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146. May you be correct! K & R ! n/t

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Reality Check: The US appears to be on its way to electing a Self Described Democratic Socialist [View all] sabrina 1 Sep 2015 OP

We still have a long primary to go yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #1

Yes, we do. I hope that the failure of the nasty smears will encourage a more Issues oriented sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #2

True. The debate will be questions that Bernie and Hillary will have to answer yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #4

That's what we need. That's why we need MORE not fewer debates. sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #6

We'll see how the first six go yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #9

You expecting the DNC to use a time machine? jeff47 Sep 2015 #66

I think that if this first debate is a dud yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #67

Because they'll want more duds? jeff47 Sep 2015 #70

Well, SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #133

With Bernie there it definitely won't be a dud. He has a way of getting the people excited sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #85

^^^ this ^^^ malokvale77 Sep 2015 #88

Then it will be too late. Debbie didn't do it in 2014. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #124

Hey! I've got a novel idea! Why don't we have some REAL "debates" Plucketeer Sep 2015 #71

Like the "LWV" use to do? malokvale77 Sep 2015 #89

Bring back the LWV! R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #109

Very good point. We've gotten used to debates that aren't very useful. Jim Lane Sep 2015 #110

It's true, that Bernie seems to have somehow anticipated the kinds of attacks he would get 99th_Monkey Sep 2015 #20

He has been in DC long enough to have seen how they operate. Not to mention how intelligent sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #47

I think we are seeing an awakening... malokvale77 Sep 2015 #53

Like I have said before. WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2015 #63

Yes the message is clear... malokvale77 Sep 2015 #80

And that's the message that needs to go out. n/t WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2015 #114

That indeed is the message. malokvale77 Sep 2015 #130

I'm sorry about your SO malokvale! sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #160

We will all roar together. WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2015 #178

Yes, we are, not just here, but around the world in any place where neocon/lib policies have sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #72

Absolutely... malokvale77 Sep 2015 #82

"Failures of the nasty smears?" ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2015 #79

You continue to try to disparage the "hard left", yet fail to ever define exactly rhett o rick Sep 2015 #86

I don't fail to define it, the definition is crystal clear ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2015 #143

There is no such thing as... malokvale77 Sep 2015 #91

Conservative Dems really are nothing less than liberal Republicans to me...IMHO. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #111

... SammyWinstonJack Sep 2015 #135

Lol, the irony of that comment cracked me up! sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #145

You're laughing at yourself? ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2015 #162

Smears vs Issues malokvale77 Sep 2015 #84

Yes, which is why Hillary's pet DWS put off first debate til mid October, hoping Bernie would fizzle peacebird Sep 2015 #104

Good OP Babel_17 Sep 2015 #3

Maybe, but facts never got in the way of smear campaigners. I believe it was dropped when sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #5

Yeah, I was alluding to that as well Babel_17 Sep 2015 #11

He's the same age as Biden, and I haven't heard that about Biden. n/t libdem4life Sep 2015 #14

Well, yes, so they had to let go of that particular meme. I laughed when I saw it knowing it sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #49

Don't you just love it when that happens? I mean those were BIG six years between he and Hillary. libdem4life Sep 2015 #184

Not only that, but when they started thrashing people who were part of the Civil Rights Movement sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #185

I can't wait. President Sanders. Such a lovely ring to it n/t Catherina Sep 2015 #7

Can I observe that all the focus has been on polling in two States. brooklynite Sep 2015 #8

Bernie says money doesn't matter and he should be trusted yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #10

Bernie has never run a national campaign... brooklynite Sep 2015 #13

Doesn't matter. Bernie has a plan that does not include money yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #15

Only certain people can afford experimenting with USSC nominations, it's not everyone in America uponit7771 Sep 2015 #166

Yawn artislife Sep 2015 #46

Hillary has and she ended up in debt airc. Millions in debt despite all the donations she received. sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #50

Why yes indeed... malokvale77 Sep 2015 #93

nor did obama juxtaposed Sep 2015 #101

IN the 2004 Illinois Senate race, he got 3.5 million votes... brooklynite Sep 2015 #119

yes & hrc got her delegates handed to her juxtaposed Sep 2015 #120

Hilary has. She blew it. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #113

and by "blew it", you mean got as many votes as Obama did? brooklynite Sep 2015 #117

I guess that's why she is the POTUS now? R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #177

From personal experience, SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #138

Hillary says she opposes money in politics and we should trust that she means that, yet sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #27

To hell with policies!! We need a candidate who can raise tons of money!! RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #16

Yes, we do...to be competitive when he rolls out the policies. brooklynite Sep 2015 #18

And yet you still maintain that we have a democracy. RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #21

I maintain that we have reality... brooklynite Sep 2015 #30

You may claim to live in "reality," but your reality is not a democracy RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #33

So the election of Barack Obama was not "democratic"? brooklynite Sep 2015 #35

If you're using that election as the gold standard, you're on pretty shaky ground RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #42

I have no problem with those appointments if Obama was the candidate the voters wanted... brooklynite Sep 2015 #45

I'm pretty sure the voters... malokvale77 Sep 2015 #96

Well said RufusTFirefly malokvale77 Sep 2015 #95

All that SuperPAC money didn't seem to help Scott Walker very much . . . markpkessinger Sep 2015 #60

If Hillary Clinton were at <1% you might have a point... brooklynite Sep 2015 #68

Scotty Walker wasn't at <1% when he got the money. Just sayin'. truebluegreen Sep 2015 #77

Bernie is proving that to be wrong! So what now? No need for Super Pacs funded by Corporate Dark sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #29

How naive to think that the tons of money doesn't comes with strings. Those that donate the tons of rhett o rick Sep 2015 #118

You are so funny (not). malokvale77 Sep 2015 #131

Well, I'll tell you...I'm afraid he'll lose brooklynite Sep 2015 #139

Fear is so paralyzing. PuraVidaDreamin Sep 2015 #142

But you think... malokvale77 Sep 2015 #144

Yes, I DO think so... brooklynite Sep 2015 #151

Well it seems to me... malokvale77 Sep 2015 #156

yours is the obvious point questionseverything Sep 2015 #171

The current crop of Republicans is pathetic Alittleliberal Sep 2015 #154

Then let me put your fears to rest. See here: sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #158

...in one State. brooklynite Sep 2015 #165

Polls are showing that is not just two states anymore. Now we are seeing polls showing him sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #22

How much money did Truman have? 840high Sep 2015 #55

You can observe that Bernie has 1/10th the money of Hillary yet looks more and more A Simple Game Sep 2015 #58

Ha Ha Ha... malokvale77 Sep 2015 #92

If the polling in those 2 states was showing your candidate ahead, you would be touting it as Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #100

Not me, not if it was a repeat of 08... which it looks like Sanders is repeating Hillarys 08 run uponit7771 Sep 2015 #164

No, that's an honest observation and those aren't allowed... notice the responses uponit7771 Sep 2015 #163

He's within ten points nationally, and the two states are early primaries. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #167

Thanks, Sabrina sadoldgirl Sep 2015 #12

We need at least 24 million to watch. yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #17

No it doesn't. zappaman Sep 2015 #19

When you can't beat Bernie attack his supporters instead, talk about amateurish. Vincardog Sep 2015 #52

Uh huh. zappaman Sep 2015 #56

Only state polls matter in the primaries. malokvale77 Sep 2015 #102

People like Clinton in the abstract. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #23

Capitalism isn't working... KansDem Sep 2015 #24

K&R...and Hillary's Role at SOS reveals this: KoKo Sep 2015 #81

Self interest anyone? malokvale77 Sep 2015 #108

Well, that's not good. Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #168

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #25

K&R CharlotteVale Sep 2015 #26

Don't count your chickies in IOWA yet....PPP poll Sept 22 Clinton 43; Sanders 22 riversedge Sep 2015 #28

The OP is being selective in which polls advance her narrative. That's her right to promote her Metric System Sep 2015 #37

chuckle. yes we do . riversedge Sep 2015 #54

I would not count on Bernie winning NH either. leftofcool Sep 2015 #39

Many didn't count on Obama winning IA or NH, but those two states have proven they like horse races ancianita Sep 2015 #51

Hillary won NH in 2008 riversedge Sep 2015 #57

After crying. Remember that reaction? They'll still likely allow Sanders a run to Super Tuesday. ancianita Sep 2015 #59

I remember the reaction. It was disgusting. riversedge Sep 2015 #65

Yet pollong shows she is losing it to Bernie now peacebird Sep 2015 #106

Excellent post Sabrina. 99Forever Sep 2015 #31

K/R Jack Rabbit Sep 2015 #32

Pushback tooeyeten Sep 2015 #34

No doubt he will become the incarnation of Joseph Stalin before they're done with him. YOHABLO Sep 2015 #128

And worse, n/t tooeyeten Sep 2015 #176

We can push back harder, there ARE more of us than there are of them. And so far, the people's sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #174

If tooeyeten Sep 2015 #175

Yes, we know that. But what we need even more as Sanders has repeatedly stated and what is probably sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #179

I'm not so hopeful for now tooeyeten Sep 2015 #186

Well, Democrats are not going to do it, it will be a cross section of the people, and that is what sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #187

Polls are all over the place. You're simply selecting the most favorable ones. Metric System Sep 2015 #36

"You're simply selecting the most favorable ones". malokvale77 Sep 2015 #112

Of course not. Metric System Sep 2015 #121

Well, I'm not finding any unfavorable ones. He's been trending upwards since he entered the race and sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #161

Bernie will fall apart in the debates left-of-center2012 Sep 2015 #38

lol juxtaposed Sep 2015 #103

rec x 10 restorefreedom Sep 2015 #40

Excellent post! Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #41

Lol, but they don't learn! Instead of backing off seeing how much the public is ON to them now, they sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #61

As low as necessary. Some seem to relish in going even lower just for shits. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #73

Yay! whatchamacallit Sep 2015 #43

Oh...My...Gawd! SoapBox Sep 2015 #44

GREAT OP. Way to lay out the primary issues and opponents! Flog them with truth! ancianita Sep 2015 #48

Way to go ancianita malokvale77 Sep 2015 #123

... ancianita Sep 2015 #141

Thanks, Sabrina -- great post! n/t markpkessinger Sep 2015 #62

Great post, Sabrina ... Trajan Sep 2015 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Sep 2015 #69

..."Bernie's supporters are hurting his cause"... sibelian Sep 2015 #74

The 'Bernie supporter garbage' is just an obvious Corporate funded think tank desperate attempt to sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #75

Note that the WSJ poll showed 33% of voters' biggest worry truebluegreen Sep 2015 #76

Yes, he's a smart man, did his homework, not to mention he has witnessed the corruption first hand. sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #83

K&R! excellent post! n/t in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #78

Geez, Sanders has the support of 10-15% of the electorate and you are having an inaugeration party. Persondem Sep 2015 #87

Like Hillary did in the past year? nt Tommymac Sep 2015 #97

Lol, didn't click the link to the polls but no matter, even those polls don't reflect Sanders sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #98

What the hell... malokvale77 Sep 2015 #125

Excellent post, sabrina! Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #90

Well said, Sabrina. Thank you! senz Sep 2015 #94

Damn! Links and Issues and Information! Great OP! Thanks sabrina 1 Tommymac Sep 2015 #99

Reality check. RandySF Sep 2015 #105

Reality Check. bernie Sanders will be the next President of the USA. See, I can do it too! peacebird Sep 2015 #107

Nostradamus disagrees Art_from_Ark Sep 2015 #126

Because... malokvale77 Sep 2015 #127

It is VERY early. He can't win the nomination nor the presidency as a self described socialist. RBInMaine Sep 2015 #115

Looks like the American people don't agree with that old Cold Warrior 'fifties logic. The sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #134

Yep. It's very early. Means things can change. And are. nt SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #136

options 1,2 and 4 in that WSJ poll equal 70% of voters and their #1 worry virtualobserver Sep 2015 #116

I was so excited when he announced he would run. Paka Sep 2015 #122

Those that are petrified to fight for their rights are not recognizing that not all Americans are rhett o rick Sep 2015 #129

It was kind of telling... malokvale77 Sep 2015 #132

The question is, why are any democrats NOT supporting him Doctor_J Sep 2015 #137

Perhaps you should ask President Kucinich... brooklynite Sep 2015 #140

Thanks for reminding me. That was before the people knew what that dark money was buying. That was sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #148

You believe, seriously, that absent "smear campaigns" Kucinich had a real chance to win? brooklynite Sep 2015 #150

No, I don't 'believe it' I know it. Kucinich was a great politician with the guts to speak out on sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #152

Forget it. She's on a roll. zappaman Sep 2015 #155

May you be correct! K & R ! n/t xocet Sep 2015 #146

Wooooo! You go, Sabrina! Old Crow Sep 2015 #147

Bernie vadermike Sep 2015 #149

Great news about your mom's retirement community. His only hurdle now is to get all those who still sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #153

What are the Super Tuesday states? Duckfan Sep 2015 #157

These 11 states: ColesCountyDem Sep 2015 #169

Many in the country have not been introduced to the Dem candidates, still waiting for the ... slipslidingaway Sep 2015 #159

KICKING it! John Poet Sep 2015 #170

Winning the GE treestar Sep 2015 #172

Lol, I guess you haven't been paying attention at all to how Bernie and his supporters have dealt sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #183

I love and will vote for yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #173

Me too, yuiyoshida! sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #181

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Sep 2015 #180

What we have are the 'New Democrats' Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #182