2016 Postmortem

Plucketeer

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126. Spot on! To all you've said here

Sun Sep 27, 2015, 07:13 PM

Sep 2015

I'm no great seer, but some years ago it dawned on me that what progress WE ARE making on social issues - while certainly important - is NOT the real meat of the change we held out hope for.

How's that old line go??? "Follow the Money"??? WHO is paying the way for these candidates? When you sort that out, you can discern who's gonna have our best interests at heart.

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After watching Meet Press Clinton interview, I realized something [View all] Armstead Sep 2015 OP

OK, I'll say it: "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!" nt antigop Sep 2015 #1

Agree. The Third Way are conservatives that figured out that they were having a hard rhett o rick Sep 2015 #87

I don;t know if its "hire" or "bully" or a combination of both, but..... Armstead Sep 2015 #90

The worst part is that some are so focused on social justice they ignore the rhett o rick Sep 2015 #106

Personally I think they're one and the same ultimately. Armstead Sep 2015 #109

Exactly. Why not support a candidate that will work for social justice as well as economic justice? rhett o rick Sep 2015 #119

Spot on! To all you've said here Plucketeer Sep 2015 #126

Like I have said before. WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2015 #134

If we could get all of these supporters of their pet issues such as LGBT, environment, immigration, Dustlawyer Sep 2015 #148

+1 a whole bunch! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #158

Hillary Is In Bed With The Bush Family billhicks76 Sep 2015 #153

PLUS ONE, a huge bunch! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #103

Well said, EOM The Green Manalishi Sep 2015 #162

You may have pointed out one of Hillary's main disadvantages. Motown_Johnny Sep 2015 #2

That's a good point, and a big part of why Hillary frustrates us. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #165

Enough is Enough!! haikugal Sep 2015 #3

Here, here! And Bernie will make sure we get real economic equality in this country. Hillary's banker friends and other Clinton Foundation donors should be worried. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2015 #37

Sanders and Warren would be great haikugal Sep 2015 #42

There will be a tidal wave of support for Bernie as President, but having Elizabeth on the ticket will greatly help in that effort. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2015 #49

No doubt...I'm just not sure we can afford to lose her voice. haikugal Sep 2015 #54

Disagree. Not for the GE. There Bernie needs a younger, more "typical" VP. senz Sep 2015 #120

Sanders-O'Malley might be good. Admiral Loinpresser Sep 2015 #111

I could go for that. Armstead Sep 2015 #115

Yes we do. 840high Sep 2015 #133

Talk around the edges of truth, offer no specifics, NorthCarolina Sep 2015 #4

That is a great way to put it. They_Live Sep 2015 #15

You nailed that! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #105

Another one out of the park, Armstead. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #5

Great post. Baitball Blogger Sep 2015 #6

She makes a better private citizen than public servant. AppalachianAmerican Sep 2015 #7

Very well put! I concur! cheapdate Sep 2015 #8

Thank you. They are banking on the listener to put their own jwirr Sep 2015 #9

I am glad that the rights of over half the population is fluff to you dsc Sep 2015 #10

But that is exactly the point. TM99 Sep 2015 #17

DLC-style Democrats don't help with that either. jeff47 Sep 2015 #32

during the period of time she was in the Senate nothing was accomplished in that regard dsc Sep 2015 #39

So is she Bill Clinton or not? jeff47 Sep 2015 #48

nicely said.... ish of the hammer Sep 2015 #118

It's not fluff -- It's central Armstead Sep 2015 #53

I work two hours a day at U-Haul mostly to walk but I'm not too proud to take my peanuts roguevalley Sep 2015 #125

And that point was made over and over Duppers Sep 2015 #147

Yes, yes, yes... of course you posted that. sibelian Sep 2015 #55

CLINTON = WALL STREET ...... SANDERS = MAIN STREET Indepatriot Sep 2015 #11

We are feeling the Bern because hootinholler Sep 2015 #12

Like I have said before. WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2015 #135

"But the Third Way Democrats either encouraged it" - Hillary doesn't want you to know that she whereisjustice Sep 2015 #13

Very well said and I totally agree! haikugal Sep 2015 #26

PLUS ONE, a huge bunch! Wow! Well said! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #108

Very well said. I agree with you. nt stillwaiting Sep 2015 #14

When I think about this statement. onecaliberal Sep 2015 #16

I think the system is going to need big changes in the future. Live and Learn Sep 2015 #18

I Think I Will Island Deac Sep 2015 #19

You've got that right! Third way economic policy has gotten totally out of hand. Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #23

yup yup...I'm sick of the Third Way. There's only ONE way...Bernie's way or the highway! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2015 #38

Well after 56 posts, I guess it's just not comfortable for you Armstead Sep 2015 #58

Are you stomping your feet? chervilant Sep 2015 #76

Buh bye elehhhhna Sep 2015 #137

Yes you are correct. And it's way passed time to get "out of hand". For 40 years the conservative rhett o rick Sep 2015 #150

Areed - ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, and just another form of "trickle-down" highprincipleswork Sep 2015 #20

+100%! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #110

Very, very well put! dorkzilla Sep 2015 #21

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #22

Is that you Joe Biden? haha...thanks for the support! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2015 #40

Can't recommend this enough. Thanks Armstead. You articulated what is wrong Cleita Sep 2015 #24

Could not agree more Gmak Sep 2015 #25

But you have to realize, these are major changes that have taken time. But, I agree with everyone here...the time is NOW!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2015 #43

I agree completely. Vinca Sep 2015 #27

Yea, women's right, gay rights, children all fluffy happy talk leftofcool Sep 2015 #28

They want to talk about 'safe' things AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #31

safe things dsc Sep 2015 #41

NO ONE is saying ignore those things Armstead Sep 2015 #65

+1! "It is possible to walk and chew gum at the same time." Enthusiast Sep 2015 #112

that's not the point. Where is her passion? Where is her anger at the outrages of the Bush years? Fast Walker 52 Sep 2015 #44

Looks like that is exactly the point. leftofcool Sep 2015 #51

Only if you're into false equivalence. haikugal Sep 2015 #56

Its the point....... if you want to close one eye and turn your head halfway Armstead Sep 2015 #67

Excellent thread and discussion, thank you saidsimplesimon Sep 2015 #159

No. Fluffy happy talk is where HILLARY stands. sibelian Sep 2015 #60

And you just doubled down on your statement. leftofcool Sep 2015 #77

Which statement would that be? sibelian Sep 2015 #79

Why donlt you try reading the full OP? Armstead Sep 2015 #63

You still don't get it do you? leftofcool Sep 2015 #78

Feel free to explain "it". sibelian Sep 2015 #80

Why don't you explain "it" to me? Armstead Sep 2015 #82

Make a deal with you. Armstead Sep 2015 #107

Do you really think the Oligarchy (like Goldman-Sachs) cares about women's rights, rhett o rick Sep 2015 #113

I am always amazed how one dimensional this kind of response is. roguevalley Sep 2015 #127

If tooeyeten Sep 2015 #29

Here, lemme help translate your post. jeff47 Sep 2015 #35

LOL tooeyeten Sep 2015 #93

you're just another person with an opinion and a position. If you have no crystal ball, your roguevalley Sep 2015 #128

Hardly pinebox Sep 2015 #36

I agree that Hillary is a much easier target for the GOP than Bernie Fast Walker 52 Sep 2015 #45

Factually tooeyeten Sep 2015 #94

I think the surest way to guarantee a Republican in the White House... Old Crow Sep 2015 #59

I agree...and she's just a lousy candidate. CanadaexPat Sep 2015 #73

I don't think that's accurate. I think the problem is that she defends like a lawyer instead-- eridani Sep 2015 #154

Potential for female POTUS and tooeyeten Sep 2015 #172

Obama tooeyeten Sep 2015 #95

You make a really good point... Old Crow Sep 2015 #98

I dont think the GOP will pick anyone who can beat Hillary, Bernie, or O'Malley. Or webb 7962 Sep 2015 #142

You're right tooeyeten Sep 2015 #171

Hillary equals the establishment and status quo Geronimoe Sep 2015 #30

exactamundo Fast Walker 52 Sep 2015 #46

i have yet to recover from Bushco noiretextatique Sep 2015 #140

That's it, in a nutshell. cer7711 Sep 2015 #33

Great points! pinebox Sep 2015 #34

Your analysis is wrong because it lacks perspective and context. We're in a Hortensis Sep 2015 #47

Day 293 of America Held Hostage Fumesucker Sep 2015 #57

Oh, yeah. Nixon, Reagan, Bush, some really nasty plays. Hortensis Sep 2015 #64

They sound the same now as then.... haikugal Sep 2015 #75

I disagree with your assessment Armstead Sep 2015 #81

Armstead, you can ignore history, but virtually the ENTIRE PLANET Hortensis Sep 2015 #91

I lived through it and I paid attention too. They helped to CREATE that environment Armstead Sep 2015 #96

Armstead, they spoke out. Loudly. But America was tired of them. Hortensis Sep 2015 #97

Maybe during the 80's there was sort of an excuse Armstead Sep 2015 #102

You are so right on that. Utopian Leftist Sep 2015 #124

frankly, being old and watching it all, I would say that the reason dems got slagged is because roguevalley Sep 2015 #129

You're right about fighters...win or lose you fight back, fight for what is right...fight for the haikugal Sep 2015 #138

I want to see that she is angry about something, some sense of outrage Fast Walker 52 Sep 2015 #50

she lost her shit when Obama wouldn't accept her apology. roguevalley Sep 2015 #130

what apology? Fast Walker 52 Sep 2015 #141

It takes a village to divert Americans' attention from vast wealth inequality. nt merrily Sep 2015 #52

lol, or as I like to say, Hillary is ready to help Wall Street take our villages :-) whereisjustice Sep 2015 #66

All your base are belong to her! merrily Sep 2015 #71

:-) :-) :-) :-) whereisjustice Sep 2015 #74

^^ this nt artislife Sep 2015 #83

it takes a village to prop up corporations noiretextatique Sep 2015 #139

K&R. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #61

The Clinton's have become very rich supporting the very economy that's destroying the middle class. raindaddy Sep 2015 #62

Wait... she WILL address the system. For a $250,000 speaking fee. whereisjustice Sep 2015 #72

When you are beholden to the corporations for your donations... Javaman Sep 2015 #68

When you are beholden to the corporations for your donations... Javaman Sep 2015 #70

I would say they encouraged it hfojvt Sep 2015 #84

The problem is systemic - the "rules" of capitalism are the problem. reformist2 Sep 2015 #85

That's a bigger question than I'm aiming at Armstead Sep 2015 #89

You're probably right on your first point... AOR Sep 2015 #100

Well it's a constant struggle Armstead Sep 2015 #104

Well...it's never good to be excessively dour Armstead... AOR Sep 2015 #131

Most people here still think capitalism can be saved Cheese Sandwich Sep 2015 #152

Re-regulate (as in the New Deal) or abolish? One thing I think we can agree on-- eridani Sep 2015 #155

The human race is nothing more than a commodity to be exploited under capitalism... AOR Sep 2015 #166

It's hard to get liberals into socialism because it takes a certain amount of looking into it. Cheese Sandwich Sep 2015 #167

Liberalism is capitalism... AOR Sep 2015 #169

Yep. We don't need another New Deal - we need a New Game. reformist2 Sep 2015 #170

+1 and well said... AOR Sep 2015 #92

HRC let Chuck Toad completely control the interview, compared to Bernie who shut him down pronto! dmosh42 Sep 2015 #86

Sorry to say this, but Enough is NOT Enough RoccoR5955 Sep 2015 #88

Third Way Democrats encouraged it Joe Turner Sep 2015 #99

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #101

I heartily agree. Duval Sep 2015 #114

"The soft and fluffy side of liberalism" is the easy way to manipulate the public. senz Sep 2015 #116

Yep. Keep fishing the drowning kids out of the river. But don't dare even ask-- eridani Sep 2015 #156

Very well said, excellent post. mountain grammy Sep 2015 #117

k&r! nt Hatchling Sep 2015 #121

K&R Paka Sep 2015 #122

Republicans invoke the same images of family and a happier time too..... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #123

Perhaps the Dem debates were postponed to protect the TPP not just Hillary stuffmatters Sep 2015 #132

Thank you. Very important point. senz Sep 2015 #168

+ 1,000,000,000 - What You Said !!! WillyT Sep 2015 #136

Is NeoLiberalism another word for Libertarian? Thanks for the OP. K&R Hiraeth Sep 2015 #143

knr. Third way Dems encouraged others because they failed to sound an alarm ... slipslidingaway Sep 2015 #144

I am voting for Bernie..... Jenny_92808 Sep 2015 #145

Agreed. It would be better to put the car in "Drive," but if we can't do that-- eridani Sep 2015 #157

One Of The Main Reasons I'm Supporting Bernie! ChiciB1 Sep 2015 #146

+1! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #149

Bravo! Kilgore Sep 2015 #151

Now that's a good post. harun Sep 2015 #160

K&R The more shareholders Wall St has, the less of chance Bernie does. nt raouldukelives Sep 2015 #161

Well, You're Right! But Vote For Hillary, Anyway? NonMetro Sep 2015 #163

I would quadruple rec this if I could marym625 Sep 2015 #164