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2016 Postmortem

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pinebox

(5,761 posts)
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 04:30 PM Sep 2015

Why I and many others support Bernie over Hillary [View all]

I thought I'd take some time to write this.
First some background.

I'll be honest, I'm sure I'll get bashed for this but I'm not a Dem, I'm an indy who switched from the Republican party back in the early 90s after attending a Republican rally for HW Bush with some friends who happen to be gay. As a result they were ostracized and makde to feel very unwelcomed. At that point in time, I was already fed up as well.

In 1998 I married a German and moved to Germany. Non military, I lived in the country among Germans. I saw how everything was done and how efficient everything was. I saw a lot which opened my eyes. I lived in cities of several million, like Dortmund, Koeln and Dusseldorf and one thing which struck me as incredible is that I never once ever saw a single homeless person, anywhere at any time, no where. Come to find out, Germany's social system is one of the best. I started to question things and I openly started to research why my own country (America) wasn't like this.

I started following the SPD (Social Democratic Party of Germany) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democratic_Party_of_Germany and saw what they stood for and admired it as it fit with my beliefs. This is where I started my journey.

I think many of us are sick and tired of Washington insiders. I personally see Hillary just that. Sure Bernie has been serving for many years but he's not seen in the same vain as Hillary and he basically doesn't have the controversy of polarization surrounding him that Hillary does.

When I first learned of Bernie Sanders it was roughly 10 years ago. I saw him standing up and fighting for a single payer health care system, something which Hillary has opposed. Whether or not she supports it now is irrelevant to many of us and that is the issue which many have with her, her constant "evolving" (politically correct term for "changing your mind&quot . I think many of us don't want a candidate who's evolving but one is rock solid where they stand and has been for a long time. Bernie is that person, you know exactly where he stands and what he's about.

The whole issue with how Hillary is backed by big banks and Wall Street is also very worrisome. I simply don't think this is what we need today and you throw in the controversy with the DNC only allowing 6 debates and how HRC negotiated for even less, this smells rotten to me.

Personally, I simply don't understand how people can support Hillary when we have a candidate who is truly to the left of her on many issues and is rock solid. I don't get that. I'll be honest, one thing that really worries me is that if Hillary does get the nomination, Dems may lose badly. I don't see her energizing the American public and that shows in her ratings based on likability. It would however energize the GOP base to show up in droves because to them, she's no different than how libs see Palin. (Now don't lambaste me, I'm not saying she is. I've had several cons on twitter say that to me)

I think we face a lot of really huge issues right now as a country and I only see one candidate who can bring us together and that's Bernie. The whole issue of getting money out of politics rings across the aisle with the Tea Party and there are some issues we can come together on as a country. However if Hillary is elected, I fear we'll see stagnation the likes we've never seen before. It's bad enough with the crap the RW pulls with her mow but as POTUS? It would be downright stupid and that simply means we wouldn't accomplish one damn thing as a country.

I suppose after the primaries I'll go back into lurk mode knowing my opinions probably won't be welcomed here. Granted I side with Dems on many issues. For me though, I honestly just have a hard time understanding Hillary supporters and I am bewildered by it all. I just want to shout "she's not Elizabeth Warren!" at the top of my lungs.

I just hope the country goes blue in the end but if Hillary is elected, I think that will be a very tough road to climb.

Cheers all.

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A big, fat K&R! CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2015 #1
Thank you. Very good summary of why we support Bernie. jwirr Sep 2015 #2
Sounds great, but it's too bad he can't beat the GOP in the general. DanTex Sep 2015 #3
dan, good to know restorefreedom Sep 2015 #4
who are these millions of voters who will vote for Hillary, but not Bernie, Doctor_J Sep 2015 #6
Independents and centrists. People who don't like socialism. DanTex Sep 2015 #7
well, liberals are told we have to vote for Mrs wall street because we can't afford to Doctor_J Sep 2015 #9
I said independents and centrists. Dems I think would vote for either nominee. DanTex Sep 2015 #10
Bernie's policies are in align with most of America pinebox Sep 2015 #29
Yeah, but the word "socialism" isn't. DanTex Sep 2015 #30
"Social democrat" pinebox Sep 2015 #31
Sure BUT pinebox Sep 2015 #32
Can you red bait some more - TBF Sep 2015 #37
Democratic socialism. As in social democrats. A party which has been PatrickforO Sep 2015 #16
Yeah, that thing. A lot of people in the US don't like it. DanTex Sep 2015 #18
I'm a Socialist and an Independent. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #24
Not you then. DanTex Sep 2015 #25
I usually vote for Democrats, probably more times than you. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #26
Sulking on another site, I am told. nt artislife Sep 2015 #8
Bernie has appeal across the spectrum, he's more likely to win the general ReallyIAmAnOptimist Sep 2015 #13
No doubt. For Bernie supporters, those are very happy trend lines. PatrickforO Sep 2015 #17
thanks for sharing your story restorefreedom Sep 2015 #5
K&R Paka Sep 2015 #11
Bravo! hifiguy Sep 2015 #12
America is terrified of trying something different.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #14
You remember what Churchill said about us, don't you? PatrickforO Sep 2015 #19
We seem to be stuck on "Reaganomics"..... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #21
Yeah, that's the corporate line. PatrickforO Sep 2015 #23
Which is why we don't let them run things. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #28
I don't have your back story, but I'm for Bernie PatrickforO Sep 2015 #15
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #20
Thanks for the great post, pinebox! tex-wyo-dem Sep 2015 #22
K&R NCTraveler Sep 2015 #27
Thank you pinebox Sep 2015 #33
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #34
K&R n/t Betty Karlson Sep 2015 #35
Same reason I supported Obama in 2008 - TBF Sep 2015 #36
excellent post pinebox. liberal_at_heart Sep 2015 #38
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