2016 Postmortem

Doctor_J

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24. If you think the party is in better condition now than it was before the dlc,

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Sun Sep 27, 2015, 02:08 PM

Sep 2015

I'm pretty sure that trying to convince you is hopeless

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The DLC was started because we kept losing the White House [View all] Recursion Sep 2015 OP

They wanted a powerful president... madfloridian Sep 2015 #1

The dlc has benefitted one group SwampG8r Sep 2015 #2

Well, other than gays, women, minorities... Recursion Sep 2015 #5

What a load SwampG8r Sep 2015 #7

Bill Clinton did what it took to win and then did what he could to govern Recursion Sep 2015 #14

Or doma or don't ask don't tell or welfare reform or more prison for.poc through SwampG8r Sep 2015 #17

DADT was a huge step forward Recursion Sep 2015 #18

If the price of staying in office for bill Clinton was SwampG8r Sep 2015 #22

Since they would have overridden anyways how are you worse off? Recursion Sep 2015 #23

I guess you are saying vote.for.Clinton and let the GOP.screw.you? SwampG8r Sep 2015 #26

It would have been a rallying point that the stands were made. Ken Burch Sep 2015 #76

Signing DOMA and the welfare bill was not better than being overridden. Ken Burch Sep 2015 #75

He (and DLC) enthusiastically embraced GOP crap Armstead Sep 2015 #49

The point is, we didn't have to accept every GOP slur on the poor(as Clinton always did) Ken Burch Sep 2015 #74

Bunk MrTriumph Sep 2015 #3

You're right; the blowouts started in 72. You're wrong about W Recursion Sep 2015 #4

W LOST reddread Sep 2015 #6

I said that Recursion Sep 2015 #8

in for a penny in for a pound reddread Sep 2015 #10

Did you even read my OP? Recursion Sep 2015 #12

you want to justify wall street money because elections get stolen? reddread Sep 2015 #13

Would you rather just give up? Surrender? Recursion Sep 2015 #15

No we don't want to surrender and by your avatar, neither do you artislife Sep 2015 #58

perhaps the problem is your estimation of other Americans? reddread Sep 2015 #73

But Jimmy Carter won 1976. So the 'blowouts' were Reagan, Reagan and Bush. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #33

And '72 Recursion Sep 2015 #37

Bunk wyldwolf Sep 2015 #59

Look at the popular vote. MrTriumph Sep 2015 #67

I did. It was very close, like I said wyldwolf Sep 2015 #69

Still Dems have won the popular vote One of the 99 Sep 2015 #71

That's true wyldwolf Sep 2015 #77

For someone who repeatedly claims they are NOT a New Dem TM99 Sep 2015 #9

Yes, winning is what matters Recursion Sep 2015 #11

I know ethics, congruency, consideration, and other concepts are de passe TM99 Sep 2015 #19

Winning with the right candidates and positions matter Scootaloo Sep 2015 #64

+1 any appearance that the groups listed actually gained jwirr Sep 2015 #31

And your point about (1) is not going away Recursion Sep 2015 #40

BOOM!!! haikugal Sep 2015 #53

And now we've made huge losses in congress and the states, so our presidents have to enact Doctor_J Sep 2015 #16

And Nixon had to face a hugely D Congress Recursion Sep 2015 #20

Yes, but Nixon gave us such things as the EPA. TM99 Sep 2015 #21

Nixon vetoed the Clean Water Act and it passed on an override. cheapdate Sep 2015 #32

Whoosh! TM99 Sep 2015 #34

It was clearly recognized in the OP that the the strategy cheapdate Sep 2015 #50

We are talking past each other. TM99 Sep 2015 #52

Agreed! cheapdate Sep 2015 #55

If you think the party is in better condition now than it was before the dlc, Doctor_J Sep 2015 #24

. Teamster Jeff Sep 2015 #25

Many roads are paved with fine intentions. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #27

Well, I'm suggesting the electoral argument still has some validity Recursion Sep 2015 #28

DLC was created to get Democrats back in the White House. Joe Turner Sep 2015 #29

Could be Recursion Sep 2015 #30

They saw the money swing with Reagan. They wanted their own. We were sacrificed. mmonk Sep 2015 #35

Excellent post. Winning is hugely important. cheapdate Sep 2015 #36

I have read this whole thread. Is this really what your OM jwirr Sep 2015 #38

Why would you think that? Recursion Sep 2015 #39

You are very vocal on this issue and assumed that you would jwirr Sep 2015 #41

Why would you assume that? Recursion Sep 2015 #42

Super Tuesday and DLC were started to counter the NE Liberal poobahship HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #43

wasn't super tuesday specifically so Carter would beat Udall? (nt) Recursion Sep 2015 #44

The first super tuesday was in 1988 HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #45

I've heard it used about '76 Recursion Sep 2015 #46

Surely dreamed of sometime earlier, the first super tuesday was in '88 HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #70

MY short response: They Threw the Baby Out with the Bathwater Armstead Sep 2015 #47

AND they simlutaneously adopted DAMIEN! HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #48

LOL Armstead Sep 2015 #51

the DLC kept the democrats alivE DURING THE REAGAN REVOLUTION. ZOMBIE reagan is DYING. pansypoo53219 Sep 2015 #54

Why didn't they legislate money out moondust Sep 2015 #56

Just finished my Official DLC survey. 99Forever Sep 2015 #57

Umm jfern Sep 2015 #60

Did anybody even try anything different? More Debates!!! highprincipleswork Sep 2015 #61

And isolationism was bad, because Hitler. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #62

That is the history PowerToThePeople Sep 2015 #63

it was a DEM version "southern strategy" because of the Jesse Jackson candidacy. m-lekktor Sep 2015 #65

I don't know, probably. I personally am not a fan of welfare. Not at all. However, NYCButterfinger Sep 2015 #66

There were problems with AFDC but it was a better program than TANF Recursion Sep 2015 #68

Sell your soul to stay in power Fearless Sep 2015 #72