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In reply to the discussion: The racist and anti-Semitic plays coming from Bernie haters are just a repeat of 2008 [View all]beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)251. So you're still claiming that accusations of divided loyalty aren't anti-Semitic?
Since you didn't bother to respond in my thread I'll just repost this info here so that people can see what it is you're defending, because it's not me you're disagreeing with:
Dog Whistles- an Anti-Semitism Primer (a timely repost)
There are really four classic anti-Semitic themes that have been for centuries to justify mass murder, mass expulsion, or both. They are that Jews have control the world's media, that Jews have an international conspiracy to control the world's money, that Jews join national governments and undermine them from within for their own purposes, and the "blood libel," a claim that Jews use the blood of Gentiles, usually children, to bake their Passover matzoh. Below I will try to define each of them, discuss their history, and explain why they remain important to this very day.
BLOOD LIBEL
Let me start with the last, the "blood libel." There are a couple of different forms of the blood libel. One is that Jews drink Christian or Muslim blood outright, and the other is that Jews use Christian or Muslim blood in matzoh. This is a slander with a long and inglorious history. The first iteration was the the story of William of Norwich, recorded in the Peterborough Chronicle. This story from 1144 alleged that a boy, William of Norwich, was kidnapped by Jews, tied to a cross, stabbed in the head to stimulate Jesus' crown of thorns, and killed. His blood was drunk and used in matzoh. This story was a rumor and the Jews were vindicated by five different Popes, but the legend lived on. But it was more than a legend. It was an excuse for slaughter and mayhem.
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Jewish Disloyalty
The most famous example of this theme is the German post-WWI theme of the "stab in the back."
The Stab in the Back myth claimed that the German Army was victorious along the battle lines, but suffered a "stab in the back" from disloyal Jews. I hope I need not go into any detail as to where this led.
At the same time Hitler was exercising his Final Solution, Jews were being sent to Siberia by the Soviets. Jewish disloyalty has been a common theme throughout Russian history, and led to the pogroms of the late 19th century.
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Jewish Bankers
This one flows from history, and can be seen throughout history. The "Jewish money-lender" is the central figure in The Merchant of Venice, and actually has some historic validity. You see, usury was considered unChristian (remember Jesus and the money-lenders) and was therefore illegal for Christians. That put people trying to pay for wars or put in new crops (which would not generate cash until the harvest was in) in a difficult position, as nobody was willing to lend money without interest. From this came a fairly common theme- Kings and nobles borrowed money from Jews, paid the interest as long as they thought they needed access to more money, then took all the Jews' property, prosecuted them for usery, or expelled them from the country. Another variation was simply declaring the Jews themselves property of the State.
...
Jew control the media
This one seems to come directly from The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. It was enhanced and reprinted by Ford in "The International Jew." Father Charles Coughlin used his enormous radio following to perpetrate these lies.
Claims that Jews run the media are common today. That alone might be a generalization based upon ownership and participation at a rate higher than the percentage of Jewish population. But "Jews control the media" is only the first half of the claim. The other half is "... and they use that control for their own evil ends."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/01/01/678869/-Dog-Whistles-an-Anti-Semitism-Primer-a-timely-repost
There are really four classic anti-Semitic themes that have been for centuries to justify mass murder, mass expulsion, or both. They are that Jews have control the world's media, that Jews have an international conspiracy to control the world's money, that Jews join national governments and undermine them from within for their own purposes, and the "blood libel," a claim that Jews use the blood of Gentiles, usually children, to bake their Passover matzoh. Below I will try to define each of them, discuss their history, and explain why they remain important to this very day.
BLOOD LIBEL
Let me start with the last, the "blood libel." There are a couple of different forms of the blood libel. One is that Jews drink Christian or Muslim blood outright, and the other is that Jews use Christian or Muslim blood in matzoh. This is a slander with a long and inglorious history. The first iteration was the the story of William of Norwich, recorded in the Peterborough Chronicle. This story from 1144 alleged that a boy, William of Norwich, was kidnapped by Jews, tied to a cross, stabbed in the head to stimulate Jesus' crown of thorns, and killed. His blood was drunk and used in matzoh. This story was a rumor and the Jews were vindicated by five different Popes, but the legend lived on. But it was more than a legend. It was an excuse for slaughter and mayhem.
...
Jewish Disloyalty
The most famous example of this theme is the German post-WWI theme of the "stab in the back."
The Stab in the Back myth claimed that the German Army was victorious along the battle lines, but suffered a "stab in the back" from disloyal Jews. I hope I need not go into any detail as to where this led.
At the same time Hitler was exercising his Final Solution, Jews were being sent to Siberia by the Soviets. Jewish disloyalty has been a common theme throughout Russian history, and led to the pogroms of the late 19th century.
...
Jewish Bankers
This one flows from history, and can be seen throughout history. The "Jewish money-lender" is the central figure in The Merchant of Venice, and actually has some historic validity. You see, usury was considered unChristian (remember Jesus and the money-lenders) and was therefore illegal for Christians. That put people trying to pay for wars or put in new crops (which would not generate cash until the harvest was in) in a difficult position, as nobody was willing to lend money without interest. From this came a fairly common theme- Kings and nobles borrowed money from Jews, paid the interest as long as they thought they needed access to more money, then took all the Jews' property, prosecuted them for usery, or expelled them from the country. Another variation was simply declaring the Jews themselves property of the State.
...
Jew control the media
This one seems to come directly from The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. It was enhanced and reprinted by Ford in "The International Jew." Father Charles Coughlin used his enormous radio following to perpetrate these lies.
Claims that Jews run the media are common today. That alone might be a generalization based upon ownership and participation at a rate higher than the percentage of Jewish population. But "Jews control the media" is only the first half of the claim. The other half is "... and they use that control for their own evil ends."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/01/01/678869/-Dog-Whistles-an-Anti-Semitism-Primer-a-timely-repost
Can we please stop pretending that accusing Bernie Sanders of dual loyalty isn't anti-Semitic?
Diane Rehm made this mistake when she interviewed Bernie for NPR and later apologized for it.
Abe Foxman of ADL has this to say:
Diane Rehms questions were inappropriate, insensitive questioning without any minimal journalistic checking of claims. Such a statement is not only factually incorrect, but has no place in such an interview.
It is deeply troubling to think that a well-respected media outlet like NPR would apparently rely on unsubstantiated information from the Internet in its preparation for a guest.
Ms. Rehms description and follow-up question about whether other Senators have dual citizenship with Israel play into classic anti-Semitic charges of dual loyalty. Such charges have been leveled for centuries and have been a catalyst for scapegoating and vilifying Jews.
Senator Sanders deserves a public apology, as do NPR listeners.
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Her mistake was to not research it before she even stated it as fact. She shouldnt have asked the question, period. Had she researched it, she wouldnt have raised it at all. Because her question challenges not only his loyalty, but also Jewish loyalties to this country.
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The racist and anti-Semitic plays coming from Bernie haters are just a repeat of 2008 [View all]
Catherina
Sep 2015
OP
Twitter is where I found it today, people with long memories are going to make sure
Catherina
Sep 2015
#12
Let them keep doing it. People are too smart for this garbage now. The more they attack him the more
sabrina 1
Sep 2015
#138
It was obvious from early on where all this was coming from. Bernie just kept on telling the truth
sabrina 1
Sep 2015
#141
Thanks for kicking this, it's alway good to expose the Bernie haters for who the really are.
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#230
The posters who said those vile things do, you're just making excuses for them.
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#235
So you're still claiming that accusations of divided loyalty aren't anti-Semitic?
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#251
Why don't you tell that to the Jewish DUers who agreed with me and posted in my thread?
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#256
Straw man, red herring, guilt by association. You're on a roll tonight!
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#266
Because he's not a surrogate for anyone. And you didn't address my points.
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#272
Perhaps you can explain how Dr. West is a racist, you dodged that one last time.
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#278
I am talking about the silly claims on this board that the NPR is a surrogate for the Clinton campa
Gothmog
Sep 2015
#269
That's funny, upthread it sure looked like you were arguing that charges of dual loyalty aren't
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2015
#270
Who said that NPR and Diane Rehm are surrogates for the Clinton campaign?
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#271
I am several mailing lists and so I forward to a Texas Sanders supporter material when I get it
Gothmog
Sep 2015
#252
And you do not understand the basic membership idea behind this discussion forum.
applegrove
Sep 2015
#248
Do you? We don't need to get behind the Dem nominee until the primaries are over.
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#249
"I remember the 1972 election too well" and if it was still 1972, that experience might be relevant.
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2015
#261
Not saying you don't remember it. I'm saying it is as relevant to '16 as Herbert Hoover was to '72
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2015
#284
Kerry was doing great until Bin Ladin endorsed Bush four days before the eleciton
Gothmog
Sep 2015
#287
Euphamisms can be comprised of single words or phrases. Ergo, euphemisms ARE words.
DisgustipatedinCA
Sep 2015
#95
Oh, it could be a euphamism for any number of words, e.g., dissembled. nt
DisgustipatedinCA
Sep 2015
#132
And THAT's why it's a euphamism. It's a euphamism with a wink and a nod. nt
DisgustipatedinCA
Sep 2015
#142
Thanks, Aerows. I was wondering why I was having such a hard time reaching the site. nt
DisgustipatedinCA
Sep 2015
#113
I bet it was a second looie's idea and SgtMaj just rolled his eyes. "He'll learn."
sarge43
Sep 2015
#244
Ah. The jury alert setup. Can you at least articulate what you mean, beyond "wow"?
DisgustipatedinCA
Sep 2015
#154
Thanks. I can't browse to it. I see a WHOIS record, but when I do an nslookup, I get NXDOMAIN.
DisgustipatedinCA
Sep 2015
#112
No the thread where a poster said Bernie had a nest egg waiting for him in Israel.
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#153
Nice try but the comments about being funded by Israel were made at your website.
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#164
Alas, there aren't many open relays left on tcp/25 (and no MX record for the dead domain in question
DisgustipatedinCA
Sep 2015
#119
My son just came from door knocking in Springfield.....Fucking Ohio....the only state that matters.
sgtbenobo
Sep 2015
#282
Here's another piece of right-wing garbage posted by a Hillary Clinton supporter
davidpdx
Sep 2015
#191
And he's also not falling all over himself to help her get the nomination, is he?
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2015
#11
when she impugned his character and used others including her dudly husband to
roguevalley
Sep 2015
#96
O blocked her in '12. She'll run every 4 yrs. while there's a breath in her body.
Divernan
Sep 2015
#98
the Clintons were very powerful politically. Now he's pushing Biden to run.
magical thyme
Sep 2015
#66
If you are referring to an OP by a Hillary supporter which did not contain any reference of racists
Thinkingabout
Sep 2015
#4
All this wailing about "Bernie Haters" being "anti-Semitic" are just phony ploys to rile up....
George II
Sep 2015
#6
HOW is that "anti-Semitic"? And don't use one of your typical "you tell me" responses....
George II
Sep 2015
#21
How is saying that Bernie has a nest egg waiting for him in Israel anti-Semitic?
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#22
Suggesting he's funded by Israel (which is an accusation of dual loyalty) isn't anti-Semitic?
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#202
You want ME to explain something that isn't true? Sorry, it doesn't work that way.
George II
Sep 2015
#210
If you can't be bothered to read the information posted by Warren you don't want to know.
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#212
I doubt he'll be back now that I'm not the only one calling him out.
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#208
So where IS that claim of "dual loyalty" and, if it exists the context in which it was said?
George II
Sep 2015
#211
But you still haven't show us WHERE the anti-Semitic post/comment was. You're just going around...
George II
Sep 2015
#215
Yes, I did. And I'm going to keep explaining it, because you're wrong.
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2015
#220
It's kind of like how paid petroleum industry nabobs deal with global warming.
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2015
#223
Specific: Because Charges of "Dual Loyalty" are a well-known anti-semitic trope. That's how.
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2015
#27
Thank you. I have no patience for people who dismiss and ignore bigotry.
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#43
Like when Fox news tried to say the Charleston shooter was attacking Christians instead of blacks.
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#54
It's all a plot by cultists who stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that Hillary™ has WHAT VOTERS CRAVE
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2015
#18
Say, Georgie Porgie, ol' pal... you wouldn't be trying to goad people into a hide here, would you?
sibelian
Sep 2015
#207
The trifecta: anti-Semitic, uses racial slurs and calls Bernie a racist:
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#15
Asked and answered: "Please show me a CURRENT anti-semetic post...."
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#30
And here you go... (from a discussion board hosted by a DUer and populated
Luminous Animal
Sep 2015
#17
Moving the goalposts? You asked for an example of one POST and now you're dismissing it.
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#29
I'll leave that for other to decide. Your mockery of bigotry here is very telling.
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#55
Why are you laughing about racial slurs used by fellow HC supporters?
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#39
In real life my eldest daughter is jewish, my youngest daughter is athiest, my son is...
revmclaren
Sep 2015
#92
That's the same fucking post I gave you and this is what you said to me:
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#78
It's a good thing you don't care, and I'm not the only one who noticed your behaviour.
beam me up scottie
Sep 2015
#102
if real world friends were as unreliable and malicious as online "friends" I wouldn't want any
carolinayellowdog
Sep 2015
#73
Some people get cranky when you remind them it isn't you that did the mind-changing; it's them.
AtomicKitten
Sep 2015
#89
Couldn't be more obvious! Let them keep doing it, peole are not stupid nor do most of us suffer from
sabrina 1
Sep 2015
#136
The polling that I have seen show that Clinton is doing well with the Jewish vote
Gothmog
Sep 2015
#276