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bettyellen

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49. He was an absolute neophyte regarding how many are jailed for not paying fines these days.....

Tue Sep 29, 2015, 04:27 PM

Sep 2015

He was completely taken aback to hear it in a video I saw. He had to ask people to repeat it, and questioned whether it was true.
I appreciated his honesty, but it was discussed widely in the news after Ferguson, and he still had no clue. SO, I am glad he is listening and learning, but we can't pretend he already had a great grasp on the issues. Not when he thinks college is going to fix things for kids graduating college barely able to read and write.

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REBOOT: Bernie DID need to readjust and improve his message. So do we Bernie supporters. [View all] Bonobo Sep 2015 OP

He has a good racial justice platform now jfern Sep 2015 #1

Yes, that is almost exactly what I said in the OP. nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #3

He always had one, but he moved it WAY up on his list, thankfully n/t eridani Sep 2015 #16

I agree. Bernie got off to a weak start on racial issues Cheese Sandwich Sep 2015 #2

Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is exactly what's needed if Bernie pnwmom Sep 2015 #4

Criticizing the pope is now "constantly denigrating people of faith"? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #5

This is a good point. LWolf Sep 2015 #28

United we stand. Hortensis Sep 2015 #36

It takes two sides to stop being defensive, it takes 2 sides to start understanding. madfloridian Sep 2015 #6

So, is he supposed to call some of his aides "bro" now, and give fistbumps to them? Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #8

and you have the nerve to wonder why dsc Sep 2015 #22

Our 'Iran Strategy' seems to be entirely about 'face'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #27

Your subject line contains racial stereotypes and is deliberately offensive. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #40

I think at some point, one of those two sides needs to give something. Bonobo Sep 2015 #9

If I had been wrong, I would admit it. madfloridian Sep 2015 #13

Both your post and the OP are incredibly important and valid. TDale313 Sep 2015 #11

mad, yours is one of the best voices we have on issues questionseverything Sep 2015 #54

Though you may be right... madfloridian Sep 2015 #58

this primary is bound to be ugly questionseverything Sep 2015 #59

My take on this is different. TM99 Sep 2015 #7

I agree with everything you said AND I want to move forward. nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #10

Very nice post Art_from_Ark Sep 2015 #12

THIS. LWolf Sep 2015 #30

As an undecided, I salute your post DFW Sep 2015 #14

I get very uncomfortable with the "his views have been the same for 25 years" meme nxylas Sep 2015 #15

I don't feel the same. To me it is a sign of strength and conviction. Bonobo Sep 2015 #17

Hillary didn't change her mind about marriage equality until 2013. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #19

Ooops, much worse. I forgot. nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #21

But conviction doesn't have to equal stasis nxylas Sep 2015 #20

What you indicate is not stasis. Bonobo Sep 2015 #23

I *was* giving him credit for change nxylas Sep 2015 #24

All Bernie supporters should a take a cue from the man they support. mhatrw Sep 2015 #18

No thanks. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #29

He's a jerk if you are a corporate sellout. mhatrw Sep 2015 #46

+1 deutsey Sep 2015 #57

I do think it's important t drive home the point of the smear campaign the other Katashi_itto Sep 2015 #25

Were there people who knew about Bernie before the race who didn't know that? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #26

He seems to be really good at this, LWolf Sep 2015 #31

Good OP and there are several good supplemental posts on this thread as well. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #32

Yes, but his heart is obviously not in it. Only after multiple BLM debacles did he finally DanTex Sep 2015 #33

So Dan, you now know what is in another man's heart? TM99 Sep 2015 #35

In the case of Bernie, it's pretty clear. No need for personal attacks. DanTex Sep 2015 #37

Dan you always claim it is a personal attack TM99 Sep 2015 #38

Well, your last post contained an obvious personal attack. DanTex Sep 2015 #39

And yet you continually make them, especially against Bernie, who surely doesn't deserve it. Live and Learn Sep 2015 #61

Criticizing a politician is not a "personal attack". DanTex Sep 2015 #62

I disagree. Bonobo Sep 2015 #41

"without having much real world impact" for YOU. It's like you can't help but marginalize POC by bettyellen Sep 2015 #47

If we outlaw racial profiling and just as many POC are brutalized by the "justice system", mhatrw Sep 2015 #50

Also notice how it's good and OK for BS to "evolve" treestar Sep 2015 #43

evolve >> revolve mhatrw Sep 2015 #51

His heart isn't in it? How many progressives do you know who are mhatrw Sep 2015 #48

so what does that say about the 17 years of advocacy it took to get Hillary to support marriage Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #55

Speaking of BLM. Puglover Sep 2015 #63

This isn't a reboot. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #34

He was an absolute neophyte regarding how many are jailed for not paying fines these days..... bettyellen Sep 2015 #49

i saw that interview questionseverything Sep 2015 #53

Live, grow stronger, fight another day mythology Sep 2015 #42

Kick cyberswede Sep 2015 #44

Bernie moved social injustice to the front of his speeches, expanded on and made it more prominent. magical thyme Sep 2015 #45

that is how i see it questionseverything Sep 2015 #52

I agree 100%. nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #56

kick jfern Sep 2015 #60

kick again jfern Oct 2015 #64

Kicking. Agschmid Oct 2015 #65