt cyberswede Sep 2015 #106

Because it's no longer economically feasible Fearless Sep 2015 #108

I guess this is a major shift from the, I'll let you know when I'm president campaign strategy to... raindaddy Sep 2015 #109

Bingo. CharlotteVale Sep 2015 #138

She didn't decide until she started dropping in the polls? Omaha Steve Sep 2015 #110

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Copy Cat Fawke Em Sep 2015 #114

Great toon. bigwillq Sep 2015 #118

I am so stealing that! n/t Catherina Sep 2015 #139

Well done Hillary. Now let's rethink that TPP.... n/t ion_theory Sep 2015 #115

Round and round it goes... SoapBox Sep 2015 #117

How about that Clinton foundation cash? pinebox Sep 2015 #129

and the anti - Hillary crowd will still find something wrong with that. Lil Missy Sep 2015 #132

Good for her. MineralMan Sep 2015 #134

Keystone was dead as fossil fuel prices plummeted. malokvale77 Sep 2015 #140

It's on hold anyway because the cost of oil is down Lorien Sep 2015 #142

Darn there goes some more ammo against Hillary workinclasszero Sep 2015 #143