2016 Postmortem

dorkzilla

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119. That protected list is just a fine whine...

Wed Sep 30, 2015, 06:42 AM

Sep 2015

...that won’t get better over time. They’ll be embarrassed by it in short order. Getting eaten up over this is silly. How about Hillary saying she was putting the White House “on notice” over TPP? At least Bernie shoots from the hip - nothing Hillary says (when she finally says it) isn’t measured and rehearsed...and in the end she always leaves herself an out so she can “evolve” again.

I don’t see anything Bernie said that wasn’t true. I think Obama is an idealist (as am I, admittedly though as a business person I am a complete pragmatist) and thought he would prevail, but had a lot of really greedy, really bad people around giving him bad advice. He should have completely cleaned house when he was sworn in.

You know how you can tell they’re desperate? They compared Bernie to Ted Cruz. Fucking unbelievable.

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Sanders: I won't be as na�ve as Obama was with Congress [View all] kpete Sep 2015 OP

Well, remember, if Obama had done what ANY white guy could have done, he would have randys1 Sep 2015 #1

I agree randys, Obama did have an additional psychological and sociological encumbrance. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #3

the OP is a lie. Sanders never called Obama "naive" uhnope Sep 2015 #164

I know Bernie didn't, he just said that Obama made a mistake. n/t Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #165

That is so true. But he has laid the ground work for us by jwirr Sep 2015 #4

Remember this? portlander23 Sep 2015 #5

the guy literally could not win dorkzilla Sep 2015 #17

then I guess all of the above roguevalley Sep 2015 #100

That protected list is just a fine whine... dorkzilla Sep 2015 #119

+1 whathehell Sep 2015 #161

He should not have cared what such morons said or thought. They don't think. We need to get over sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #102

"Make THEM fear those who are RIGHT. " /\_/\_This right here_/\_/\ Scuba Sep 2015 #118

He should have ignored their 'potential' branding AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #147

"Getting angry" wasn't an option, but pushing for chained CPI-E wasn't required. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #9

Better angry than chump. TheKentuckian Sep 2015 #11

He was branded a socialist communist Muslim Kenyan born terrorist Nazi jfern Sep 2015 #13

How do you know? highprincipleswork Sep 2015 #28

Amen. Snap the Turtle Sep 2015 #61

Yea, bernie will just wave his magic wand and Republicans will fall at his feet. leftofcool Sep 2015 #129

Have you noticed yet that you are the only one making that claim? jeff47 Sep 2015 #132

So there are only two possible paths? AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #148

Like I say, propaganda highprincipleswork Sep 2015 #163

I agree. n/t ms liberty Sep 2015 #29

I don't think any Democrat would have had an easy time getting anything done. EEO Sep 2015 #46

+1 eom Duval Sep 2015 #169

So he should have risked offending the Republicans and the right. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #49

Played it SAFE? randys1 Sep 2015 #159

Boosted charter schools; allowed banks to foreclose on Americans and then buy the properties JDPriestly Sep 2015 #162

You weren't supposed to notice any of that dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #171

The president started out with a democratic congress yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #81

Absolutely correct! leftofcool Sep 2015 #130

Obama was stuck on bipartisan dreams and kept pushing that whole trope to the point of Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #2

I think I know were he was coming from. My family is also jwirr Sep 2015 #6

Hey, even Rodney King asked "Can't we all just get along?" nt kelliekat44 Sep 2015 #72

Yes, hope that things will get better seems to be buried jwirr Sep 2015 #124

However, the answer, when faced by the drooling morons that make up the Republican LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #135

And he would punt on first down AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #93

obama enid602 Sep 2015 #7

Yes, I love how a guy who couldn't get anything passed in the senate now wants to tell Obama how its stevenleser Sep 2015 #8

What crap. bvf Sep 2015 #50

LOL, your own links prove it. Exactly one bill by each of them was enacted. All the rest have not stevenleser Sep 2015 #54

It proves your subject line is a pure lie. bvf Sep 2015 #59

Only if you use logic twisted into a Gordian knot. The two are ineffectual senators and your links stevenleser Sep 2015 #62

Well, if you can't explain your lies, bvf Sep 2015 #69

It's always a riot JackInGreen Sep 2015 #95

he offered the amendment that got us a one time in history fed audit questionseverything Sep 2015 #78

Yes. bvf Sep 2015 #92

And never, ever, ever admit to beign wrong LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #137

Sanders was amendment king in the House jfern Sep 2015 #107

Please tell us about all the bills that Hillary proposed and got passed in Congress. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #51

Nope, Fail. Bernie is the one claiming he can do better than Obama. None of the rest of what you stevenleser Sep 2015 #53

Bernie knows the members of Congress, Republicans and Democrats. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #60

And that familiarity has done nothing for Bernie but breed contempt. None of them support him. stevenleser Sep 2015 #65

Which explains why three of his bills bvf Sep 2015 #71

They will when he is president. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #77

Anyone could AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #150

i can live without "compromises" like the welfare "reform" questionseverything Sep 2015 #74

Yes. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #76

Ummm...that was with a Democratic Congress, duh. DebJ Sep 2015 #23

naive? enid602 Sep 2015 #36

+1, FDR had an 83% progressive congress and LBJ had a 71% progressive congress... progressive uponit7771 Sep 2015 #41

Are you sure about this? JDPriestly Sep 2015 #55

you're right enid602 Sep 2015 #67

+1, at some level that line Bernie is pushing is full of shit uponit7771 Sep 2015 #39

Ummm...he has been in Congress for decades. What has he done? Evergreen Emerald Sep 2015 #10

That's weird. I've not heard Bernie refer to himself as an 'outsider'. DebJ Sep 2015 #24

Have you NOT seen the picture of Sanders leading the 4 billion person march for Single Payer?!?!?!? uponit7771 Sep 2015 #40

stuff enid602 Sep 2015 #70

yeap, someone said he's captain obvious and that's what it looks like for now. Still think he'd be uponit7771 Sep 2015 #73

Congress.gov is available for you to paruse. jeff47 Sep 2015 #133

... progressoid Sep 2015 #158

Nobody forced him to give away the Public Option behind closed doors. He was either naive or he GoneFishin Sep 2015 #12

I believe that Lieberman was the one who helped kill that Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2015 #30

I was. But looking at recent rate hikes it looks like the rates are back up to about 60% of where GoneFishin Sep 2015 #79

Congress was on the cusp on approving it however Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2015 #173

He had no difficulty twisting Dennis Kucinich's arm to get what he wanted. That feigned impotence GoneFishin Oct 2015 #174

As far as ACA goes Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2015 #175

Single payer/public option was given away behind closed doors before the start, not near the end. GoneFishin Oct 2015 #176

he dropped it because it was clear it wouldnt pass. period. mopinko Sep 2015 #125

Uh-huh GoneFishin Sep 2015 #126

we had a good house bill,all we had to do was use reconciliation or the 50 vote threshold questionseverything Sep 2015 #149

So an ineffective Senator telling a Democratic President he shouldn't compromise. leftofcool Sep 2015 #14

Wrong and UNcool floriduck Sep 2015 #31

OK, but how will Bernie get legislation out of a GOP House book_worm Sep 2015 #15

Read the article. He has no idea himself. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #18

The bully pulpit thing is a non starter redstateblues Sep 2015 #32

Teddy Roosevelt used it quite successfully. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #57

The Republicans will cower I'm sure redstateblues Sep 2015 #86

The only way to do that is to give the American voters something to vote for. The Third Way, JDPriestly Sep 2015 #91

The Bully Pulpit is the only way to get things done AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #94

"Sanders didn't have a firm answer on how he would more successfully broker those deals." So.... bettyellen Sep 2015 #96

Those weren't deals AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #151

Well, he's gotten more bills/amendments passed through this Congress than any Democrat jeff47 Sep 2015 #134

How will Hillary get legislation out of the House? On what issue/votes are Republicans LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #138

Bernie is being polite Hydra Sep 2015 #16

yep. Phlem Sep 2015 #19

11 dimensional chess: lose 63 House seats so that your base jfern Sep 2015 #20

11-dimensional chess finally makes sense! nashville_brook Sep 2015 #25

I always posited that the people claiming 11th D chess Hydra Sep 2015 #27

...+1 840high Sep 2015 #35

actually the DNC was *relieved* when Brown took Massachusetts because with the Supermajority MisterP Sep 2015 #90

Yep. Pelosi, Reid, and BO twisted themselves into knots making excuses as to why single payer GoneFishin Sep 2015 #80

From his mouth to in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #21

keep the truth alive bernie AnAzulTexas Sep 2015 #22

So, what is his plan to not be "naive" with Congress? Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2015 #26

I want to see a plan to win back the state houses redstateblues Sep 2015 #34

The answer to your question is out there. floriduck Sep 2015 #37

Sanders will be mean and growl and revolt and snort and shit. Nothing, I've been asking for months.. uponit7771 Sep 2015 #43

How will Clinton deal with the gerrymandered Congress? LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #139

Sanders comes right out and tellls us what his plan is: JDPriestly Sep 2015 #58

cause GOP cares about "movements" really!? Also, when has Sanders ever done this!? I don't remember uponit7771 Sep 2015 #66

I agree that the Republicans need to be put out of office, and that is why I support Sanders JDPriestly Sep 2015 #75

The debates will help clarify their differences. Duval Sep 2015 #170

It's very simple AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #101

Obama was 2008's Jimmy Carter. gvstn Sep 2015 #33

He was too interested in his "Legacy" of being the person who united the Partisans Hydra Sep 2015 #89

I support Bernie but I thnk Obama will go down in history as a great President Live and Learn Sep 2015 #113

I agree. gvstn Sep 2015 #117

The main question Sanders and his supporters REFUSE to address .... uponit7771 Sep 2015 #38

How will any Dem President get anything done right now with.... yourout Sep 2015 #42

crickets. Phlem Sep 2015 #44

Crickets is what I hear from Sanders supporters on how in the hell is he going to do anything uponit7771 Sep 2015 #48

Whatever chief. Phlem Sep 2015 #52

I don't here from Sanders what you know, he's either not aware of how congress works or... uponit7771 Sep 2015 #56

Wow! Phlem Sep 2015 #63

Who is DWS? ... and Hillary isn't promising pink unicorns uponit7771 Sep 2015 #68

Pink unicorrns? Who asked for that? Live and Learn Sep 2015 #106

the people who say single payer was possible... uponit7771 Sep 2015 #120

So other countries have pink unicorns then? nt Live and Learn Sep 2015 #144

Who is DWS? Wow, you are either really naive, or not being sincere. nt Live and Learn Sep 2015 #114

More overt condescension, typical Sander supporter retort uponit7771 Sep 2015 #121

The Dallas Wind Symphony. bvf Sep 2015 #116

or I'll try not to live on DU with overtly condescending Bern victims who know what esoteric ... uponit7771 Sep 2015 #122

It would be way too easy to respond in kind bvf Sep 2015 #123

or Debates Were Silenced dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #172

Crickets is what we get because you won't answer what Hillary will accomplish LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #140

+1, I would love to take back those seats but don't see how it can happen with such a gerrymandered uponit7771 Sep 2015 #47

So a republican Congress will cooperate with Hillary? HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #85

Good. Obama let the Republicans punch him in the face for months over healthcare legislation. EEO Sep 2015 #45

hmm Truprogressive85 Sep 2015 #63

Does anyone really believe President Obama was naive in dealing with republicans? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #82

Would you prefer to believe he likes chained CPI for Social Security? (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #136

Why do "Democrats" pretend that was not a strategic move ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #145

It was a strategic move to compromise with Republicans. Who were not willing to compromise. jeff47 Sep 2015 #146

Did you read what I wrote? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #153

Yes. You're doing an excellent job rewriting history jeff47 Sep 2015 #154

Re-write history? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #156

Naive? Is this why Bernie has gotten so many bills passed in Congress? Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #83

Well this will get interesting. Autumn Sep 2015 #84

Very early on I had similar thoughts about Obama. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #87

All Presidents learn the hard way about limits BeyondGeography Sep 2015 #88

Keep talking, Sanders. Bashing Obama is a great way to get black voters. SunSeeker Sep 2015 #97

Hillary blamed Obama for the rise of ISIS. That can't be good for her. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #98

Your concern is duly noted. nt SunSeeker Sep 2015 #99

And yours is duly noted as hypocrisy. nt Live and Learn Sep 2015 #103

I have expressed no concern about Sanders bashing Obama. SunSeeker Sep 2015 #109

I see you proudly claim the dark-side. As so, it is no surprise you Live and Learn Sep 2015 #110

Keep pretending that was a bash. Live and Learn Sep 2015 #105

Obama had 24 working days of a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. SunSeeker Sep 2015 #108

Obama had the people on his side and he din't use it. Live and Learn Sep 2015 #111

Unfortunately, "the people" don't control Congress leftofcool Sep 2015 #127

Obama did a better job than I expected gwheezie Sep 2015 #104

Sure, go with Hillary then, WalMart board members are notorious for getting things done. Live and Learn Sep 2015 #112

We will and she will get thing done. leftofcool Sep 2015 #128

What things will she get done? Do tell, because it seems no Hillary supporter LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #141

Oh my did I compare Bernie to Hillary? gwheezie Sep 2015 #143

Don't think that Obama has been naive--he's just really, really interested in finding-- eridani Sep 2015 #115

A Bernie presidency would be a total failure and guarantee moobu2 Sep 2015 #131

But but but bully pulpit redstateblues Sep 2015 #142

You forgot the part about ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #155

Very good observation by Sanders. nt Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #152

"Naive Obama" zappaman Sep 2015 #157

Couldn't agree more. Vinca Sep 2015 #160

Sanders is right Blasphemer Sep 2015 #166

I agree. Maineman Sep 2015 #167

The late Bartcop said it all those years ago: DAngelo136 Sep 2015 #168